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Postby Xoriet » Thu Apr 23, 2020 4:37 pm

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:
Xoriet wrote:"Are you this sensitive about your region?"

Coming from a guy from CCD? That's pretty funny. No, it's actually more annoying because we use this thread for business, not to entertain people with nothing better to do than post here because someone asked them to.

I could say the same thing about the CCD thread and no one (including yourself) seems to mind.

The CCD thread is full of legitimate criticisms (mostly), not people daring each other to post for the sake of a joke in the NSGP server. If you want to bring some of those here, feel free to do so and they'll be addressed accordingly.
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Postby ShrewLlamaLand » Thu Apr 23, 2020 4:44 pm

Xoriet wrote:
ShrewLlamaLand wrote:I could say the same thing about the CCD thread and no one (including yourself) seems to mind.

The CCD thread is full of legitimate criticisms (mostly), not people daring each other to post for the sake of a joke in the NSGP server. If you want to bring some of those here, feel free to do so and they'll be addressed accordingly.

Yeah "legitimate" alright.

And, yes, I did:

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Xoriet wrote:Fun history lesson for you: XKI was the first region to hit a 1000 endorsement Delegate and once had more endorsements than all of the GCRs. If this means UCRs are rising in numbers and prevalence again, that does more favors than harm to GCRs.

Oh I'm well aware of XKI's history. The major difference this time is that, back then, XKI was massive. This time around, it's just The Pacific that's small.

You've on even ground with the other feeders and yet you've got 49% of TNP's WA nations and just 42% of their endorsments.
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Postby Wabbitslayah » Thu Apr 23, 2020 4:56 pm

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Jar Wattinree wrote:What even is the point of your posts in this thread? Are you that bored?

Are you this sensitive about your region? I'm only pointing out that NPO's rule has long caused TP to lag far behind the other Pacifics, and now it's been overtaken by a UCR.

Uhh, no one gives a shit. Except you apparently.

EDIT: Also, the NPO works on a system that isn't for everyone. We're fine with that. Because we keep the people who like or love the system and those who wouldn't get along with it merrily find another region they prefer.
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Postby Dilber » Thu Apr 23, 2020 6:54 pm

If CCD considers the pacific to be not secure due to a lack of endos, maybe they should have targeted and failed there instead of targeting and failing in TNP?

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Postby ShrewLlamaLand » Thu Apr 23, 2020 6:56 pm

Dilber wrote:If CCD considers the pacific to be not secure due to a lack of endos, maybe they should have targeted and failed there instead of targeting and failing in TNP?

I've said nothing about TP's regional security.

Also our continued operations within the Pacifics are not something I should talk about here...
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Postby The Gilded Star » Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:01 pm

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:Also our continued operations within the Pacifics are not something I should talk about here...


You should do it over on the CCD thread, of course; the most classical of masterminds always soliloquy their devilishly clever plans before carrying them out.

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Postby The Notorious Mad Jack » Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:04 pm

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:Also our continued operations within the Pacifics are not something I should talk about here...

Lol maybe this time your agent won't decide that our RP is better than sticking around and doing CCD stuff.
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Postby ShrewLlamaLand » Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:06 pm

The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:
ShrewLlamaLand wrote:Also our continued operations within the Pacifics are not something I should talk about here...

Lol maybe this time your agent won't decide that our RP is better than sticking around and doing CCD stuff.

Honestly, we should have realised this earlier, the real problem was that particular agent can never make up their mind.
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Postby Badivermeraed » Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:57 pm

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:
Dilber wrote:If CCD considers the pacific to be not secure due to a lack of endos, maybe they should have targeted and failed there instead of targeting and failing in TNP?

I've said nothing about TP's regional security.

Also our continued operations within the Pacifics are not something I should talk about here...



