Confederation of Corrupt Dictators: Ultimate Gameplay Thread

[Numero Capitan]

In fairness, Riakou is probably as well placed as anyone in the region to enact the changes needed, provided Jocospor stays well away from the process. I don't see CCD running elections for delegate any time soon.

[TURTLESHROOM II]

Why do people assume this group is fascist? I agree that Embassies with Nazi Europe is stupid, but people don't seem to get a simple message.

Hate has no ideology. Corruption has no ideology. Authoritarianism isn't limited to one worldview or economic theory. An institution called the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators means its members are, IC-wise, corrupt in the governmental and political sense. It means they are authoritarian and reject plebiscites and democratic elections.

If it's honest, CCD will welcome any dictatorship, be they Marxist/of the proletariat, fascist, Pinochet-style, or Juche. It sounds like the greater NS community is mad that a region who likely has men that are in favor, on an OOC basis, of "bad" or "wrong" ideas. I'm not talking Hitler. Or maybe they slighted one of the powers that be and they are exacting vengeance.

Indeed, I am curious about the claim that CCD did something to one of the Pacific junk Regions and why it matters. The Pacific Regions receive all newly spawned nations. Whatever goes on in there means nothing. It's like Osiris and Rejected Realms. They are game mechanics that exist as generic catch-all.

[Morover]

In fairness, Riakou is probably as well placed as anyone in the region to enact the changes needed, provided Jocospor stays well away from the process. I don't see CCD running elections for delegate any time soon.

I agree completely. The part that worries me, however, is that little "(non-executive)" tag right next to the delegate's name.

[Kafair]

Your edit says everything. What you and others don't seem to understand is that the only changes that can possibly stick are those changes that Jocospor wants. As the founder, he is the ultimate authority on every affair in the region, and any changes that he doesn't want will never happen, no matter how much "power" he gives to his bootlickers.

If Jocospor leaves or CTEs, then CCD has room to potentially change. But he's still in charge as the top executive where the same policies and practices continue.

There is one issue with that. Joco CTE's or leaves, and, while I am no authority on raiding, I assume the sharks that have been circling with pounce. The CCD will become a trophy. We dont have time for change, though I dont know much on raiding or how long it takes

[The New California Republic]

In fairness, Riakou is probably as well placed as anyone in the region to enact the changes needed, provided Jocospor stays well away from the process. I don't see CCD running elections for delegate any time soon.

I agree completely. The part that worries me, however, is that little "(non-executive)" tag right next to the delegate's name.

Yup. If Joco was serious about it then he'd give Riakou executive powers. Keeping the delegate on a short leash doesn't really lend much confidence to the assertion that CCD is serious about reform.

[Outer Sparta]

If Jocospor leaves or CTEs, then CCD has room to potentially change. But he's still in charge as the top executive where the same policies and practices continue.

There is one issue with that. Joco CTE's or leaves, and, while I am no authority on raiding, I assume the sharks that have been circling with pounce. The CCD will become a trophy. We dont have time for change, though I dont know much on raiding or how long it takes

You can have a successor that actually implements changes to CCD.

[Transnista]

I think that for people who believe in democracy, you're very pessimistic about change and growth.

[Darcania]

There is one issue with that. Joco CTE's or leaves, and, while I am no authority on raiding, I assume the sharks that have been circling with pounce. The CCD will become a trophy. We dont have time for change, though I dont know much on raiding or how long it takes

I can't speak for everyone, but I do happen to be a High Command officer in TNP's army (the NPA). If CCD honestly works to completely reform their government, enough to completely remove Jocospor from his position of authority, and puts forth a public statement to that matter, I would personally ensure that the NPA would not "all pile in" while the new government works to reform the region.
Of course, that depends on if the new government actually works for reform. Preferably, that public statement would include a plan for their reformation, which includes removing Jocospor from power, severing all ties to fascist regions, purging their membership of fascist members and other individuals professing hateful ideologies, and instituting rules pertaining to how to keep fascist/communist/<ideology> dictatorships IC. For the last matter, Prydania's own lecture on RPing fascism (which he has done before, mind) could be useful: https://forum.thenorthpacific.org/topic/9191065/

[Transnista]

