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Postby Wayneactia » Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:28 am

Strong words, too bad there isn't any real substance there. You can say you are stepping back all you want, but as long as you remain the active founder with sole executive authority nothing will change.

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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:59 am

Wayneactia wrote:Strong words, too bad there isn't any real substance there. You can say you are stepping back all you want, but as long as you remain the active founder with sole executive authority nothing will change.

Indeed. Mere window dressing.
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Postby Boda » Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:46 am

Jocospor wrote:
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I am leaving this thread locked overnight. When I re-open it tomorrow, I expect the debate to return to the topic of this thread: the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators.


And what a topic that is!

If you haven't already, please consult the January Statement by Viceroy Murdoch Kellner, who has returned from his sabbatical early to oversee the Confederation's constitutional reforms.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1311093

Is this OOC or IC? I don't think people be liking just IC apologizes
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Postby Francois Isidore » Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:06 am

Here’s what’s interesting: Jocospor always makes posts that indicate what’s in-character and what’s out-of-character, and yet, when it comes to the administration of his region, he seems to be unable to distinguish the two. I would believe the IC apology being given, but then both the natives of the Confederation and I would both be being spoon fed lies. Maybe, just maybe they do want to change and have finally learned the error of their ways. For all intents and purposes, this is highly unlikely, but if that were to be the case then I’d expect a clearer line drawn and I’d want to see some OOC reform accompanying this supposed IC reform. Currently, that is not happening.
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Postby Kafair » Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:01 am

Francois Isidore wrote:Here’s what’s interesting: Jocospor always makes posts that indicate what’s in-character and what’s out-of-character, and yet, when it comes to the administration of his region, he seems to be unable to distinguish the two. I would believe the IC apology being given, but then both the natives of the Confederation and I would both be being spoon fed lies. Maybe, just maybe they do want to change and have finally learned the error of their ways. For all intents and purposes, this is highly unlikely, but if that were to be the case then I’d expect a clearer line drawn and I’d want to see some OOC reform accompanying this supposed IC reform. Currently, that is not happening.


Be patient my friend. According to Joco, Shrew, and just about everyone else, come the 1st of February, plenty of change will be arriving to the CCD. Once that happened, you can then make your opinion.
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Postby Great Jenovah » Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:10 am

Kafair wrote:
Francois Isidore wrote:Here’s what’s interesting: Jocospor always makes posts that indicate what’s in-character and what’s out-of-character, and yet, when it comes to the administration of his region, he seems to be unable to distinguish the two. I would believe the IC apology being given, but then both the natives of the Confederation and I would both be being spoon fed lies. Maybe, just maybe they do want to change and have finally learned the error of their ways. For all intents and purposes, this is highly unlikely, but if that were to be the case then I’d expect a clearer line drawn and I’d want to see some OOC reform accompanying this supposed IC reform. Currently, that is not happening.


Be patient my friend. According to Joco, Shrew, and just about everyone else, come the 1st of February, plenty of change will be arriving to the CCD. Once that happened, you can then make your opinion.

That was about as convincing as the other 4,000 times the CCD has promised change.
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Postby Darcania » Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:15 am

CCD always muddles the IC/OOC waters, whether out of incompetence or malice. It's why they still defend their OOC fascists with "it's just IC", because it also benefits their government to muddle the waters like that.

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Postby South Reinkalistan » Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:40 pm

OOC: I'm with Kafair on this one. I can understand the scepticism, but let's all calm and wait for February 1st, when all the reforms will be ready. It'd be a much calmer and less nerve-wracking process for everyone ^-^

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Postby Great Jenovah » Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:47 pm

South Reinkalistan wrote:OOC: I'm with Kafair on this one. I can understand the scepticism, but let's all calm and wait for February 1st, when all the reforms will be ready. It'd be a much calmer and less nerve-wracking process for everyone ^-^

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Postby The Chuck » Mon Jan 27, 2020 2:00 pm

It'll be interesting to see the changes that are had within the CCD. However as long as Jocospor stands at the helm of the CCD, there can be no true lasting changes unfortunately. This is a good start but honestly a new region of CCD members without Jocospor as the lead would definitely be better in general.

