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Posted: **Wed Jun 10, 2020 9:41 pm**

Tinhampton wrote:No comment.

Better Together is a fairly unusual name with a treaty, most of which have words like "Treaty" or "Accord" in their names. What is the significance of this title to NPO and TWP?

I mean, it literally can't be simpler:

bet·ter1
/ˈbedər/
1.
of a more excellent or effective type or quality.

to·geth·er
/təˈɡeT͟Hər/

adverb
1.
into companionship or close association.

There's absolutely nothing secret, hidden, malicious, clever or whatever about it. Better together. Literally.

And, the fact that as a Community we - NS at large - haven't been creative enough to come up with more interesting names for agreements more often is sad...

So yeah, anyway, what's your point? I'm kind of at a loss of what are you even trying to get from this question, mate. I swore this is the least expected question hahahaha

Posted: **Wed Jun 10, 2020 10:10 pm**

I appreciate you, Elegarth.

Posted: **Wed Jun 10, 2020 10:32 pm**

This is excellent news. Well done to both sides on putting this together.

Posted: **Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:42 pm**

Oh my!

That's a excellent treaty, and I've seen some treaties in my days. Very well put together! Kudos to the FA people on both sides.
By the way. I love creative treaty names!

Love TWP, especially Dilber and Mia!

Posted: **Thu Jun 11, 2020 3:48 am**

It is great to see relations re-established. From this we will live up to the treaty name and continue to forge a better future.

Posted: **Thu Jun 11, 2020 10:33 am**

Many congratulations to The West Pacific and The Pacific on agreeing this treaty.

Posted: **Thu Jun 11, 2020 10:52 am**

Congrats to both the NPO & TWP on agreeing to this treaty. I for one like the name quite a lot, it's much different than other names and I like that

Posted: **Thu Jun 11, 2020 12:00 pm**

Congratulations to both regions on this new treaty!

It really is a well-written one, and I know something great will come of it!

Posted: **Thu Jun 11, 2020 2:42 pm**

Who wanted the sunset clause?

Posted: **Thu Jun 11, 2020 3:34 pm**

I, for one, hope "Better Together" is literal and we'll soon be seeing a Pacific federation

Posted: **Thu Jun 11, 2020 4:30 pm**

Unibot III wrote:Who wanted the sunset clause?

The whole treaty was written in tandem, word by word, through several meetings. I can't really tell you that X or Y was asked by any specific member, as it was all honestly very natural.

I'm particularly partial to sunset clauses since I originally met them in CN back in 2009, since they actually require the parts to actively maintain the relationship, and no real relationship lasts, in this realm or in real life, without maintenance and effort.

Posted: **Thu Jun 11, 2020 4:40 pm**

Sandaoguo wrote:I, for one, hope "Better Together" is literal and we'll soon be seeing a Pacific federation

I'm sure the NPO is attempting to do diplomatically what they've sworn off doing covertly :roll:

Congrats and stuff to the happy treaty couple

Posted: **Thu Jun 11, 2020 4:48 pm**

Sandaoguo wrote:I, for one, hope "Better Together" is literal and we'll soon be seeing a Pacific federation

I, for one, lobbied for Butter Together, but sadly it was rejected.

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 3:48 am**

Lord Dominator wrote:
Sandaoguo wrote:I, for one, hope "Better Together" is literal and we'll soon be seeing a Pacific federation

I'm sure the NPO is attempting to do diplomatically what they've sworn off doing covertly

Congrats and stuff to the happy treaty couple

How so?

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 4:08 am**

Big Bad Badger wrote:
Lord Dominator wrote:I'm sure the NPO is attempting to do diplomatically what they've sworn off doing covertly

Congrats and stuff to the happy treaty couple

How so?

LD was being sarcastic, Badger. The eyeroll was the hint.

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 4:20 am**

Were relations ever really severed in the first place?

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 4:25 am**

Wayneactia wrote:Were relations ever really severed in the first place?

They most assuredly were for a while. Rebuilding confidence and trust to reach formal relations again took time for reasons everyone knows by now. If there had been no changes or improvements, TWP would have had no reason to make a move to reestablish relations.

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 5:19 am**

Xoriet wrote:
Wayneactia wrote:Were relations ever really severed in the first place?

They most assuredly were for a while. Rebuilding confidence and trust to reach formal relations again took time for reasons everyone knows by now. If there had been no changes or improvements, TWP would have had no reason to make a move to reestablish relations.

You'll forgive me if I take anything coming out of the Pacific with a grain of salt?

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 5:41 am**

Wayneactia wrote:
Xoriet wrote:They most assuredly were for a while. Rebuilding confidence and trust to reach formal relations again took time for reasons everyone knows by now. If there had been no changes or improvements, TWP would have had no reason to make a move to reestablish relations.

You'll forgive me if I take anything coming out of the Pacific with a grain of salt?

Of course. That's just a hazard of the job given past events.

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 6:32 am**

Wayneactia wrote:You'll forgive me if I take anything coming out of the Pacific with a grain of salt?

And who are you exactly?

I mean, really asking here.

I understand the many people who has in the past been involved or affected by our mistakes taking what we say with a grain of salt. It's only natural and I have a lot of respect for what they feel...

But what have you ever had to do with us?

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 8:46 am**

The treaty was worked on in tandem, with clauses being written based off mutual consultation. The West Pacific believes in sunset clauses as it ensures that diplomatic relations run on more than just inertia. We are testing this theory out with treaty, and expect to upgrade other treaties and sign new partners in this style.

Also, we did break relations and it was not for show. Personally, the NPO has heard my opinion on previous leadership. If the The West Pacific did not believe that the current senate is different from previous iterations, we would not have signed this treaty.

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:42 am**

The Seeker of Power wrote:But what have you ever had to do with us?

He's an Osiran.

I'm now imagining Elegarth attending to a massive, leather-bound reference book titled "REGIONS WE SCREWED (& OTHER GRIEVANCES)" in gold foil.

Dilber wrote:The West Pacific believes in sunset clauses as it ensures that diplomatic relations run on more than just inertia.

On the contrary, the very beating heart of NS foreign policy is inertia and underestimating the NPO. It's what binds us together.

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 11:49 am**

Unibot III wrote:On the contrary, the very beating heart of NS foreign policy is inertia and underestimating the NPO. It's what binds us together.

No, it's not listening to the dribble that comes out of your mouth as you try to stay relevant in NS.

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 12:43 pm**

Drop Your Pants wrote:No, it's not listening to the dribble that comes out of your mouth as you try to stay relevant in NS.

Posted: **Fri Jun 12, 2020 1:37 pm**

Unibot III wrote:
The Seeker of Power wrote:But what have you ever had to do with us?

He's an Osiran.

And I’m a pelt.

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