There is one issue with that. Joco CTE's or leaves, and, while I am no authority on raiding, I assume the sharks that have been circling with pounce. The CCD will become a trophy. We dont have time for change, though I dont know much on raiding or how long it takes

I can't speak for everyone, but I do happen to be a High Command officer in TNP's army (the NPA). If CCD honestly works to completely reform their government, enough to completely remove Jocospor from his position of authority, and puts forth a public statement to that matter, I would personally ensure that the NPA would not "all pile in" while the new government works to reform the region.
Of course, that depends on if the new government actually works for reform. Preferably, that public statement would include a plan for their reformation, which includes removing Jocospor from power, severing all ties to fascist regions, purging their membership of fascist members and other individuals professing hateful ideologies, and instituting rules pertaining to how to keep fascist/communist/<ideology> dictatorships IC. For the last matter, Prydania's own lecture on RPing fascism (which he has done before, mind) could be useful: https://forum.thenorthpacific.org/topic/9191065/

The question is, would you be willing to extend the same courtesy if we were able to implement changes like these WITHOUT removing Jocospor? The thing about our emperor is, we ARE a dictatorship, and our strength comes from our central leader. If he is removed, the stability that defines our region is threatened. Now in my opinion, and with a pretty extensive knowledge of the history of the region as well as a close relationship with Joco myself, I believe he (and we) could change without his removal.

Also thank you for that article, it is very good.

[The New California Republic]

I can't speak for everyone, but I do happen to be a High Command officer in TNP's army (the NPA). If CCD honestly works to completely reform their government, enough to completely remove Jocospor from his position of authority, and puts forth a public statement to that matter, I would personally ensure that the NPA would not "all pile in" while the new government works to reform the region.
Of course, that depends on if the new government actually works for reform. Preferably, that public statement would include a plan for their reformation, which includes removing Jocospor from power, severing all ties to fascist regions, purging their membership of fascist members and other individuals professing hateful ideologies, and instituting rules pertaining to how to keep fascist/communist/<ideology> dictatorships IC. For the last matter, Prydania's own lecture on RPing fascism (which he has done before, mind) could be useful: https://forum.thenorthpacific.org/topic/9191065/

The question is, would you be willing to extend the same courtesy if we were able to implement changes like these WITHOUT removing Jocospor? The thing about our emperor is, we ARE a dictatorship, and our strength comes from our central leader.

Strength? Joco made the CCD into a total laughing stock with the utter ineptitude of the actions against TNP, as well as the "invisible scripts" nonsense.

[Transnista]

The question is, would you be willing to extend the same courtesy if we were able to implement changes like these WITHOUT removing Jocospor? The thing about our emperor is, we ARE a dictatorship, and our strength comes from our central leader.

Strength? Joco made the CCD into a total laughing stock with the utter ineptitude of the actions against TNP, as well as the "invisible scripts" nonsense.

Strength within the region, not in international relations.

[Darcania]

The question is, would you be willing to extend the same courtesy if we were able to implement changes like these WITHOUT removing Jocospor? The thing about our emperor is, we ARE a dictatorship, and our strength comes from our central leader. If he is removed, the stability that defines our region is threatened. Now in my opinion, and with a pretty extensive knowledge of the history of the region as well as a close relationship with Joco myself, I believe he (and we) could change without his removal.

Also thank you for that article, it is very good.

Well, that doesn't matter, frankly. While you have an active founder, you can't be effectively raided.

But, in the hypothetical that you could be raided while keeping Jocospor in power... my answer is no. Jocospor has had a myriad of chances to take the high road and accept personal responsibility. Frankly, he never will. I don't believe for a second that he would ever truly change, only give out meaningless apologies, blame others, and continue to hide behind his foundership of his region. Frankly, if CCD as a region is unwilling to implement the single most important change, that of changing power from old hands to new, I have no faith that they will implement any other changes at all, nor that any changes they do implement will ever stick under the watchful eye of Jocospor.

[The New California Republic]

Strength? Joco made the CCD into a total laughing stock with the utter ineptitude of the actions against TNP, as well as the "invisible scripts" nonsense.

Strength within the region, not in international relations.

You seriously believe Joco's recent actions have made your region stronger internally? Oh please.

