Confederation of Corrupt Dictators: Ultimate Gameplay Thread

[WayNeacTia]

Looks like a coup to me.

Even if it is though, the only "result" is that the folks behind this get shuffled around between seats. It changes nothing, as Joco is still in control. Window dressing, that's all that it is.

I was editing my post when you responded. See above.

[Boda]

Hey. Can y’all just leave your government to talk and not just ordinary citizens. We want to speak with the people who actually do know CCD and not just possible puppets, and not in the NS terms.

FYI me and Krvava are influential in "our government," not to mention talking to people is actually my government job, as the Minister for Political Communications.

Ok. I’ll rephrase
“If you have an actual government job (like ur an RO) then you please talk instead of using guerilla warfare.”

[Prydania]

Shrew if I am not mistaken was a prominent member of Nazi Europe for quite a while were they not?

Were they? Amazing.

[The New California Republic]

Even if it is though, the only "result" is that the folks behind this get shuffled around between seats. It changes nothing, as Joco is still in control. Window dressing, that's all that it is.

I was editing my post when you responded. See above.

The only way that serious changes would happen is if Joco CTE'd and a new WA delegate with real powers was appointed, someone who isn't currently in the leadership and can admit that the way the CCD has operated thus far has caused problems and has a strategy for tackling it. That person isn't Shrew. Shrew has repeatedly denied that the embassies with Nazi and fascist regions are a problem, and has also authored several self-commend attempts in the WA.

[WayNeacTia]

Shrew if I am not mistaken was a prominent member of Nazi Europe for quite a while were they not?

Were they? Amazing.

I can't confirm it because the wayback machine has only parsed them once and it was in 2017 when they were a member of the CCD, so I may be thinking of someone else. If so, I do apologize.

I was editing my post when you responded. See above.

The only way that serious changes would happen is if Joco CTE'd and a new WA delegate with real powers was appointed, someone who isn't currently in the leadership and can admit that the way the CCD has operated thus far has caused problems and has a strategy for tackling it. That person isn't Shrew. Shrew has repeatedly denied that the embassies with Nazi and fascist regions are a problem, and has also authored several self-commend attempts in the WA.

That is probably why I was thinking of them. So yeah, not exactly a glowing replacement for Joco.

[Brobespierre]

If nothing else, it was very fun to see Jocospor lose a little face.

[Morover]

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Over 24 hours ago, I received this telegram from Shrewllamaland. In all honesty, I took this with a grain of salt since it's most likely a load of bullshit that Shrew and Jocospor attempted to cook up to get close to me so that I might fuck up and reveal my alts. However, in case this was actually true and it was a case at redemption, I don't need your help Shrew. You're as dirty if not more dirty than Jocospor in matters within the confederation. I still remember what Jocospor said all those months ago about how you're the brains of the Confederation.

On another note, you better step up your understanding of how to coup properly if you want to pull this off Jocospor.

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https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=37428618
https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=37429230

Perhaps its just me, but we're certainly receiving mixed signals as to the "falling out irl" in these RMB posts. The entire thing just seems a little... fabricated?

I know everyone already knows this is fabricated but just figured I'd give definitive evidence as to that fact.

[Prydania]

https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=37428618
https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=37429230

Perhaps its just me, but we're certainly receiving mixed signals as to the "falling out irl" in these RMB posts. The entire thing just seems a little... fabricated?

I know everyone already knows this is fabricated but just figured I'd give definitive evidence as to that fact.

I think "Operation Seismic Toss" was nothing more than a contingency to save as much face as possible in the event that NS as a whole finally had enough of them.
It closes the embassies, it supposedly removes Joco from a position of authority, it offers up an apology (that refuses to apologize for the fascism and Nazism, I might add). All without actually addressing the issues at hand. Joco offering a "woe is me, I've mismanaged things" post is all part of the script.

It would also fit in with the CCD leadership's way of doing things; try to wiggle out of wrongdoing without actually addressing the issues everyone has with them.

Of course Joco's cult of personality is so ingrained in everyone there that Shrew had to give the (poorly concealed) game away by assuring the panicked citizenry that nothing was actually changing.

In short? CCD was smart enough to realize eventually they might piss off NS as a whole to the point where there was no coming back, and created a contingency to fake apologize.