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Postby The Church of Satan » Fri Apr 24, 2020 12:47 am

Wait so one of CCD's lackeys is here to criticize The Pacific on behalf of someone who's too afraid to do it themselves? And now the aforementioned lackey is making their own criticisms on the basis that a UCR having more endorsements than a GCR is a symbol of a GCR's ineptitude rather than the UCR's skill in building up their own endorsements? That's what's going on here, right?
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Postby Spitfire Mk II » Fri Apr 24, 2020 1:20 am

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:It just goes to show what a joke of an administration the NPO is running within The Pacific when they're now down over 100 delegate endorsements on a UCR. Not even a good UCR, I might add.

It just goes to show what a joke and how trash of an administration of CCD when counting how much stamp they spend to Max Barry, how many UCRs delegate have many endorsement than ShrewLlamaLand, the worst internet user in history of the whole world, and they gain 6 endos while Kuiko gain nearly 300.

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Postby Numero Capitan » Fri Apr 24, 2020 1:43 am

You can make your point without throwing in unnecessary insults.

However, this topic is for the Pacific and their updates and isn't a thread for opinion pieces and general Gameplay discussion. FWIW they have an excellent track record of regional security (their own) and relative un-interest in WA affairs.
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Postby ShrewLlamaLand » Fri Apr 24, 2020 3:36 am

The Church of Satan wrote:Wait so one of CCD's lackeys is here to criticize The Pacific on behalf of someone who's too afraid to do it themselves? And now the aforementioned lackey is making their own criticisms on the basis that a UCR having more endorsements than a GCR is a symbol of a GCR's ineptitude rather than the UCR's skill in building up their own endorsements? That's what's going on here, right?

Yes, I'm here in behalf of TRR's regional officer, Bormiar. Maybe it's time you two had a chat?

Your statement regarding GCR vs UCR endorsements would be true if any other Pacific also had this problem. They don't because apparently they know how to manage a feeder region.
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Postby Flanderlion » Fri Apr 24, 2020 3:53 am

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:
The Church of Satan wrote:Wait so one of CCD's lackeys is here to criticize The Pacific on behalf of someone who's too afraid to do it themselves? And now the aforementioned lackey is making their own criticisms on the basis that a UCR having more endorsements than a GCR is a symbol of a GCR's ineptitude rather than the UCR's skill in building up their own endorsements? That's what's going on here, right?

Yes, I'm here in behalf of TRR's regional officer, Bormiar. Maybe it's time you two had a chat?

Your statement regarding GCR vs UCR endorsements would be true if any other Pacific also had this problem. They don't because apparently they know how to manage a feeder region.

Different ideological viewpoints. We're less about endoes (superior way is def endo tarting to increase WAs) and more about security. There are trade offs, but meh. We've been 2nd most for endoes/pop for a while during Ale's rule, now we've gone down the rankings, partially because other regions have done better with their endo work, but predominantly because of a consistent effective effort (credit to Souls where's due, we still can't do shit as whatever happens someone else will just boot up the same thing) to lower our endoes, unlike what happens in the other Feeders. That said, we're still safe unless either a major technical change/glitch, us screwing up, traitor in Senate, or several hundred nations managing to update raid the Pacific, so the main effect of the campaign is lowering our WA clout.
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Postby WayNeacTia » Fri Apr 24, 2020 6:18 am

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:Yes, I'm here in behalf of TRR's regional officer, Bormiar. Maybe it's time you two had a chat?

Pretty sure Borimar speaks for himself. Is this really the depths you are willing to drill down to? Dragging someone else's name through the mud, just so you can feed that overwhelming craving for attention?
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Postby Jar Wattinree » Fri Apr 24, 2020 8:49 am

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:
The Church of Satan wrote:Wait so one of CCD's lackeys is here to criticize The Pacific on behalf of someone who's too afraid to do it themselves? And now the aforementioned lackey is making their own criticisms on the basis that a UCR having more endorsements than a GCR is a symbol of a GCR's ineptitude rather than the UCR's skill in building up their own endorsements? That's what's going on here, right?

Yes, I'm here in behalf of TRR's regional officer, Bormiar.

I'm not sure what you hope to accomplish here. Bormiar is a member of our WA Squad and is more than capable of speaking to us privately. Again, I reiterate, are you bored to come here and post nonsense?
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Postby Reploid Productions » Fri Apr 24, 2020 8:49 am

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Knock off the flaming. You can criticize someone's regional management skills without the personal attacks.