[Transnista]

The question is, would you be willing to extend the same courtesy if we were able to implement changes like these WITHOUT removing Jocospor? The thing about our emperor is, we ARE a dictatorship, and our strength comes from our central leader. If he is removed, the stability that defines our region is threatened. Now in my opinion, and with a pretty extensive knowledge of the history of the region as well as a close relationship with Joco myself, I believe he (and we) could change without his removal.

Also thank you for that article, it is very good.

Well, that doesn't matter, frankly. While you have an active founder, you can't be effectively raided.

But, in the hypothetical that you could be raided while keeping Jocospor in power... my answer is no. Jocospor has had a myriad of chances to take the high road and accept personal responsibility. Frankly, he never will. I don't believe for a second that he would ever truly change, only give out meaningless apologies, blame others, and continue to hide behind his foundership of his region. Frankly, if CCD as a region is unwilling to implement the single most important change, that of changing power from old hands to new, I have no faith that they will implement any other changes at all, nor that any changes they do implement will ever stick under the watchful eye of Jocospor.

The CCD as a region, even if it wanted to, couldn't remove Jocospor.

EDIT: And I personally wouldn't want them to. I consider Jocospor a friend.

[Darcania]

The CCD as a region, even if it wanted to, couldn't remove Jocospor.

EDIT: And I personally wouldn't want them to. I consider Jocospor a friend.

Then you should accept that there never will be change in your region.

[Transnista]

Strength within the region, not in international relations.

You seriously believe Joco's recent actions have made your region stronger internally? Oh please.

First of all, the "recent actions" you speak of are an operation that was set into motions nearly a year ago, and a comment that actually had nothing to do with Joco himself. The idea of a hidden bot or invisible script, as you so often like to meme about, where actually an idea proposed by a few of us investigating the intelligence leak, and were due to a coincidence that seemed too unlikely. Turns out, German was the spy, and it was a coincidence. With my personal history when it comes to coding, btw, I guarantee that it is not actually impossible to build a script that gathers intelligence from a Discord server. Against TOS, sure. But not impossible, especially considering Discord's history regarding security. Obviously I overestimated the prowess of our enemies.

Secondly, the actions themselves are not what makes us stronger internally. It is the knowledge that there is an absolute power that everyone must bow to, which moderates the amount of jockeying and general tomfoolery that goes on (like, you know, the mods here on the forums, who do a fantastic job.)

[The New California Republic]

You seriously believe Joco's recent actions have made your region stronger internally? Oh please.

First of all, the "recent actions" you speak of are an operation that was set into motions nearly a year ago

An operation that had been ongoing. So still recent. When it started is of little concern if it was still in motion until recently.

The idea of a hidden bot or invisible script, as you so often like to meme about, where actually an idea proposed by a few of us investigating the intelligence leak, and were due to a coincidence that seemed too unlikely. Turns out, German was the spy, and it was a coincidence. With my personal history when it comes to coding, btw, I guarantee that it is not actually impossible to build a script that gathers intelligence from a Discord server. Against TOS, sure. But not impossible, especially considering Discord's history regarding security. Obviously I overestimated the prowess of our enemies.

No. It was a ridiculous assertion that an invisible script was behind it when there was no evidence of it. Joco was just jumping at shadows.

Secondly, the actions themselves are not what makes us stronger internally. It is the knowledge that there is an absolute power that everyone must bow to, which moderates the amount of jockeying and general tomfoolery that goes on (like, you know, the mods here on the forums, who do a fantastic job.)

And that absolute power has had their credibility seriously undermined. It just isn't possible to compartmentalise it as much as you seem to think.

[The Gilded Star]

I think that for people who believe in democracy, you're very pessimistic about change and growth.

I can very confidently say from past experiences that meaningful change can't actually happen if the very Founder causing the problems doesn't want the change and won't step aside to stop being an obstacle to the change.

It basically limits you to two options and neither one is fun: either learn to accept the status quo set by the leader, or figure out how to move forward without them.

[Great Jenovah]

Why do people assume this group is fascist? I agree that Embassies with Nazi Europe is stupid, but people don't seem to get a simple message.

Hate has no ideology. Corruption has no ideology. Authoritarianism isn't limited to one worldview or economic theory. An institution called the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators means its members are, IC-wise, corrupt in the governmental and political sense. It means they are authoritarian and reject plebiscites and democratic elections.