The fact is there's only two ways the CCD reforms. Either Joco CTEs and the region is refounded by someone who understands real change needs to has a plan to do it or Joco grows up and matures.
Short of that? Any CCDers hoping for change are best served going elsewhere.

[Regna Loreau]

OOC: 'Blatant Fascism'

Sigh

That said, I do believe wholeheartedly in the apology issued. I've come to realise that a lot of regions have done questionable things, and the Confederation is no exception - more so than most, in fact. But let's hope for mutual prosperity in the future. I see no need for this much hostility. I cannot speak for what the Confederation was like when you were a member, Rossiyaana, but I sure as hell can say that there's very little OOC fascism now.

Oh? Very little OOC fascism... Including Regna Loreau's comment today about wanting a Fascist Australia?

Yeah I fucking saw that too

Alright, you've brought me into this. This was made at 4 am, so right off the bat, I wasn't in the right state of mind, somewhat exuberant by the fact that I had more than a little.. judgement impairing drinks. Second off, I went on to IMMEDIATELY correct myself, that is what the 'wel' was alluding to. The follow up line was 'More like an authoritarian regime'. I do love how you've once again edited screenshots to make things look even worse than they are.

As for your little talk on the 'Up close and Personal' podcast, there were good reasons for the ccd to be disgruntled with you, like making up rules to punish people by but... Eh, you're just gonna say that my word means nothing. As for your so lovely comments about me, I'd like to note that I am FORCED to remove roles of players to mute them when they break the server rules. Who set up this system? Oh that would be you

I do not support fascism in any way, and this, like rein said, was said in a somewhat jesting way out of the ccd server. A server which you have no right to know anything in chuck, so could you kindly bugger off.

[Prydania]

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Alright, you've brought me into this.

You brought yourself into it by declaring support for fascism.

was said in a somewhat jesting way out of the ccd server. A server which you have no right to know anything in chuck, so could you kindly bugger off.

Does it matter where it was said? How does where it was said excuse what was said?

I do not support fascism in any way...

There's literally a screenshot of you supporting fascism in Australia.

'More like an authoritarian regime'

So much difference

This was made at 4 am, so right off the bat, I wasn't in the right state of mind, somewhat exuberant by the fact that I had more than a little.. judgement impairing drinks.

More excuses.
Krava had the decency to apologize for a statement where they said Adolf Hitler was a "cool leader."
Follow your region-mate, own up to your mistake, and apologize.

[Outer Sparta]

Oh? Very little OOC fascism... Including Regna Loreau's comment today about wanting a Fascist Australia?

Yeah I fucking saw that too

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Alright, you've brought me into this. This was made at 4 am, so right off the bat, I wasn't in the right state of mind, somewhat exuberant by the fact that I had more than a little.. judgement impairing drinks. Second off, I went on to IMMEDIATELY correct myself, that is what the 'wel' was alluding to. The follow up line was 'More like an authoritarian regime'. I do love how you've once again edited screenshots to make things look even worse than they are.

As for your little talk on the 'Up close and Personal' podcast, there were good reasons for the ccd to be disgruntled with you, like making up rules to punish people by but... Eh, you're just gonna say that my word means nothing. As for your so lovely comments about me, I'd like to note that I am FORCED to remove roles of players to mute them when they break the server rules. Who set up this system? Oh that would be you

I do not support fascism in any way, and this, like rein said, was said in a somewhat jesting way out of the ccd server. A server which you have no right to know anything in chuck, so could you kindly bugger off.

Why are you forbidding others to post Discord screenshots? The authoritarian tendencies of the CCD are rooted into their DNA. Besides, judgement impairing drinks and not in the right state of mind shouldn't be excuses to downplay these comments.

[The Gilded Star]

I'm sure there's a very specific reason why CCD has like 5138474 instances of pro-fascist/nazi/etc. comments and needs 5138474 different excuses of why it's not actually what it looks like, while just about any other (non-fascist) region we could draw at random out of a hat would have nearly if not exactly 0 instances of the same problem.

But no, the next time someone in CCD spouts "hail hortler" or something, I'm sure it's not indicative of any sort of prevalent pattern with CCD and is simply a cat walking across the keyboard and just coincidentally spelling something coherent and controversial. Could've happened to anyone, really.

