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Postby Syberis » Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:51 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
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So remember, instead of reporting that a bunch of fash were planning to do this, CCD decided to keep quiet and are now acting like they should be rewarded for that.

You know what we call people willing to stooge for fash?

Fascists or fascist sympathizers. I'm sure the CCD has plenty of both amongst their ranks.


Got it in one. Treat those who willingly and openly work with fash as such.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:56 am

Syberis wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Fascists or fascist sympathizers. I'm sure the CCD has plenty of both amongst their ranks.


Got it in one. Treat those who willingly and openly work with fash as such.

Oh trust me I will. Fascism is a disgusting ideology regardless of how many times it tries to reskin itself.

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Postby J o J » Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:00 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
ShrewLlamaLand wrote:Farkasfalka.

A bunch of real life nazis, congrats.


Those are mostly fascists, not Nazis.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:04 pm

J o J wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:A bunch of real life nazis, congrats.


Those are mostly fascists, not Nazis.

Most people in that region deny the holocaust and praise Hitler. I would say most in there are Nazis.

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Postby Transnista » Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:06 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
J o J wrote:
Those are mostly fascists, not Nazis.

Most people in that region deny the holocaust and praise Hitler. I would say most in there are Nazis.


Holy shit give me literally one example of that.

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Postby J o J » Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:09 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
J o J wrote:
Those are mostly fascists, not Nazis.

Most people in that region deny the holocaust and praise Hitler. I would say most in there are Nazis.


Most people? I have never seen any of that behavior from Farkafalka or their representatives. If you could "enlighten" me with some evidence I would be more than happy to redact my statement.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:11 pm

Transnista wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Most people in that region deny the holocaust and praise Hitler. I would say most in there are Nazis.


Holy shit give me literally one example of that.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=36297962
https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=35965860
https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=35808088
https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=35409644

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Postby Great Jenovah » Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:13 pm

BN, I do not use NS stats.

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Postby J o J » Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:18 pm



Save for that last post, none of those RMB messages support your claim. Just because somebody is quoting a historical figure, or they reference their material, that doesn't mean they praise them. If I go quote something from Joseph Stalin, that doesn't make me a Stalin Praiser or a communist, so it is not reasonable to do that against other individuals.

On that last post, one individual in the region denying the holocaust does not automatically make the entire region pro-Nazi, it only means the individual in question is clearly a fool.
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Postby Transnista » Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:18 pm



Ah my apologies. I thought you were claiming that we in the Confederation had these views. I could care less if nations we once associated with did.

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Postby Great Jenovah » Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:19 pm

J o J wrote:


Save for that last post, none of those RMB messages support your claim. Just because somebody is quoting a historical figure, or they reference their material, that doesn't mean they praise them. If I go quote something from Joseph Stalin, that doesn't make me a Stalin Praiser or a communist, so it is not reasonable to do that against other individuals.

On that last post, one individual in the region denying the holocaust does not automatically make the entire region pro-Nazi, it only means the individual in question is clearly a fool.

Yes, a single message does not make the region pro-nazi. However, the region did absolutely nothing to suppress the nazi views.
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Postby Kavagrad » Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:24 pm

Great Jenovah wrote:
J o J wrote:
Save for that last post, none of those RMB messages support your claim. Just because somebody is quoting a historical figure, or they reference their material, that doesn't mean they praise them. If I go quote something from Joseph Stalin, that doesn't make me a Stalin Praiser or a communist, so it is not reasonable to do that against other individuals.

On that last post, one individual in the region denying the holocaust does not automatically make the entire region pro-Nazi, it only means the individual in question is clearly a fool.

Yes, a single message does not make the region pro-nazi. However, the region did absolutely nothing to suppress the nazi views.

Of course they wouldn't. That last comment came from their Delegate.

But let's not pretend that J o J is here in good faith, given that he's the Founder of a fascist region that has embassies with Farkasfalka as well as Nazi Europa and the Coalition of National Socialists.

He's a fascist that is only here to defend fascists, don't waste any further time on him.
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Postby Xoriet » Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:27 pm

Lmao Kustonia. Try looking up “Jew” and “Jewish” on the Farkasfalka RMB and you’ll see plenty of fun stuff from that guy.
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Postby J o J » Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:28 pm

Great Jenovah wrote:
J o J wrote:
Save for that last post, none of those RMB messages support your claim. Just because somebody is quoting a historical figure, or they reference their material, that doesn't mean they praise them. If I go quote something from Joseph Stalin, that doesn't make me a Stalin Praiser or a communist, so it is not reasonable to do that against other individuals.

On that last post, one individual in the region denying the holocaust does not automatically make the entire region pro-Nazi, it only means the individual in question is clearly a fool.

Yes, a single message does not make the region pro-nazi. However, the region did absolutely nothing to suppress the nazi views.


You don't see opponents of FF like the leftists in ANTIFA or The Red Fleet suppressing their radicals and extremists, do you? They have members who run about saying things like "DEATH TO FASCISM" and "SHOOT ALL FASCISTS", and you never see the moderate leftists suppress those views, so we shouldn't be expecting Farkasfalka to suppress their radical members if the left isn't going to be held to the same standards.

But obviously they wouldn't suppress that anyways because the individual in question was their delegate.
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Postby Great Jenovah » Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:31 pm

J o J wrote:
Great Jenovah wrote:Yes, a single message does not make the region pro-nazi. However, the region did absolutely nothing to suppress the nazi views.


