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The ILC - Time To Remove The Versutian Federation

Postby ILC Advocate » Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:40 pm

The International Legislative Coalition, a World Assembly Bloc made up of the Democratic Socialist Assembly, Social Liberal Union, The Communist Bloc, The Internationale, The Leftist Assembly, and The Versutian Federation has recently received a bit of press, arguing that it is a threat to one of the most influential WA Blocs in the game, WALL. However, I am here to tell you that the ILC is a fraud and is not, and never will be, a true representative of NSLeft until The Versutian Federation is removed from its members list.

We can start off with who I am and why I am writing this. I am a former citizen of the The Internationale and the Social Liberal Union, and I currently reside in one of the other regions which is an ILC member. I am publishing this under anonymity due to the fact that if my identity was revealed in said region, I may be attacked for damaging international relations. However, I feel as if the ILC is incorrectly representing itself as a face of the Leftist area of NS, as it allows a region with a moderately sized conservative community, to represent it. I cannot stand for that.

The Versutian Federation is the only member of the ILC which does not have ideology requirements. The other five regions require things such as in-game rights or they simply do not allow conservatives within the region. This is perfectly okay, the regions themselves are allowed to operate as they wish. Four of these regions, with the exception of the Social Liberal Union, are members of NSLeft, a socialist/communist leftist community. The Versutian Federation on the other hand has an alive and active conservative community, including the current Delegate, Speaker, and several Deputy Ministers. This conservative community makes up approximately 1/3rd of the VF government. The ILC Representative for this region, Asairia, is a self-professed conservative. This really throws the leftist tint of the ILC into a new light.

The Speaker of The Versutian Federation, Great Alemonia, is no better. On several occasions, he has described himself as a conservative. In TVF, the Speaker acts as the head of parliament, and as Speaker would be responsible for overseeing the ratification of new international agreements and internal policies. This conservative perspective could be damaging to the leftist image the ILC has.

The list of outed and active conservatives in the region, to my knowledge, are;
Asairia - Current Delegate, former Speaker (previously President)
Great Alemonia - Current Speaker, former Minister of Defense and Delegate
Rubisana - Current Deputy Minister of Immigration, former Minister of Immigration
Dakhovo/Veniasufia - Current Deputy Speaker
United Indochina - Former Minister of Immigration

Those are just the five people that have been active recently and were willing to espouse their political views at some point in the region, while also being involved recently in the government. Those five may not sound like a lot, however they represent over a quarter of the active voting population. This was reflected in a recent election between Rubisana, a known conservative I had previously mentioned, who received eight votes, while another nation and a leftist, Akohos, received eleven votes. Eight out of nineteen possible voters backed having a known conservative in a government that aligns itself with communist and socialist nations. That election can be seen here.

And in the last month, with the resignation of their delegate, The VF had to go through emergency elections. Asairia, a conservative I mentioned earlier, vacated his Speakership to pursue that Delegate spot. Asairia ran unopposed. Not only is the Delegate voting on World Assembly matters, but they are representing The Versutian Federation in the ILC. This region, which again, strictly aligns itself with members and allies of NSLeft, is not enforcing any sort of leftist policy and in fact, are sending conservatives to represent their region.

In that same month, Great Alemonia, a nation that I mentioned previously as conservative, ran unopposed for the Speaker position that Asairia vacated.

I could continue on and on and go back through The VF’s history in the ILC all the way to the beginning. However, there’s no need to. What they are now, effectively 1/4 or more conservative, with a Republican representative in the ILC and WA and a conservative Speaker of parliament, it should be obvious to the leftist community that the ILC does not represent you. The ILC is not willing to stand up for leftist values. The ILC will harbor these individuals despite their values directly contradicting what the ILC has laid out as their platform. The leftist community, especially the non-ILC members within NSLeft, should take this moment to stand up against what the ILC currently is and call for the removal of The Versutian Federation. We have to stand united, the ILC continues to grow in influence and if we truly want a powerful leftist group representing us in the World Assembly, we cannot do that with The Versutian Federation.

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Postby ILC Advocate » Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:42 pm

The ILC has issued a response on their Discord server. You can view that here.

The ILC completely misses the point of what was posted. The fact of the matter is, the ILC does represent a good portion of NSLeft with over half of its membership being part of the group. Furthermore, the group does represent leftist regions as a whole. They all, with the exception of the Versutian Federation, have requirements to be leftist. All The Versutian Federation is is added votes in the World Assembly and a toxic conservative government. The ILC would be, without a doubt, a force to be reckoned with if they were to drop TVF and embrace that leftist label.

You can have something wrote in your charter that says 'we have no ideology', but you do. All of the delegates are socialist or communist, with one exception and that is from TVF. A conservative, among some of the brightest minds of the left like Ivory Rhodes. You are a leftist group, and if you truly wish to represent us, you will drop The Versutian Federation.

