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Draganisia wrote:I probably won't ever trust any raider. They only know how to destroy and never care about those that they hurt in the process. The actions all those with Black Hawks proves this.

Even if Mallorea did mean it as a joke we will never stop taking stuff like that seriously and I advise everyone else do the same. It is the only way to stop raiders from destroying whole regions and everything a part of them.

Just to be clear, while I think it was indeed funny, I was also entirely serious. As I said on the RMB though, there's no reason we can't be civil and have fun with it. My WA is busy elsewhere now, but I'll let y'all know next time I'm in town.

Yea I was extremely tired when I wrote that but the main message is clear enough.

Yes we take regional security very seriously and even things that seem like a joke will still be taken seriously when they are about regional security. I do have a sense of humor as well but regional security is not something to laugh about.

Anyways the Dragons have taken care of the situation and if anyone else gets raiding ideas the Dragons of War are always watching and ready to protect our region.

Draganisia wrote:

Mallorea and Riva wrote:Tip toe? Quietly? I was openly asking for endorsements to purge the region on the rmb

You used to be a Major and Field Marshal of The Black Hawks.

That alone is enough for us not to ever trust you no matter if you meant it all as a joke or not.

Draganisia wrote:I probably won't ever trust any raider. They only know how to destroy and never care about those that they hurt in the process. The actions all those with Black Hawks proves this.

Even if Mallorea did mean it as a joke we will never stop taking stuff like that seriously and I advise everyone else do the same. It is the only way to stop raiders from destroying whole regions and everything a part of them.

Pardon, but uh, if you don’t mind me asking, who exactly was it that first agreed to help Topid claw the region back from the NPO when even defenders had helped instate them? Who made a deal with Topid, where he backed our efforts, and was promised everything in our power to return him to the delegacy in return?

Sure, we’ve raided it before, and made no promises not to do so again in the future, but, come on with the sweeping judgement. Topid trusted us. You should be paranoid, founderless region and all, but you could also be a wee bit more gracious about it

We’re raiders, but we’re fairly honest ones.

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:the NPO when even defenders had helped instate them?

[citation needed]

Mallorea and Riva wrote:My WA is busy elsewhere now,

>_>

Roavin wrote:

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:the NPO when even defenders had helped instate them?

[citation needed]

Dunno why you thought it was a good idea to call that out. It's a commonly known fact that defenders assisted the NPO in making St. Abbaddon a protectorate of the NPO back in the day. If that doesn't sound like something defenders would do, just try to remember who the leading figures in defending were back then.

RiderSyl wrote:

Roavin wrote:
[citation needed]

Dunno why you thought it was a good idea to call that out. It's a commonly known fact that defenders assisted the NPO in making St. Abbaddon a protectorate of the NPO back in the day. If that doesn't sound like something defenders would do, just try to remember who the leading figures in defending were back then.

So basically Trumpian "everybody knows that"?

Again, [citation needed]. I'm very well aware what happened and this ain't it.

Roavin wrote:

RiderSyl wrote:Dunno why you thought it was a good idea to call that out. It's a commonly known fact that defenders assisted the NPO in making St. Abbaddon a protectorate of the NPO back in the day. If that doesn't sound like something defenders would do, just try to remember who the leading figures in defending were back then.

So basically Trumpian "everybody knows that"?

Again, [citation needed]. I'm very well aware what happened and this ain't it.

Pointing out that something is common knowledge isn't Trumpian. Denying something that is common knowledge because you've got your own agenda, though...

If you're so "well aware" of what happened, share with the class already. Personally, I'm interested to see if it'll read like Unibot's account of things.

RiderSyl wrote:Pointing out that something is common knowledge isn't Trumpian. Denying something that is common knowledge because you've got your own agenda, though...

Yes, I have an agenda, and that's not to let such a dumb falsehood about defenders fly about unchecked.

RiderSyl wrote:If you're so "well aware" of what happened, share with the class already.

Basically: In the span of an hour, NPO was talked out of an invasion and into a defense by being offered a non-binding personal statement by one particular defender in private. A month later, Kitsco then (on his own after mostly ghosting defenders) accepted the protectorate arrangement offered by the NPO.

RiderSyl wrote:Personally, I'm interested to see if it'll read like Unibot's account of things.

Come on, you're better than that.

Roavin wrote:Yes, I have an agenda, and that's not to let such a dumb falsehood about defenders fly about unchecked.

Roavin: The Defender of Truth

Roavin wrote:

RiderSyl wrote:If you're so "well aware" of what happened, share with the class already.

