Embassy of the NPO

[Cormactopia Prime]

Who are you and what did you do with the NPO?

Given that the office has no actual power, and the Emperor can veto an election, this is still very much the old NPO. No worries.

[Pierconium]

Who are you and what did you do with the NPO?

Given that the office has no actual power, and the Emperor can veto an election, this is still very much the old NPO. No worries.

Incorrect. The Emperor can veto the election based on the elected nation being a security risk and is obligated to inform the Body Republic of the reason. This is no different than any other region having a means of keeping a security threat out of office.

The nation is a member of the Senate and has the same authority as all members of the Senate. So, again, incorrect.

[Glen-Rhodes]

This is a move in a positive direction, as one of GP’s resident democracy-thumpers. Best of luck in your first election to come!

Don't get too excited. Benevolent dictatorship is still the most enlightened form of government.

I’m not There are still many steps to take

[Cormactopia Prime]

Given that the office has no actual power, and the Emperor can veto an election, this is still very much the old NPO. No worries.

Incorrect. The Emperor can veto the election based on the elected nation being a security risk and is obligated to inform the Body Republic of the reason. This is no different than any other region having a means of keeping a security threat out of office.

The nation is a member of the Senate and has the same authority as all members of the Senate. So, again, incorrect.

And realistically, how much proof of being a "security threat" will the Emperor have to provide?

Regarding having as much authority as any Senator: Yes, exactly. Senators have no actual authority. Only the Emperor has any true authority in the NPO.

[Airengard]

Incorrect. The Emperor can veto the election based on the elected nation being a security risk and is obligated to inform the Body Republic of the reason. This is no different than any other region having a means of keeping a security threat out of office.

The nation is a member of the Senate and has the same authority as all members of the Senate. So, again, incorrect.

And realistically, how much proof of being a "security threat" will the Emperor have to provide?

Regarding having as much authority as any Senator: Yes, exactly. Senators have no actual authority. Only the Emperor has any true authority in the NPO.

Every time you speak, it seems like you expect/want the Pacific to become a democracy. Which, as has been said repeatedly, is off the table. The Senators do in fact have power as the Emperor doesn’t run the NPO by his lonesome without anyone else’s opinion or help. The Emperor has the seat because the the Pacific’s citizens allow him. If we had any interest in a democracy, it’d already have been done. Unlike real life, an authoritarian ruler can’t really shoot you for being against him or at least not supporting him (which really, it is all you’d need in order to oust someone in NS, no direct opposition required, just no support).

[Cormactopia Prime]

And realistically, how much proof of being a "security threat" will the Emperor have to provide?

Regarding having as much authority as any Senator: Yes, exactly. Senators have no actual authority. Only the Emperor has any true authority in the NPO.

Every time you speak, it seems like you expect/want the Pacific to become a democracy. Which, as has been said repeatedly, is off the table. The Senators do in fact have power as the Emperor doesn’t run the NPO by his lonesome without anyone else’s opinion or help. The Emperor has the seat because the the Pacific’s citizens allow him. If we had any interest in a democracy, it’d already have been done. Unlike real life, an authoritarian ruler can’t really shoot you for being against him or at least not supporting him (which really, it is all you’d need in order to oust someone in NS, no direct opposition required, just no support).

Did the Pacific lose its ban button while I wasn't looking? You're sure talking like the Emperor can't just ban anyone who won't endorse him (not endorsing him is against your laws), let alone anyone who dares speak in opposition. So I assume the Pacific must have lost its ban button overnight last night.

[Armaros]

Unlike real life, an authoritarian ruler can’t really shoot you for being against him or at least not supporting him (which really, it is all you’d need in order to oust someone in NS, no direct opposition required, just no support).

Mhm, of course they can't!

...but remind me, how did those 130 something nations get in TRR again?

[Airengard]

Every time you speak, it seems like you expect/want the Pacific to become a democracy. Which, as has been said repeatedly, is off the table. The Senators do in fact have power as the Emperor doesn’t run the NPO by his lonesome without anyone else’s opinion or help. The Emperor has the seat because the the Pacific’s citizens allow him. If we had any interest in a democracy, it’d already have been done. Unlike real life, an authoritarian ruler can’t really shoot you for being against him or at least not supporting him (which really, it is all you’d need in order to oust someone in NS, no direct opposition required, just no support).

Did the Pacific lose its ban button while I wasn't looking? You're sure talking like the Emperor can't just ban anyone who won't endorse him (not endorsing him is against your laws), let alone anyone who dares speak in opposition. So I assume the Pacific must have lost its ban button overnight last night.

And does that somehow make what I said invalid? Do you make it your full time job not to read what is said? If the Pacific’s citizens did not support the Emperor, all we’d have to do is not endorse him which would inevitably lead to vulnerability to coups. You can’t be banned for not endorsing. You can not become a member of the NPO without endorsing, but plenty of Pacificans are not even in the WA and a good few that are don’t endorse. Considering the fact that the Emperor is still secure in his seat, then we Pacificans really could not give a damn about your desires for democracy.

[Airengard]

Unlike real life, an authoritarian ruler can’t really shoot you for being against him or at least not supporting him (which really, it is all you’d need in order to oust someone in NS, no direct opposition required, just no support).

Mhm, of course they can't!