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Postby Francois Isidore » Mon Jan 27, 2020 2:35 pm

Kafair wrote:
Francois Isidore wrote:Here’s what’s interesting: Jocospor always makes posts that indicate what’s in-character and what’s out-of-character, and yet, when it comes to the administration of his region, he seems to be unable to distinguish the two. I would believe the IC apology being given, but then both the natives of the Confederation and I would both be being spoon fed lies. Maybe, just maybe they do want to change and have finally learned the error of their ways. For all intents and purposes, this is highly unlikely, but if that were to be the case then I’d expect a clearer line drawn and I’d want to see some OOC reform accompanying this supposed IC reform. Currently, that is not happening.


Be patient my friend. According to Joco, Shrew, and just about everyone else, come the 1st of February, plenty of change will be arriving to the CCD. Once that happened, you can then make your opinion.

Fair enough. I’ll humour you, and I’ll wait till 1 February. Upon such day, I’ll post back here with my opinion. I don’t deny that there can be steps in the right direction, but whether that right direction won’t veer off to the same chicanery is another matter entirely
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Postby Latrovia » Mon Jan 27, 2020 2:36 pm

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Postby Yokiria » Mon Jan 27, 2020 7:26 pm

Kafair wrote:Be patient my friend. According to Joco, Shrew, and just about everyone else, come the 1st of February, plenty of change will be arriving to the CCD. Once that happened, you can then make your opinion.


Here's my opinion for February 2nd. Make sure not to unwrap it until then:
This is just a bunch of pitiful, surface-level "change" that does nothing to actually change CCD. It's obviously just a stunt intended to give off the appearance of action. These "reforms" will only fool new players, but hey, maybe that's the point.
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Postby Marxist Germany » Tue Jan 28, 2020 4:30 am

No sane region would ever give up the security of an executive founder to appease others. So I am not sure why people want Joco to go non-exec for the sake of it.
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Postby Honeydewistania » Tue Jan 28, 2020 4:42 am

This is not a sane region
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Postby Xoriet » Tue Jan 28, 2020 5:31 am

Marxist Germany wrote:No sane region would ever give up the security of an executive founder to appease others. So I am not sure why people want Joco to go non-exec for the sake of it.

An executive founder can’t disable their executive power. The entire thing is an intellectual exercise.
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Postby The Gilded Star » Tue Jan 28, 2020 8:13 am

Marxist Germany wrote:No sane region would ever give up the security of an executive founder to appease others. So I am not sure why people want Joco to go non-exec for the sake of it.


It wouldn't be in the interest of appeasing others, it'd be in the interest of members of CCD that are unhappy with the current state their region is in and want to change it for the better, for themselves. That change won't happen if the guy at the top of the hierarchy isn't on board with it, period.

However, it's up to question whether any CCD residents besides a select few have issue with the problems rooted in Jocospor's leadership, or if they're actually on board with it. Given how Jocospor seems to protect or turn a blind eye towards people of certain ideologies, I'm assuming a not insignificant number of them have flocked to and reside in the region now.

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Postby South Reinkalistan » Tue Jan 28, 2020 8:40 am

Xoriet wrote:
Marxist Germany wrote:No sane region would ever give up the security of an executive founder to appease others. So I am not sure why people want Joco to go non-exec for the sake of it.

An executive founder can’t disable their executive power. The entire thing is an intellectual exercise.

OOC: Which begs the question - why are you all still attacking Joco's changes because he's an executive founder when he cannot disable said executive authority?

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Postby Yokiria » Tue Jan 28, 2020 8:49 am

South Reinkalistan wrote:
Xoriet wrote:An executive founder can’t disable their executive power. The entire thing is an intellectual exercise.

OOC: Which begs the question - why are you all still attacking Joco's changes because he's an executive founder when he cannot disable said executive authority?


You really can't figure that out for yourself?

The region is fucked and it can't be fixed. The CCD's only chance at real reform is to create a new region with a different founder and move everyone there. Name it "New Confederation of Corrupt Dictactors", or "Confederation of Corrupt Dictators 2", it doesn't matter what it is as long as Joco isn't the one with executive founder privileges.
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Postby The Chuck » Tue Jan 28, 2020 10:13 pm

Jocospor, Supreme Council, Members of the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators, and members of the greater NationStates Community.

I had hoped to wait and see if these "reforms" would be real. Unfortunately my dear friends of 2nd Imperial German Reich, Kafair, and Castelia were revealed by Krvava Koupel. It's a sad day indeed but we all were prepared for this eventuality.

