St Abbaddon: Topid Returns to Throne

[Scottiesland]

Grats to Topid! Nice to see him back in charge of his region.

[Myrth]

Not sure how this is a new page in the struggle against us imperial tyrants considering we withdrew from the region. If we hadn't done so, you wouldn't have gotten anywhere. You might as well pile into some other inactive region we have nothing to do with and claim it's a mighty victory against us.

An avowed enemy of the New Pacific Order is returning to a region you forced him out of and claimed in your sphere of influence. Better still, you abandoned it to him without a fight. This is only good news.

Surely it's a victory for the NPO in so far as, for the duration of our interest in the matter, a NPO-backing regime was in power? Pierconium made clear even before his return to the senate that it was folly for the Pacific to bother maintaining an active interest in a UCR when to do so is against Francoist principles, so it's hardly surprising that one of his first acts was to advise against continuing the matter. It merely created a cause celebre for those with an axe to grind with the Pacific, so it's a rather sorry affair that the best "victory" our opponents can celebrate is the rather un-triumphant return to power of a formerly exiled native. It's rather like defenders claiming a grand victory when a group of invaders get bored of holding a region and move on.

[Armaros]

An avowed enemy of the New Pacific Order is returning to a region you forced him out of and claimed in your sphere of influence. Better still, you abandoned it to him without a fight. This is only good news.

Surely it's a victory for the NPO in so far as, for the duration of our interest in the matter, a NPO-backing regime was in power? Pierconium made clear even before his return to the senate that it was folly for the Pacific to bother maintaining an active interest in a UCR when to do so is against Francoist principles, so it's hardly surprising that one of his first acts was to advise against continuing the matter. It merely created a cause celebre for those with an axe to grind with the Pacific, so it's a rather sorry affair that the best "victory" our opponents can celebrate is the rather un-triumphant return to power of a formerly exiled native. It's rather like defenders claiming a grand victory when a group of invaders get bored of holding a region and move on.

"Everyone who celebrates the return of a native we forced out for no good reason and nearly killed off his community is an APC propagandist and is just sorry!" -Myrth

[Drop Your Pants]

"Everyone who celebrates the return of a native we forced out for no good reason and nearly killed off his community is an APC propagandist and is just sorry!" -Myrth

His community? Always thought communities were group things. Weird.

[The Tri State Area and Maine]

An avowed enemy of the New Pacific Order is returning to a region you forced him out of and claimed in your sphere of influence. Better still, you abandoned it to him without a fight. This is only good news.

Surely it's a victory for the NPO in so far as, for the duration of our interest in the matter, a NPO-backing regime was in power? Pierconium made clear even before his return to the senate that it was folly for the Pacific to bother maintaining an active interest in a UCR when to do so is against Francoist principles, so it's hardly surprising that one of his first acts was to advise against continuing the matter. It merely created a cause celebre for those with an axe to grind with the Pacific, so it's a rather sorry affair that the best "victory" our opponents can celebrate is the rather un-triumphant return to power of a formerly exiled native. It's rather like defenders claiming a grand victory when a group of invaders get bored of holding a region and move on.

Why was the NPO interested in St Abbaddon in the first place?

[The Gilded Star]

it's a rather sorry affair that the best "victory" our opponents can celebrate is the rather un-triumphant return to power of a formerly exiled native. It's rather like defenders claiming a grand victory when a group of invaders get bored of holding a region and move on.

I mean, for the people that actually care about the well-being of the region in question, yeah, both scenarios you just listed are cause for celebration for those people. Why wouldn't it be?

As for it being untriumphant, well... there's a lot of people cheering on Topid and St. Abbaddon right now, and Kitsco even announced an upcoming party in celebration of Topid's coronation, so...

Just because the NPO are pinching their noses in disdain and trying to act condescending about the whole matter doesn't mean their opinion is reflective of the rest of the community. I'm sure you'll find sympathetic party-poopers wanting to ruin the fun of St. Abbaddon somewhere if you look around enough, but this isn't the right place to search for them.

Also, since when has Pierconium adhered to Francoist principles? Last I remember, he denied ever being a Francoist and even criticized its influence in the NPO.

[Cormactopia Prime]

"Everyone who celebrates the return of a native we forced out for no good reason and nearly killed off his community is an APC propagandist and is just sorry!" -Myrth

His community? Always thought communities were group things. Weird.

