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Jocospor
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Postby Jocospor » Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:26 pm

Tim-Opolis wrote:If you really want GP's conflict with your region to be resolved, stop logging in to the founder account and we'll happily take care of the rest once it CTEs :)

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Postby Tim-Opolis » Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:55 pm

Jocospor wrote:
Tim-Opolis wrote:If you really want GP's conflict with your region to be resolved, stop logging in to the founder account and we'll happily take care of the rest once it CTEs :)

Awwww poor widdle Timmy, but no can do, sowwie! Have a choccy instead, kiddo, it'll take the pain away.

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Postby The Church of Satan » Sat Mar 02, 2019 1:03 am

I've never cared about CCD being fascist. The only issue I've ever had with the region is that they aren't willing to earn the accolades they think they are entitled to. You guys don't want to put in the work to earn a commendation. You simply demand it and expect the world at large to just give it to you.
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Postby Castelia » Sat Mar 02, 2019 1:57 am

Honeydewistania wrote:The fact that they are voluntarily being fascist and support fascists while being in a fascist region just goes to show that they support fascism by themselves, not enforced on by Jocospor.


Hey, I take offense to that, sir. Roleplaying as fascist does not necessarily mean supporting fascism.

I do see how you get easily confused, what with the blind hatred and all. :)
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Postby Reploid Productions » Sat Mar 02, 2019 1:57 am

Jocospor wrote:
Tim-Opolis wrote:If you really want GP's conflict with your region to be resolved, stop logging in to the founder account and we'll happily take care of the rest once it CTEs :)

Awwww poor widdle Timmy, but no can do, sowwie! Have a choccy instead, kiddo, it'll take the pain away.

A little less flamebait in the snark please, you can counter-snark at Tim without the belittling "poor widdle kid" routine.
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Postby Honeydewistania » Sat Mar 02, 2019 2:42 am

Castelia wrote:
Honeydewistania wrote:The fact that they are voluntarily being fascist and support fascists while being in a fascist region just goes to show that they support fascism by themselves, not enforced on by Jocospor.


Hey, I take offense to that, sir. Roleplaying as fascist does not necessarily mean supporting fascism.

I do see how you get easily confused, what with the blind hatred and all. :)

Right. And you're the one who accepts embassy requests from Augusto Pinochet and Nazi Europa?
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Postby Castelia » Sat Mar 02, 2019 2:53 am

Honeydewistania wrote:Right. And you're the one who accepts embassy requests from Augusto Pinochet and Nazi Europa?


Those embassies were already there before I even took power, sir.
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Postby Anarchic Turkish States » Sat Mar 02, 2019 3:47 am

Castelia wrote:
Honeydewistania wrote:Right. And you're the one who accepts embassy requests from Augusto Pinochet and Nazi Europa?


Those embassies were already there before I even took power, sir.

Augusto Pinochet was raided one month ago, almost a month after you took charge.
Plus you constructed embassies with:
Teutonic Empire
Teutonic League
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Postby Castelia » Sat Mar 02, 2019 4:34 am

Anarchic Turkish States wrote:Augusto Pinochet was raided one month ago, almost a month after you took charge.
Plus you constructed embassies with:
Teutonic Empire
Teutonic League
Nobody Likes A Commie
Holy Empires of Christian Despots


As far as I know, Augusto Pinochet's embassy with CCD was there before I took charge.

The others, yes, I did construct embassies with them.

Just a professional doing his job, I assure you. I do as asked, following given protocols and orders. If my boss, in this case Jocospor, asked me to shut down embassies with fascists and construct embassies with democracies, I would in a heartbeat.

Of course, I do not personally condone fascism in any way IRL. All I do here is for roleplay. If I were to transfer to a Commie region, hell, I'd fully embrace roleplaying as a Communist!
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Postby RiderSyl » Sat Mar 02, 2019 6:36 am

Castelia wrote:Just a professional doing his job, I assure you. I do as asked, following given protocols and orders.