[Outer Sparta]

I'm sure there's a very specific reason why CCD has like 5138474 instances of pro-fascist/nazi/etc. comments and needs 5138474 different excuses of why it's not actually what it looks like, while just about any other (non-fascist) region we could draw at random out of a hat would have nearly if not exactly 0 instances of the same problem.

But no, the next time someone in CCD spouts "hail hortler" or something, I'm sure it's not indicative of any sort of prevalent pattern with CCD and is simply a cat walking across the keyboard and just coincidentally spelling something coherent and controversial. Could've happened to anyone, really.

So far their responses to their fascism are IC, RP, and invisible scripts.

[Gagium]

Krvava also said:

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Damn, the invisible script strikes again!

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/ ... gagium.PNG

Please stop trying to spread screenshots of someone impersonating me making racist comments.

https://imgur.com/cVjl9oC
https://imgur.com/SroL2SJ
https://imgur.com/j3Q4h5r
https://imgur.com/SdBPBU6

[Strobemark]

Pry. I've seen multiple prominent TNPers proclaim support for the far left. What the hell is wrong with CCD members having their own opinions? Maybe unlike TNP's leftist government they value free speech. Be more level-headed, stop preaching, stop witch-hunting fascists, and learn to relax a little.

Disclaimer: Personally I am not a fascist. You can believe that or not, I don't care.

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

Pry. I've seen multiple prominent TNPers proclaim support for the far left.

Our Minister of Foreign Affairs is a card carrying republican. Many of our most prominent members are from the centre or the right. No one, to my knowledge of TNP, which is probably quite a bit larger than yours, who is prominent in TNP seems to support extreme far left movements.

Maybe unlike TNP's leftist government

How can an NS government be left or right?

they value free speech. Be more level-headed, stop preaching, stop witch-hunting fascists, and learn to relax a little..

Psst, it's not a witch hunt if there's actually witches.

[Prydania]

Pry. I've seen multiple prominent TNPers proclaim support for the far left. What the hell is wrong with CCD members having their own opinions? Maybe unlike TNP's leftist government they value free speech. Be more level-headed, stop preaching, stop witch-hunting fascists, and learn to relax a little.

Disclaimer: Personally I am not a fascist. You can believe that or not, I don't care.

Free speech as a defence for fascism is rich.

[Brobespierre]

Pry. I've seen multiple prominent TNPers proclaim support for the far left. What the hell is wrong with CCD members having their own opinions? Maybe unlike TNP's leftist government they value free speech. Be more level-headed, stop preaching, stop witch-hunting fascists, and learn to relax a little.

Disclaimer: Personally I am not a fascist. You can believe that or not, I don't care.

Free speech as a defence for fascism is rich.

Its particularly funny to see, since it isn't a violation of, or even a harm to, free speech to criticize another's speech in basically any western legal system that I know.

[Strobemark]

Pry. I've seen multiple prominent TNPers proclaim support for the far left.

Our Minister of Foreign Affairs is a card carrying republican. Many of our most prominent members are from the centre or the right. No one, to my knowledge of TNP, which is probably quite a bit larger than yours, who is prominent in TNP seems to support extreme far left movements.

Maybe unlike TNP's leftist government

How can an NS government be left or right?

they value free speech. Be more level-headed, stop preaching, stop witch-hunting fascists, and learn to relax a little..

Psst, it's not a witch hunt if there's actually witches.

I mean when I was in TNP a former delegate kept trying to debate me on the fact that I support Trump, bringing it up at completely random times and trying to soil my fledgling reputation by using his own developed one as a counterweight. I was also called a white-centric fascist for having a Western (yes, white Christian) worldview. I'm a damned bigot, I know, MJ! So in my experience, yes, TNP stands as a bastion of leftist anarchism and tyranny.

How can any government be right or left? Maybe you'll lose the title of "radical leftist" if you let people have free speech.

And TNP has its fair share of witches. :thonk:

Pry. I've seen multiple prominent TNPers proclaim support for the far left. What the hell is wrong with CCD members having their own opinions? Maybe unlike TNP's leftist government they value free speech. Be more level-headed, stop preaching, stop witch-hunting fascists, and learn to relax a little.

Disclaimer: Personally I am not a fascist. You can believe that or not, I don't care.

Free speech as a defence for fascism is rich.