Oh come on. How much did you have to stretch that innocuous comment to make it say the dastardly thing you interpreted it as saying? It's "his" in the sense that he belongs to it, not that it belongs to him. It's like saying "so and so was a pillar of his community." You're grasping at straws.

[Odinburgh]

Just heard of your glorious return. Not familiar with you or St Abbaddon but wish you well.

[Dragonisia]

His community? Always thought communities were group things. Weird.

Oh come on. How much did you have to stretch that innocuous comment to make it say the dastardly thing you interpreted it as saying? It's "his" in the sense that he belongs to it, not that it belongs to him. It's like saying "so and so was a pillar of his community." You're grasping at straws.

Topid should have never left. The imposed exile was excessive. Cormac is correct that Topid belongs here.

[Pierconium]

Why was the NPO interested in St Abbaddon in the first place?

Good question. I’ve asked myself the same thing for a long time.

[Unibot III]

Surely it's a victory for the NPO in so far as, for the duration of our interest in the matter, a NPO-backing regime was in power? Pierconium made clear even before his return to the senate that it was folly for the Pacific to bother maintaining an active interest in a UCR when to do so is against Francoist principles, so it's hardly surprising that one of his first acts was to advise against continuing the matter. It merely created a cause celebre for those with an axe to grind with the Pacific, so it's a rather sorry affair that the best "victory" our opponents can celebrate is the rather un-triumphant return to power of a formerly exiled native. It's rather like defenders claiming a grand victory when a group of invaders get bored of holding a region and move on.

Why was the NPO interested in St Abbaddon in the first place?

It was a way of exerting force against a critic of the NPO, project power, and divide defenders amongst themselves.

[Myrth]

it's a rather sorry affair that the best "victory" our opponents can celebrate is the rather un-triumphant return to power of a formerly exiled native. It's rather like defenders claiming a grand victory when a group of invaders get bored of holding a region and move on.

I mean, for the people that actually care about the well-being of the region in question, yeah, both scenarios you just listed are cause for celebration for those people. Why wouldn't it be?

As for it being untriumphant, well... there's a lot of people cheering on Topid and St. Abbaddon right now, and Kitsco even announced an upcoming party in celebration of Topid's coronation, so...

Just because the NPO are pinching their noses in disdain and trying to act condescending about the whole matter doesn't mean their opinion is reflective of the rest of the community. I'm sure you'll find sympathetic party-poopers wanting to ruin the fun of St. Abbaddon somewhere if you look around enough, but this isn't the right place to search for them.

Also, since when has Pierconium adhered to Francoist principles? Last I remember, he denied ever being a Francoist and even criticized its influence in the NPO.

I'm not begrudging them their reason to celebrate, I'm saying trying to celebrate it as some sort of victory over the NPO is grasping at straws.

As for Pierconium's principles, I think it's fair to say Ivan can only be defined in terms of being Ivan.

[The Gilded Star]

I'm not begrudging them their reason to celebrate, I'm saying trying to celebrate it as some sort of victory over the NPO is grasping at straws.

It's a victory at least in the sense that the NPO were the ones to exile Topid from St. Abbaddon, and held it in part so he couldn't have it back. While the NPO might have lost interest in continuing it, it was at least previously a point of contention that the NPO liked flaunting at those sore about it. So it is a win, in a political sense, in that it's one less piece of ammunition the NPO can continue using against the APC, and it allows the APC to bring the frontline closer to the NPO's doorstep, even if these are things the NPO yielded willingly.

However, I do agree that the NPO was not crushed or any dramatic thing like that, nor does it leave The Pacific weakened (if anything, it makes TP more secure). And I don't fault the NPO for defending its reputation against such claims. But the situation for St. Abbaddon definitely is a big victory for those with a vested interest in the region, regardless of how it played out, and the NPO was viewed, at least from the Topid perspective, as the opposition in preventing this from happening until now.

As for Pierconium's principles, I think it's fair to say Ivan can only be defined in terms of being Ivan.

100% agreed.

[Pallaith]

Welcome back Topid! We in the North Pacific hope the transition is a smooth and peaceful one and that St. Abbaddon reaches new heights. Great work to everyone involved in making this happen.

[Niktobr]

Good to have you back, Topid. With you back in power, maybe some more former natives of the region may return!

[Armaros]

"Everyone who celebrates the return of a native we forced out for no good reason and nearly killed off his community is an APC propagandist and is just sorry!" -Myrth

His community? Always thought communities were group things. Weird.

"His" as in the same as the NPO is "your" home region.

[Tim-Opolis]

Don't ghost this time, Topid.