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Postby Jocospor » Sat Mar 02, 2019 6:44 am

Reploid Productions wrote:
Jocospor wrote:Awwww poor widdle Timmy, but no can do, sowwie! Have a choccy instead, kiddo, it'll take the pain away.

A little less flamebait in the snark please, you can counter-snark at Tim without the belittling "poor widdle kid" routine.

OOC: Ah yes, the classic "poor widdle kid" (misquoted, by the way) is more offensive than "ur a fascist xD".

Apologies. I take your meaning; no more snark.
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Postby RiderSyl » Sat Mar 02, 2019 6:55 am

Jocospor wrote:
Reploid Productions wrote:A little less flamebait in the snark please, you can counter-snark at Tim without the belittling "poor widdle kid" routine.

OOC: Ah yes, the classic "poor widdle kid" (misquoted, by the way) is more offensive than "ur a fascist xD".


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Postby Malphe » Sat Mar 02, 2019 7:15 am

RiderSyl wrote:
Jocospor wrote:OOC: Ah yes, the classic "poor widdle kid" (misquoted, by the way) is more offensive than "ur a fascist xD".


Why argue it when you weren't warned? Relax.

Joco just likes being deliberately abrasive. Kinda his gimmick.
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Postby Kurnugia » Sat Mar 02, 2019 7:41 am

Jocospor wrote:
Reploid Productions wrote:A little less flamebait in the snark please, you can counter-snark at Tim without the belittling "poor widdle kid" routine.

OOC: Ah yes, the classic "poor widdle kid" (misquoted, by the way) is more offensive than "ur a fascist xD".

Apologies. I take your meaning; no more snark.

Considering you came out of your way to embrace that far right label, it's more than fair game to say that you are.
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Postby Castelia » Sat Mar 02, 2019 8:05 am

RiderSyl wrote:Befehl ist Befehl, ja?


I mean, it's not as if I'm being ordered to exterminate races or murder in cold blood. So yeah.
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Postby The Tri State Area and Maine » Sat Mar 02, 2019 8:21 am

Castelia wrote:
Anarchic Turkish States wrote:Augusto Pinochet was raided one month ago, almost a month after you took charge.
Plus you constructed embassies with:
Teutonic Empire
Teutonic League
Nobody Likes A Commie
Holy Empires of Christian Despots


As far as I know, Augusto Pinochet's embassy with CCD was there before I took charge.

The others, yes, I did construct embassies with them.

Just a professional doing his job, I assure you. I do as asked, following given protocols and orders. If my boss, in this case Jocospor, asked me to shut down embassies with fascists and construct embassies with democracies, I would in a heartbeat.

Of course, I do not personally condone fascism in any way IRL. All I do here is for roleplay. If I were to transfer to a Commie region, hell, I'd fully embrace roleplaying as a Communist!

I think a lot of people significantly underestimate how common this is.

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Postby Kaystein » Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:26 am

Why not prohibit participation in this thing called "gameplay" if a player promotes or condones fascism? Clearly define somewhere visible on this board what constitutes fascism, according to the standards of the "gaameplay" constituents in Nationstates..
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby The New California Republic » Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:20 am

Jocospor wrote:Regarding embassies: we continue to investigate our embassies on a case by case basis in the hope of ascertaining various truths.

"Ascertain various truths"? Like whether Nazi Europa is a Nazi region or not? Oh fucking please, Jocospor, stop taking the piss. :roll:
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Postby The Order of the Holy Inquisitors » Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:22 am

I think an especially potent problem for regions like the CCD is how the line in the sand between IC and OOC becomes blurred. Left-wing regions don't experience this issue as much, and I'd say that's primarily due to the lack of connections to distinctly genocidal cult-like nations from the past. (Yes, I know that communism has brought suffering to 10s of millions at least, but it doesn't necessarily have horrors like racial superiority and associated genocides attached to it.)