As for the thread, CCD isn't the topic here, The Pacific and the NPO government is. So how about we get back to that, hmm?

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Postby The Church of Satan » Fri Apr 24, 2020 5:44 pm

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:Yes, I'm here in behalf of TRR's regional officer, Bormiar. Maybe it's time you two had a chat?

Your statement regarding GCR vs UCR endorsements would be true if any other Pacific also had this problem. They don't because apparently they know how to manage a feeder region.

I know Bormiar well enough to know that he doesn't need you of all people to speak for him. He's only too happy to speak his mind no matter how other people might feel about it. And he wouldn't waste his time having you speak for him. Any criticism from you isn't valid. Your notion that more than one GCR would have to be in The Pacific's position in order for the idea that a UCR might have a better recruitment program is baseless and lacking all logic.

Maybe the NPO has just become complacent while XKI took the initiative to step it up during Drewpocalypse?
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Postby ShrewLlamaLand » Fri Apr 24, 2020 5:48 pm

The Church of Satan wrote:
ShrewLlamaLand wrote:Yes, I'm here in behalf of TRR's regional officer, Bormiar. Maybe it's time you two had a chat?

Your statement regarding GCR vs UCR endorsements would be true if any other Pacific also had this problem. They don't because apparently they know how to manage a feeder region.

I know Bormiar well enough to know that he doesn't need you of all people to speak for him. He's only too happy to speak his mind no matter how other people might feel about it. And he wouldn't waste his time having you speak for him. Any criticism from you isn't valid. Your notion that more than one GCR would have to be in The Pacific's position in order for the idea that a UCR might have a better recruitment program is baseless and lacking all logic.

Maybe the NPO has just become complacent while XKI took the initiative to step it up during Drewpocalypse?

Yes, all the recruitment programs run by the feeder regions that have nations created into them. Although you wouldn't know anything about that recruitment thing anyway, given you're from TRR where nations are ejected into...
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Postby Syberis » Fri Apr 24, 2020 6:12 pm

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:
The Church of Satan wrote:I know Bormiar well enough to know that he doesn't need you of all people to speak for him. He's only too happy to speak his mind no matter how other people might feel about it. And he wouldn't waste his time having you speak for him. Any criticism from you isn't valid. Your notion that more than one GCR would have to be in The Pacific's position in order for the idea that a UCR might have a better recruitment program is baseless and lacking all logic.

Maybe the NPO has just become complacent while XKI took the initiative to step it up during Drewpocalypse?

Yes, all the recruitment programs run by the feeder regions that have nations created into them. Although you wouldn't know anything about that recruitment thing anyway, given you're from TRR where nations are ejected into...



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There are people who go to TRR willingly, and everyone who stays there long-term and be involved in the region's government chooses to do so. The region is actually insanely complex from a tactical standpoint, and management of the region is a puzzle unlike anything else in the game.
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Postby ShrewLlamaLand » Fri Apr 24, 2020 6:14 pm

Syberis wrote:
ShrewLlamaLand wrote:Yes, all the recruitment programs run by the feeder regions that have nations created into them. Although you wouldn't know anything about that recruitment thing anyway, given you're from TRR where nations are ejected into...

Gonna teach you a fun fact that you'd know if you cared to educate yourself in any way on the regions you attacked.

There are people who go to TRR willingly, and everyone who stays there long-term and be involved in the region's government chooses to do so. The region is actually insanely complex from a tactical standpoint, and management of the region is a puzzle unlike anything else in the game.

Yeah sure, there are people who go to TRR willingly. Most don't.

The key aspect of recruitment in feeders, sinkers and TRR is nation retainment, not nation recruitment. It's a fundamentally different process. Also I'll have you know CCD has done a decent amount of research on TRR recently...
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Postby The Church of Satan » Fri Apr 24, 2020 6:21 pm

Syberis wrote:Gonna teach you a fun fact that you'd know if you cared to educate yourself in any way on the regions you attacked.