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:53 am

I don't think groups on ns segregating themselves is a good thing.
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Postby Dekks » Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:26 am

I believe the original poster has missed the point of the ILC and NSLeft here, the first thing I would like to mention is that ILC and NSLeft, even though having overlapping regions, are independent of eachother as an organization, one can have an active region participating in it that the other has no relations to at all.
NSLeft is a leftist organization, which is why TVF isn't in NSLeft, as it isn't a leftist region, this is an agreement which I believe both groups are completely fine with.
The ILC on the other hand has no requirments of ideology, whatever requirments there are TVF meets, furthermore, every 'problem' the original poster mentioned is completely known to the other regions in the ILC, still they have allowed TVF to stay a part of the ILC and TVF have themselves not indicated that they are willing to leave the ILC.
As for the effectiveness of the ILC with or without TVF, no active member or credible source in the ILC would claim that whatever shortcomings there are are caused because of TVF's ideological differences with the other regions.
All in all I would call this post uninformed to say the least or even as trying to misrepresent the ILC and it's relationship with NSLeft.
(here the link to the charter of the ILC if you'd like to educate yourself about it: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=978352)

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Postby Kavagrad » Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:01 am

This is absolutely ridiculous. Is this trying to suggest that TVF ruins a "leftist image" that we in the ILC aren't even trying to portray? If your argument is that we must be leftist because the majority of regions in the ILC are leftist, then I'd, y'know, point to TVF's membership as proof otherwise. Asairia's conservatism isn't news to anyone with significance in the ILC, TVF's lack of ideological standing isn't news to anyone at all. It's never been a problem for anyone except a tiny minority of radicals who seem to believe that we shouldn't be working with anyone that isn't ideologically "pure" as I've heard it put before. It's nonsensical.

If you take issue to TVF's membership to this extent and want them out, then go public and run an honest campaign to make that happen. If you win and make it happen, you get what you want. If you lose, then you'll know that you're wrong about how we think of the ILC. By doing this, you are sabotaging international relations, and making things worse for yourself when you're inevitably found out. This isn't some bold expose of the ILC that you're carrying out, it's an act of cowardice. If you turn out to be a citizen of TLA, I will be endlessly embarrassed to have such a person in our community.
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Postby Blood Wine » Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:02 am

So what does it actually matter if they allow conservatives if they follow the bloc voting? lol
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Postby Scottiesland » Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:05 am

Man, I thought this was going to be a post about how Toxic TVF has been/is but i guess not.

I think forming a bloc for Left leaning regions is pretty useless but then again I don't like the GA at all :P
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Postby North American Republics » Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:54 am

ILC Advocate wrote:*snip*.


The Social Liberal Union does not enforce ideological requirements. Basing membership on rights and freedoms means that even right wing, hyper capitalist nations are accepted so long as they are willing to provide at least average rights and freedoms. The SLU is not a member of NSLeft and to imply that the ILC is a leftist organization is foolish. The inclusion of TVF should have been enough to show that for, however leftist their members may generally be, the conservative Bloc was never overlooked.

This seems like a silly thread meant for no greater purpose than to smear a large WA voting Bloc.

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Postby ILC Advocate » Wed Jan 16, 2019 2:43 pm

Scottiesland wrote:Man, I thought this was going to be a post about how Toxic TVF has been/is but i guess not.

I think forming a bloc for Left leaning regions is pretty useless but then again I don't like the GA at all :P

TVF is incredible toxic to this day, which you can squarely blame on ideologues/firebrands like Valturus and Cosmo. We could go in depth on them and why they pose an entirely different issue. The SLU government has already banned Cosmo and privately have repeatedly expressed that they wish they could ban Valturus as well. Their time will come.

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Postby Miss Madeline » Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:35 am

I'm confused... are you advocating for TVF to be removed because it is toxic and allows toxic people to run amuck or because it is not left enough and the ILC is clearly a lefty only crew? Somebody needs to get their stories straight before announcing their gripes to the whole Gameplay World!

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Postby Queen Yuno » Thu Jan 17, 2019 1:01 am

Miss Madeline wrote:I'm confused... are you advocating for TVF to be removed because it is toxic and allows toxic people to run amuck or because it is not left enough and the ILC is clearly a lefty only crew? Somebody needs to get their stories straight before announcing their gripes to the whole Gameplay World!

lol this was my thought too


The sum of the thread:
The list of outed and active conservatives in the region, to my knowledge, are;
Asairia - Current Delegate, former Speaker (previously President)
Great Alemonia - Current Speaker, former Minister of Defense and Delegate
Rubisana - Current Deputy Minister of Immigration, former Minister of Immigration
Dakhovo/Veniasufia - Current Deputy Speaker
United Indochina - Former Minister of Immigration

Those are just the five people that have been active recently and were willing to espouse their political views at some point in the region, while also being involved recently in the government.
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Postby Eriadni » Thu Jan 17, 2019 1:20 am

Miss Madeline wrote:I'm confused... are you advocating for TVF to be removed because it is toxic and allows toxic people to run amuck or because it is not left enough and the ILC is clearly a lefty only crew? Somebody needs to get their stories straight before announcing their gripes to the whole Gameplay World!


The original gripe concerned a perceived representation of the leftist community within the ILC and that TVF did not fit in with this representation. Ivory Rhodes' official response and the posts of Dekks and North American Republics confirm that the ILC was never intended to represent an ideological base, despite the leanings of member regions. TVF and toxicity seems to be an attempt to drag the debate into a more favourable area for attacking TVF.

Just my $0.02
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Postby Valturus » Thu Jan 17, 2019 7:24 am

ILC Advocate wrote:
Scottiesland wrote:Man, I thought this was going to be a post about how Toxic TVF has been/is but i guess not.

I think forming a bloc for Left leaning regions is pretty useless but then again I don't like the GA at all :P

TVF is incredible toxic to this day, which you can squarely blame on ideologues/firebrands like Valturus and Cosmo. We could go in depth on them and why they pose an entirely different issue. The SLU government has already banned Cosmo and privately have repeatedly expressed that they wish they could ban Valturus as well. Their time will come.

Please do go more in depth.

Are you even aware of the fact that I'm a member of the SLU government?


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