If it's honest, CCD will welcome any dictatorship, be they Marxist/of the proletariat, fascist, Pinochet-style, or Juche. It sounds like the greater NS community is mad that a region who likely has men that are in favor, on an OOC basis, of "bad" or "wrong" ideas. I'm not talking Hitler. Or maybe they slighted one of the powers that be and they are exacting vengeance.

Indeed, I am curious about the claim that CCD did something to one of the Pacific junk Regions and why it matters. The Pacific Regions receive all newly spawned nations. Whatever goes on in there means nothing. It's like Osiris and Rejected Realms. They are game mechanics that exist as generic catch-all.

From Chuck

"a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual (Hail the Confederation) and that stands for a centralized autocratic government (GA, etc.) headed by a dictatorial leader (Jocospor), severe economic (Inquisitor being in charge of taxes, etc.) and social regimentation (different tiers of the govt.), and forcible suppression of opposition (going after German for being a whistle blower).

Check, Check, Check, Check..."

Also, the CCD attempted to coup the Pacific "Junk" Regions. That's why it matters.

[Konar]

Why do people assume this group is fascist? I agree that Embassies with Nazi Europe is stupid, but people don't seem to get a simple message.

Hate has no ideology. Corruption has no ideology. Authoritarianism isn't limited to one worldview or economic theory. An institution called the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators means its members are, IC-wise, corrupt in the governmental and political sense. It means they are authoritarian and reject plebiscites and democratic elections.

If it's honest, CCD will welcome any dictatorship, be they Marxist/of the proletariat, fascist, Pinochet-style, or Juche. It sounds like the greater NS community is mad that a region who likely has men that are in favor, on an OOC basis, of "bad" or "wrong" ideas. I'm not talking Hitler. Or maybe they slighted one of the powers that be and they are exacting vengeance.

Indeed, I am curious about the claim that CCD did something to one of the Pacific junk Regions and why it matters. The Pacific Regions receive all newly spawned nations. Whatever goes on in there means nothing. It's like Osiris and Rejected Realms. They are game mechanics that exist as generic catch-all.

Multiple CCD members have been proven as fascist. However, despite this, CCD's SC have not taken any actions to remove them.

Also, the Pacifics are not merely "junk" regions. We each have our own governments and laws, and wield considerable influence in the game. What CCD did was attempt (poorly at that) to coup The North Pacific, which by the way they have admitted to.

[Krvava Koupel]

Why do people assume this group is fascist? I agree that Embassies with Nazi Europe is stupid, but people don't seem to get a simple message.

Hate has no ideology. Corruption has no ideology. Authoritarianism isn't limited to one worldview or economic theory. An institution called the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators means its members are, IC-wise, corrupt in the governmental and political sense. It means they are authoritarian and reject plebiscites and democratic elections.

If it's honest, CCD will welcome any dictatorship, be they Marxist/of the proletariat, fascist, Pinochet-style, or Juche. It sounds like the greater NS community is mad that a region who likely has men that are in favor, on an OOC basis, of "bad" or "wrong" ideas. I'm not talking Hitler. Or maybe they slighted one of the powers that be and they are exacting vengeance.

Indeed, I am curious about the claim that CCD did something to one of the Pacific junk Regions and why it matters. The Pacific Regions receive all newly spawned nations. Whatever goes on in there means nothing. It's like Osiris and Rejected Realms. They are game mechanics that exist as generic catch-all.

Multiple CCD members have been proven as fascist. However, despite this, CCD's SC have not taken any actions to remove them.

Also, the Pacifics are not merely "junk" regions. We each have our own governments and laws, and wield considerable influence in the game. What CCD did was attempt (poorly at that) to coup The North Pacific, which by the way they have admitted to.

To be fair, you guys didn’t realize the coup was happening for a whole year. That’s not exactly a poor attempt. It isn’t a good attempt but it isn’t a bad attempt.
Please not I am in no way defending the coup. I had no part in it and frankly condemn the actions.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

Multiple CCD members have been proven as fascist. However, despite this, CCD's SC have not taken any actions to remove them.

Also, the Pacifics are not merely "junk" regions. We each have our own governments and laws, and wield considerable influence in the game. What CCD did was attempt (poorly at that) to coup The North Pacific, which by the way they have admitted to.