My nation, "The Order", is a hyperzealous Catholic state resembling a caliphate. Yet IRL I'm a social liberal and fiscal conservative. The issue here is to find which nations are just "dictator-ing" because it's fun and they can, and which are actually IRL fascists. I don't think that total cession of relations with any and all regions that resemble right wing ideologies like fascism is reasonable, as many are just that because it's enjoyable to RP, and not to promote actual nazism. To punish those who are just there to enjoy this site just seems wrong to me.

I'd certainly look forward to discussion with the whole NS community to effectively determine which regions are for IRL fascists, and which are just for RP. I'd like to see the CCD, if not liked (because that's probably unrealistic at this point), at least respected by the international community, and I think that would be a good next step.

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Postby Honeydewistania » Sat Mar 02, 2019 7:24 pm

Jocospor wrote:
Reploid Productions wrote:A little less flamebait in the snark please, you can counter-snark at Tim without the belittling "poor widdle kid" routine.

OOC: Ah yes, the classic "poor widdle kid" (misquoted, by the way) is more offensive than "ur a fascist xD".

Apologies. I take your meaning; no more snark.

It isn't offensive, but you're obviously baiting Tim (flamebaiting). Ur a fascist is readonable because.... you're a fascist.
Kaystein wrote:Why not prohibit participation in this thing called "gameplay" if a player promotes or condones fascism? Clearly define somewhere visible on this board what constitutes fascism, according to the standards of the "gaameplay" constituents in Nationstates..


No one is 'prohibiting' CCD from gameplaying. Its just that most sane regions don't want to deal with them.
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Postby Tim Stark » Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:03 pm

Honeydewistania wrote:It isn't offensive, but you're obviously baiting Tim (flamebaiting)

The post was reported and ruled non-actionable twice. It ain't flamebaiting.

Just let the fascists have their victim complex, makes it easier to root them out when they come to the foreground whinging every time they take an L in GP.
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Postby Castelia » Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:09 pm

The Tri State Area and Maine wrote:
Castelia wrote:
As far as I know, Augusto Pinochet's embassy with CCD was there before I took charge.

The others, yes, I did construct embassies with them.

Just a professional doing his job, I assure you. I do as asked, following given protocols and orders. If my boss, in this case Jocospor, asked me to shut down embassies with fascists and construct embassies with democracies, I would in a heartbeat.

Of course, I do not personally condone fascism in any way IRL. All I do here is for roleplay. If I were to transfer to a Commie region, hell, I'd fully embrace roleplaying as a Communist!

I think a lot of people significantly underestimate how common this is.


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Postby RiderSyl » Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:12 pm

Castelia wrote:
The Tri State Area and Maine wrote:I think a lot of people significantly underestimate how common this is.

Finally, somebody said it! Thank you for understanding my plight, good man!


Do you guys really believe people underestimate how common the Nuremberg defense is in these situations?
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Postby Castelia » Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:29 pm

RiderSyl wrote:Do you guys really believe people underestimate how common the Nuremberg defense is in these situations?


Oh, I'm sorry. Was I ever ordered to exterminate people? Was I ever ordered to do anything that was against international law?

Answer? No.

The way you guys are talking, I might actually believe you hold establishing embassies with fascist regions at the same level as genocide. Sheesh.

But we've digressed. Back to the topic of CCD removing tags, please.
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Ex-Nation

Postby RiderSyl » Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:28 pm

Castelia wrote:
RiderSyl wrote:Do you guys really believe people underestimate how common the Nuremberg defense is in these situations?


Oh, I'm sorry. Was I ever ordered to exterminate people? Was I ever ordered to do anything that was against international law?

Answer? No.

Have you ever used the Nuremberg defense?
Yup!

Castelia wrote:The way you guys are talking, I might actually believe you hold establishing embassies with fascist regions at the same level as genocide. Sheesh.

Nah, it's simply amusing that you used "Just following orders" to defend your contact with fascists. The only one comparing it to genocide is you.

Castelia wrote:But we've digressed. Back to the topic of CCD removing tags, please.

Political tags. 'Cuz they have a bad political reputation. 'Cuz they have embassies with fascists. We're on topic.
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