Basically: In the span of an hour, NPO was talked out of an invasion and into a defense by being offered a non-binding personal statement by one particular defender in private. A month later, Kitsco then (on his own after mostly ghosting defenders) accepted the protectorate arrangement offered by the NPO.

Putting aside that you're likely just parroting the account of Uni or Glen, I find it interesting that "one particular defender" is going unnamed. Who was it? Or did your friends not tell you that part?

Roavin wrote:

RiderSyl wrote:Personally, I'm interested to see if it'll read like Unibot's account of things.

Come on, you're better than that.

Oh, sorry. The implication you'd hit up the same player that trained you to defend to get an account of things that happened before your time is clearly a "conspiracy".
Who's being Trumpian again?

RiderSyl wrote:Putting aside that you're likely just parroting the account of Uni or Glen, I find it interesting that "one particular

Oh, sorry. The implication you'd hit up the same player that trained you to defend to get an account of things that happened before your time is clearly a "conspiracy".

Unless I am severely mistaken about things, this is well within the timeframe when Roavin was one of (if not the) leading defenders, and unibot was anything but. I'm not sure that Glen was a leading defender at any point.

Indeed, the events in question had occurred in June 2017. By that point, unibot did not have any sort of defender role for several years. The short of it, to my recollection, is that Tim had brokered a private agreement between Kitsco and the NPO. Proponents of this course of action reasoned that the NPO would have been able to destroy the region but for the agreement being brokered. Some defenders supported it, others opposed it, but it wasn't a collective action.

Roavin and RiderSyl are both equally Trumpian. Now let's get back to the point.

Guy wrote:

RiderSyl wrote:Putting aside that you're likely just parroting the account of Uni or Glen, I find it interesting that "one particular

Oh, sorry. The implication you'd hit up the same player that trained you to defend to get an account of things that happened before your time is clearly a "conspiracy".

Unless I am severely mistaken about things, this is well within the timeframe when Roavin was one of (if not the) leading defenders, and unibot was anything but. I'm not sure that Glen was a leading defender at any point.

Indeed, the events in question had occurred in June 2017. By that point, unibot did not have any sort of defender role for several years. The short of it, to my recollection, is that Tim had brokered a private agreement between Kitsco and the NPO. Proponents of this course of action reasoned that the NPO would have been able to destroy the region but for the agreement being brokered. Some defenders supported it, others opposed it, but it wasn't a collective action.

Guy's accounting jives with my recollection of the events. And I'd add that a JTF raid of St Abbaddon, was liberated at minor and then what ensued was a long pile off throughout the day where both sides were pretty much tapped out waiting to see if Kitsco would logon to ban everyone by the major update. With about 2 hours to go or so, NPO started piling on the JTF side to try and angle for their own objectives. JTF certainly has a history of trying to refound regions they raid and probably would have done the same and fulfilled the removing Topid thing that the NPO wished for. It ended up happening that Kitsco logged on just before major, but at that point Tim was already talking with NPO and got them to switch their endos. Anyway yeah Kitsco agreed to a deal much later like more than week because he thought the terms sounded good. It's not a chapter that really anyone looks back on with pride, but I understand why people made the decisions they did.

RiderSyl wrote:Oh, sorry. The implication you'd hit up the same player that trained you to defend to get an account of things that happened before your time is clearly a "conspiracy".
Who's being Trumpian again?

lol k

I was literally First Warden and talking about it in the Officers chat while that all went down, but you do you.

Okay, it's evident that I was very, embarrassingly wrong about the facts surrounding St. Abby here.

I didn't check myself and wrecked myself.

I doubt the natives of St Abbaddon are interested in rehashing this history. Why are all of you? Smh.

United Massachusetts wrote:Roavin and RiderSyl are both equally Trumpian. Now let's get back to the point.

"There are good people on both sides"?



Please let's not bring that name back in here again, shall we?

Cormactopia Prime wrote:I doubt the natives of St Abbaddon are interested in rehashing this history. Why are all of you? Smh.

This, the majority of people in St Abby have moved on and are trying to make the best out of the current situation. I know GP is inactive rn but surely we have better things to do than go over events that happened years ago when nothing is going to change what happened.

Wymondham wrote:

Cormactopia Prime wrote:I doubt the natives of St Abbaddon are interested in rehashing this history. Why are all of you? Smh.

This, the majority of people in St Abby have moved on and are trying to make the best out of the current situation. I know GP is inactive rn but surely we have better things to do than go over events that happened years ago when nothing is going to change what happened.

That's precisely what happens when Gameplay is active, just with more relatively recent events

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