There are people who go to TRR willingly, and everyone who stays there long-term and be involved in the region's government chooses to do so. The region is actually insanely complex from a tactical standpoint, and management of the region is a puzzle unlike anything else in the game.

Yeah, someone like Shrew wouldn't know how things work in TRR. ^_^

I've done my share of recruitment over the years anyways, in a lot of regions. But Shrewm wouldn't know that either. :P
ShrewLlamaLand wrote:The key aspect of recruitment in feeders, sinkers and TRR is nation retainment, not nation recruitment. It's a fundamentally different process. Also I'll have you know CCD has done a decent amount of research on TRR recently...

You assume I've only ever been in GCR's. :P

I know you can't help but be fascinated by TRR. After all, we're a pretty cool place. Regardless of your fascination with TRR, I know without a doubt that the NPO understands recruitment far better than you do. :P
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Postby Rossiyaana » Sat Apr 25, 2020 3:08 am

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:
Syberis wrote:Gonna teach you a fun fact that you'd know if you cared to educate yourself in any way on the regions you attacked.

There are people who go to TRR willingly, and everyone who stays there long-term and be involved in the region's government chooses to do so. The region is actually insanely complex from a tactical standpoint, and management of the region is a puzzle unlike anything else in the game.

Yeah sure, there are people who go to TRR willingly. Most don't.

The key aspect of recruitment in feeders, sinkers and TRR is nation retainment, not nation recruitment. It's a fundamentally different process. Also I'll have you know CCD has done a decent amount of research on TRR recently...

I find it hilarious that you somehow feel qualified to comment on the recruitment practices of the GCRs-- which you yourself have next to no experience with. The goal of the NPO is not to get as many endorsements on our Delegate as possible, rather to find nations that will fit in in The Pacific and work for the betterment of the Order. Regardless we still have nearly quadruple your endorsements, so respectfully: focus on the CCD instead of the recruitment practices of our Region, and keep it out of our Embassy thread. As Xori said if you have legitimate concerns post them, otherwise discuss your "grievances" in your own thread.
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Postby ShrewLlamaLand » Sat Apr 25, 2020 5:19 am

Rossiyaana wrote:
ShrewLlamaLand wrote:Yeah sure, there are people who go to TRR willingly. Most don't.

The key aspect of recruitment in feeders, sinkers and TRR is nation retainment, not nation recruitment. It's a fundamentally different process. Also I'll have you know CCD has done a decent amount of research on TRR recently...

I find it hilarious that you somehow feel qualified to comment on the recruitment practices of the GCRs-- which you yourself have next to no experience with. The goal of the NPO is not to get as many endorsements on our Delegate as possible, rather to find nations that will fit in in The Pacific and work for the betterment of the Order. Regardless we still have nearly quadruple your endorsements, so respectfully: focus on the CCD instead of the recruitment practices of our Region, and keep it out of our Embassy thread. As Xori said if you have legitimate concerns post them, otherwise discuss your "grievances" in your own thread.

As something I have been told in the CCD thread, there's no thread ownership in gameplay. If I want to discuss the policies of NPO, here is the place to do so :)

Having a bit over triple my endorsements isn't really impressive when TP has had something like 7,000 nations created inside of it in the past 4 days, it just shows you're god awful at retaining new nations.

I'll also add that find it a bit disappointing for some reason you decided to join NPO after leaving the Confederation (like what got into your head since then?!) but I guess par for the course.
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Postby Aurum Raider » Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:36 am

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:Having a bit over triple my endorsements isn't really impressive when TP has had something like 7,000 nations created inside of it in the past 4 days, it just shows you're god awful at retaining new nations.

It was said elsewhere, but it's worth repeating. TP's system is not for everyone.
With that said, given that at worse TP pulls in and retains at least two orders of magnitude more nations than CCD does, I don't think they need your pity.
With how long the NPO has been around, I'm inclined to believe they're not going anywhere soon. With how godawful the CCD is at recruiting new nations period, I think you probably should spend more time trying to plug the holes in your sinking ship of a region before worrying about a GCR.
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