Many people wonder why my vendetta with the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators started. It actually started the day I learned of a chat channel called "Meeting-Room-1". This chat room was established around the time right after Jocospor posted his "The Right and NationStates". It was established because Jocospor invited high ranking members of Farkasfalka and other Alt-Right regions within the game to partake in OOC talks. When I obtained administrator I was able to see into this channel and Farkasfalka leadership brought up materials regarding the potential doxxing of Reploid Productions (yes, that Reppy). While Jocospor did not lend his explicit support for this plot, he continued to engage with them after they presented it with full awareness of their proposal. I didn't speak up loud enough at the time and decided to repeatedly remind him that he had to be careful of it as time went on (dumb on my part). However the more I sat on it, the more it ate at my mind. I did go out of my way to file a GHR a few months ago however it was declined since it was a bit hard to read from the staff prospective. I took it that they weren't interested and moved on from it. However recently I learned that they hadn't fully understood what I meant so I refiled a GHR and continued on with my path. I don't expect much to come from these GHRs but I figured since a much beloved NS Staff member was at the core of the issue that I would still file it for the staffs' awareness of these ongoing issues.

Jocospor & I discussing Meeting-Room-1/The Doxxing (To large to post direct):

https://i.imgur.com/dW7lyKB.png

https://i.imgur.com/E9mKAnj.png

A few weeks back, Castelia was talking with our small group and the nation of Depackya (2nd in Command of the CCD and acting Viceroy at the time) was clear cut and admitted to the deletion of the chat rooms where these OOC talks with other Alt-Right region leaderships occurred.

https://i.imgur.com/UrE6618.jpg

Tonight my friends were kicked out of the Confederation for seeking the truth and Depackya took it upon himself to brag a bit. While bragging, he again admitted to all this taking place.

https://i.imgur.com/K1g4oxE.png

Although you are correct Depackya, NS Staff don't react on offsite issues but the NS Community sure as shootin will be interested to learn about this.

To the members of the Confederation. Many of you probably never knew that Jocospor, the target of a minor doxxing attempt himself, would stoop so low as to engage willfully in talks in which a plot to doxx site staff was discussed. I wouldn't expect any of you to know about this unless you were the handful of players who reached out to me to learn the truth and for that, I am thankful that you took it upon yourself to learn the truth and to at least give an open ear and listen. Sure some of you turned your back but hey, at least you tried and that takes some balls.

When I first heard that the TNP-CCD issue caused enough imbalance that there were going to be reforms, I was actually interested but so long as Jocospor possesses leadership of the region, I doubt we will see real hard reform that can't simply be wiped away in an hour. I would encourage members within the CCD to at least let their voices be heard on this matter and not silenced.




On a more personal note, I have been waiting for this moment for some time because I can finally open up about my least proud moment as CCD Administrator. During my time as Administrator, the nations of Scherzinger and The Barefoot Anime Girls resided within the CCD and I became introduced to both of them. As time passed, I misread the situation and thought that Scherzinger and Barefoot Anime Girls were one and the same when they weren't and thought that they might be a liability due to some stuff that was said. As such I informed Jocospor of my worries and we took it to the Moderator Closet chat where we discussed it with the other Supreme Council members and staged a fake thing where I was made out to take the fall for the ejection of Scherzinger and Barefoot Anime Girls. Instead of manning up and sticking with you two and offering help, I took the cowards way out, labeled you two liabilities and helped set up your ejection. For that I would like to sincerely apologize to both of you and I hope that you have found a better home in The Pacific.

Jocospor's RMB post about Scherzinger & Barefoot: https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=35793802

I will write more on these subjects and others tomorrow but until then, I await the response from the CCD leadership.

Ta, ta.

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Postby Yokiria » Tue Jan 28, 2020 10:56 pm

Disappointing, frustrating, outrageous, and unsurprising.

To the edgelords and Wehraboos in CCD: Get out of there while you still can. You're being manipulated by a few players in power, and they're going to bring you all down with them.
You're going to end up being the right-wing version of The Communist Bloc, with Jocospor as your Zenny.
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Postby British Norklon » Tue Jan 28, 2020 11:40 pm

Yokiria wrote:Disappointing, frustrating, outrageous, and unsurprising.

To the edgelords and Wehraboos in CCD: Get out of there while you still can. You're being manipulated by a few players in power, and they're going to bring you all down with them.
You're going to end up being the right-wing version of The Communist Bloc, with Jocospor as your Zenny.


And if you happen to be a true believer? well then you deserve to go down with the sinking ship known as CCD
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