To be fair, you guys didn’t realize the coup was happening for a whole year. That’s not exactly a poor attempt. It isn’t a good attempt but it isn’t a bad attempt.
Please not I am in no way defending the coup. I had no part in it and frankly condemn the actions.

I'm not sure how they would notice it if the coup was being completely ineffectual.

[McMasterdonia]

Multiple CCD members have been proven as fascist. However, despite this, CCD's SC have not taken any actions to remove them.

Also, the Pacifics are not merely "junk" regions. We each have our own governments and laws, and wield considerable influence in the game. What CCD did was attempt (poorly at that) to coup The North Pacific, which by the way they have admitted to.

To be fair, you guys didn’t realize the coup was happening for a whole year. That’s not exactly a poor attempt. It isn’t a good attempt but it isn’t a bad attempt.
Please not I am in no way defending the coup. I had no part in it and frankly condemn the actions.

That isn’t true. I suggest you re-read the report that we released. We believed that IKEA Rike was a spy from the very beginning when he stupidly posted an embassy request with CCD the day the operation began. Not only that but he demanded the embassy request in our discord channel. I was MoFA at that time and denied it.

We simply didn’t have the comprehensive evidence of the operations channel until later. There was also no need to out him - it was more interesting seeing what might happen and the power of our roleplay that distracted him from his basic task. Artemizistan was flagged as a security risk as well for unrelated reasons and that operation didn’t get very far either. Nevertheless, a good government and an effective government shows their hand when the timing is most opportune and the information most extensive. Again something CCD would clearly have no idea about.

Finally a real coup would have had the nation at 800+ endorsements at least. They failed to even get beyond 500. They would have been aggressively pursuing opportunities for advancement and trying to win us over. They didn’t advance beyond the most junior of positions that accessed information that was as secure and private as our regional message board. Barely anyone had interacted with those nations or even remembered them. While the attempt may have been laughably bad, it was and is still categorically wrong for CCD to have taken this act of aggression against us.

[Honeydewistania]

Multiple CCD members have been proven as fascist. However, despite this, CCD's SC have not taken any actions to remove them.

Also, the Pacifics are not merely "junk" regions. We each have our own governments and laws, and wield considerable influence in the game. What CCD did was attempt (poorly at that) to coup The North Pacific, which by the way they have admitted to.

To be fair, you guys didn’t realize the coup was happening for a whole year. That’s not exactly a poor attempt. It isn’t a good attempt but it isn’t a bad attempt.
Please not I am in no way defending the coup. I had no part in it and frankly condemn the actions.

They said they suspected it for a Long time

[Xoriet]

Multiple CCD members have been proven as fascist. However, despite this, CCD's SC have not taken any actions to remove them.

Also, the Pacifics are not merely "junk" regions. We each have our own governments and laws, and wield considerable influence in the game. What CCD did was attempt (poorly at that) to coup The North Pacific, which by the way they have admitted to.

To be fair, you guys didn’t realize the coup was happening for a whole year. That’s not exactly a poor attempt. It isn’t a good attempt but it isn’t a bad attempt.
Please not I am in no way defending the coup. I had no part in it and frankly condemn the actions.

No, it wasn't a "not bad" attempt. The one guy who was still involved was too devoted to IKEA RP to remember what he was supposed to do failed to do a multitude of important tasks to your goal. No intel was obtained. No real positions achieved. Nothing of value that could give your region even a slight advantage in their battle to get TNP.

Some recent-ish examples are:

Scardino/Fedele took a year to get into the Delegacy, where he proceeded to coup (badly), but he was in high government for a lot of that time and strong in the direct trust of the Delegate of the time.

The NPO and the FRA were ruling Lazarus together but NPO had the upper hand and were able to coup easily when the time came. Most of the PRL Delegates were in some way affiliated with NPO, so it could have happened at any time. Neither of these are examples of ideal results, but they sure were in places to ensure that they could get what they wanted.

Feux and his friends got to the Guardianship of Osiris and had access to a lot of information and held notable influence despite never achieving the Delegacy itself. They were only outed years after it was over, and because they trusted the wrong person.

Multiple other infiltrations in the past have led to Delegacy, some never did but yielded strong results anyway, and many of those were examples of excellence versus mediocrity.

As long as you can't say you achieved anything from it, whether that was real information or an agenda, it was bad.