You don't see opponents of FF like the leftists in ANTIFA or The Red Fleet suppressing their radicals and extremists, do you? They have members who run about saying things like "DEATH TO FASCISM" and "SHOOT ALL FASCISTS", and you never see the moderate leftists suppress those views, so we shouldn't be expecting Farkasfalka to suppress their radical members if the left isn't going to be held to the same standards.

But obviously they wouldn't suppress that anyways because the individual in question was their delegate.

nazis don't deserve the right to express themselves.
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Postby J o J » Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:32 pm

Kavagrad wrote:
Great Jenovah wrote:Yes, a single message does not make the region pro-nazi. However, the region did absolutely nothing to suppress the nazi views.

Of course they wouldn't. That last comment came from their Delegate.

But let's not pretend that J o J is here in good faith, given that he's the Founder of a fascist region that has embassies with Farkasfalka as well as Nazi Europa and the Coalition of National Socialists.

He's a fascist that is only here to defend fascists, don't waste any further time on him.


I see you recognize "democracy" as synonymous with "fascism". I see you checked out my region but failed to do any basic preliminary searching to notice that most of the members of the region in question aren't even fascist. This is some quality content right here.
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Postby J o J » Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:33 pm

Great Jenovah wrote:
J o J wrote:
You don't see opponents of FF like the leftists in ANTIFA or The Red Fleet suppressing their radicals and extremists, do you? They have members who run about saying things like "DEATH TO FASCISM" and "SHOOT ALL FASCISTS", and you never see the moderate leftists suppress those views, so we shouldn't be expecting Farkasfalka to suppress their radical members if the left isn't going to be held to the same standards.

But obviously they wouldn't suppress that anyways because the individual in question was their delegate.

nazis don't deserve the right to express themselves.


Neither do people who support Stalinism or Maoist communism, which killed dozens of millions MORE than Nazism.
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Postby Great Jenovah » Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:34 pm

J o J wrote:
Great Jenovah wrote:nazis don't deserve the right to express themselves.


Neither do people who support Stalinism or Maoist communism, which killed dozens of millions MORE than Nazism.

what does stalinism and maoism have to do with nazi regions? this is not about comparing which ideology has caused more damage.
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Postby Kavagrad » Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:35 pm

J o J wrote:
Great Jenovah wrote:nazis don't deserve the right to express themselves.


Neither do people who support Stalinism or Maoist communism, which killed dozens of millions MORE than Nazism.

This isn't NSG, fascist.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:38 pm

Great Jenovah wrote:
J o J wrote:
Save for that last post, none of those RMB messages support your claim. Just because somebody is quoting a historical figure, or they reference their material, that doesn't mean they praise them. If I go quote something from Joseph Stalin, that doesn't make me a Stalin Praiser or a communist, so it is not reasonable to do that against other individuals.

On that last post, one individual in the region denying the holocaust does not automatically make the entire region pro-Nazi, it only means the individual in question is clearly a fool.

Yes, a single message does not make the region pro-nazi. However, the region did absolutely nothing to suppress the nazi views.

Many of those messages were also posted by government officials.

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:39 pm

J o J wrote:


Save for that last post, none of those RMB messages support your claim. Just because somebody is quoting a historical figure, or they reference their material, that doesn't mean they praise them. If I go quote something from Joseph Stalin, that doesn't make me a Stalin Praiser or a communist, so it is not reasonable to do that against other individuals.

On that last post, one individual in the region denying the holocaust does not automatically make the entire region pro-Nazi, it only means the individual in question is clearly a fool.

The first post is talking about a favorite quote, so he certainly isn't just quoting for reference. Another praises a pro-Nazi source. This ain't innocent quoting.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:42 pm

J o J wrote:
Great Jenovah wrote:nazis don't deserve the right to express themselves.


Neither do people who support Stalinism or Maoist communism, which killed dozens of millions MORE than Nazism.

I hold equal contempt for those ideologies, but they aren't the topic or related to this thread.

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Postby J o J » Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:44 pm

Great Jenovah wrote:
J o J wrote:
Neither do people who support Stalinism or Maoist communism, which killed dozens of millions MORE than Nazism.

what does stalinism and maoism have to do with nazi regions? this is not about comparing which ideology has caused more damage.


You replied to my post about how if we aren't going to suppress radical leftists, like Stalinists and Maoists, then we shouldn't be suppressing Nazis and NatSocs. That is what it has to do with this argument, because we are talking about it. You then said Nazis do not deserve the right to express themselves, and I reminded you that Stalinists and Maoists do not deserve that either.
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Postby J o J » Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:46 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
J o J wrote:
Neither do people who support Stalinism or Maoist communism, which killed dozens of millions MORE than Nazism.

I hold equal contempt for those ideologies, but they aren't the topic or related to this thread.


We got off the topic of this thread when we started talking about Farkasfalka and RMB posts made within their jurisdiction.
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Postby Great Jenovah » Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:52 pm

J o J wrote:
Great Jenovah wrote:what does stalinism and maoism have to do with nazi regions? this is not about comparing which ideology has caused more damage.


You replied to my post about how if we aren't going to suppress radical leftists, like Stalinists and Maoists, then we shouldn't be suppressing Nazis and NatSocs. That is what it has to do with this argument, because we are talking about it. You then said Nazis do not deserve the right to express themselves, and I reminded you that Stalinists and Maoists do not deserve that either.

so why not suppress all three?
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