>Implying that I was defending fascism. Bruh moment. Don't twist my words, Pry, you know that's not what I was saying at all. Believing in free speech =/= being a fascist. It's the exact opposite, in fact. Fascists and leftists are one and the same on free speech, they despise it. As conservatives do not. Therefore leftism is fascism, and vice versa.

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

Our Minister of Foreign Affairs is a card carrying republican. Many of our most prominent members are from the centre or the right. No one, to my knowledge of TNP, which is probably quite a bit larger than yours, who is prominent in TNP seems to support extreme far left movements.

How can an NS government be left or right?
Psst, it's not a witch hunt if there's actually witches.

I mean when I was in TNP a former delegate kept trying to debate me on the fact that I support Trump, bringing it up at completely random times and trying to soil my fledgling reputation by using his own developed one as a counterweight. I was also called a white-centric fascist for having a Western (yes, white Christian) worldview. I'm a damned bigot, I know, MJ! So in my experience, yes, TNP stands as a bastion of leftist anarchism and tyranny.

Sorry, who were you in TNP?

[Prydania]

>Implying that I was defending fascism. Bruh moment. Don't twist my words, Pry, you know that's not what I was saying at all.

I don't know you at all, or if I do you're hiding behind an alt. Though even if you don't know me, you're sure acting like you do.
Regardless, if anyone is twisting anyone's words it's you to me. You accused me of "witch hunting fascists" despite the fact that I was responding to people who have been outed as supporting fascism. That's not a witch hunt. At all.

[Lyrical International Brigade]

>Implying that I was defending fascism. Bruh moment. Don't twist my words, Pry, you know that's not what I was saying at all. Believing in free speech =/= being a fascist. It's the exact opposite, in fact. Fascists and leftists are one and the same on free speech, they despise it. As conservatives do not. Therefore leftism is fascism, and vice versa.

In my experience two kinds of people on NS equate fascism with "the far left" in this manner. CCD... and literal OOC RL fascists. Even the heirs-of-REATO, "freedom"-loving, uber-capitalist, commie-hating libertarians know their stuff better than that. If you use the same talking points as Bunicken and TIC do when they get hit by Antifa (e.g. "you guys are the real nazis!!!!!!111!1!!!!! all we want is free speech!!!!!!!!"), chances are people are gonna lump you in with them.

Not everything that quacks is a duck... but if you hear something quacking, the smart money says "mallard."

[Strobemark]

I mean when I was in TNP a former delegate kept trying to debate me on the fact that I support Trump, bringing it up at completely random times and trying to soil my fledgling reputation by using his own developed one as a counterweight. I was also called a white-centric fascist for having a Western (yes, white Christian) worldview. I'm a damned bigot, I know, MJ! So in my experience, yes, TNP stands as a bastion of leftist anarchism and tyranny.

Sorry, who were you in TNP?

Kirina

>Implying that I was defending fascism. Bruh moment. Don't twist my words, Pry, you know that's not what I was saying at all.

I don't know you at all, or if I do you're hiding behind an alt. Though even if you don't, you're sure acting like you do.
Regardless, if anyone is twisting anyone's words it's you to me. You accused me of "witch hunting fascists" despite the fact that I was responding to people who have been outed as supporting fascism. That's not a witch hunt. At all.

So what if they support fascism, that's their concern, not yours. You don't need to "out" them. Their region is finished, there's no need to rub it into the faces of individual members who are already seeing their entire NS world collapsing around them.

[Outer Sparta]

Pry. I've seen multiple prominent TNPers proclaim support for the far left. What the hell is wrong with CCD members having their own opinions? Maybe unlike TNP's leftist government they value free speech. Be more level-headed, stop preaching, stop witch-hunting fascists, and learn to relax a little.

Disclaimer: Personally I am not a fascist. You can believe that or not, I don't care.

So anything a millimeter to the left to fascism is considered far-left?

[Llorens]

Pry. I've seen multiple prominent TNPers proclaim support for the far left. What the hell is wrong with CCD members having their own opinions? Maybe unlike TNP's leftist government they value free speech. Be more level-headed, stop preaching, stop witch-hunting fascists, and learn to relax a little.

Disclaimer: Personally I am not a fascist. You can believe that or not, I don't care.

While CCD was trying to infiltrate TNP, the communists had already seized power! Crazy.