...but remind me, how did those 130 something nations get in TRR again?

Are you going to cry for the inactives again? The ones that didn’t participate in NS even as issue answerers?

[Armaros]

Mhm, of course they can't!

...but remind me, how did those 130 something nations get in TRR again?

Are you going to cry for the inactives again? The ones that didn’t participate in NS even as issue answerers?

No, I like the line of arguement. Helps me a lot when I decide to kick over a founderless region and defenders pull a holier-then-thou seated on their moral high horses charging ahead with glorious arguements like "but the poor natives".

Best of all? My actual puppets haven't been banned. At all.

EDIT: what I'm trying to say is that your entire arguement about not "getting shot"/getting banned is pure and utter bullshit. Not very well thought out, even for propaganda.

[Airengard]

Are you going to cry for the inactives again? The ones that didn’t participate in NS even as issue answerers?

No, I like the line of arguement. Helps me a lot when I decide to kick over a founderless region and defenders pull a holier-then-thou seated on their moral high horses charging ahead with glorious arguements like "but the poor natives".

Best of all? My actual puppets haven't been banned. At all.

EDIT: what I'm trying to say is that your entire arguement about not "getting shot"/getting banned is pure and utter bullshit. Not very well thought out, even for propaganda.

Heh, considering that ‘the poor natives’ was one of the arguments used by some in the APC before ‘the poor natives’ laughed in their faces...

[Pierconium]

Every time you speak, it seems like you expect/want the Pacific to become a democracy. Which, as has been said repeatedly, is off the table. The Senators do in fact have power as the Emperor doesn’t run the NPO by his lonesome without anyone else’s opinion or help. The Emperor has the seat because the the Pacific’s citizens allow him. If we had any interest in a democracy, it’d already have been done. Unlike real life, an authoritarian ruler can’t really shoot you for being against him or at least not supporting him (which really, it is all you’d need in order to oust someone in NS, no direct opposition required, just no support).

Did the Pacific lose its ban button while I wasn't looking? You're sure talking like the Emperor can't just ban anyone who won't endorse him (not endorsing him is against your laws), let alone anyone who dares speak in opposition. So I assume the Pacific must have lost its ban button overnight last night.

As a member of the citizenry of the Pacific has addressed this very well, I see no need to elaborate further except to point out that every Delegate nation with executive authority in NS has this ability. Maybe you want to moan about how game mechanics are unfair?

[Armaros]

No, I like the line of arguement. Helps me a lot when I decide to kick over a founderless region and defenders pull a holier-then-thou seated on their moral high horses charging ahead with glorious arguements like "but the poor natives".

Best of all? My actual puppets haven't been banned. At all.

EDIT: what I'm trying to say is that your entire arguement about not "getting shot"/getting banned is pure and utter bullshit. Not very well thought out, even for propaganda.

Heh, considering that ‘the poor natives’ was one of the arguments used by some in the APC before ‘the poor natives’ laughed in their faces...

Not sure who you're referring to here. Mind elaborating? Also, I haven't seen you try to fight my claim your entire arguement from a minute ago was a pile of horseshit. Most interesting.

[Jar Wattinree]

Heh, considering that ‘the poor natives’ was one of the arguments used by some in the APC before ‘the poor natives’ laughed in their faces...

Not sure who you're referring to here. Mind elaborating? Also, I haven't seen you try to fight my claim your entire arguement from a minute ago was a pile of horseshit. Most interesting.

As part of the delegate transition, the Emperor Emeritus ejected a hundred or so high influence and inactive nations from the Pacific before resigning for the current Emperor.

Many NSGP APC posters complained for the "poor" natives, and now they are being laughed at by a native.

[Airengard]

Heh, considering that ‘the poor natives’ was one of the arguments used by some in the APC before ‘the poor natives’ laughed in their faces...

Not sure who you're referring to here. Mind elaborating? Also, I haven't seen you try to fight my claim your entire arguement from a minute ago was a pile of horseshit. Most interesting.

What claim? The people were innactive, that is a fact. I went through every single last one of them the last time this came up exactly cause of this. They didn’t get the boot cause they ‘disagreed with the Emperor’.

[Pierconium]

Best of all? My actual puppets haven't been banned. At all.

Just curious, how is this relevant to anything else you have stated here? Doesn't this sort of refute your position altogether? We aren't hunting APC puppets because we don't actually care unless they are used to spam the RMB or otherwise disrupt the region. Lots of people have puppets in the Pacific, welcome to the party.

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

My puppets in The Pacific are clearly the best ones.

[Pierconium]

My puppets in The Pacific are clearly the best ones.

Since I don't keep any puppets in the Pacific I will concede that to be true and accurate.

[Myrth]

Incorrect. The Emperor can veto the election based on the elected nation being a security risk and is obligated to inform the Body Republic of the reason. This is no different than any other region having a means of keeping a security threat out of office.

The nation is a member of the Senate and has the same authority as all members of the Senate. So, again, incorrect.

And realistically, how much proof of being a "security threat" will the Emperor have to provide?

Regarding having as much authority as any Senator: Yes, exactly. Senators have no actual authority. Only the Emperor has any true authority in the NPO.

You say that like there's any difference between us and any other GCR. Only the delegate has any real, material authority. We just don't try to dress it up with any other pretence.

[Armaros]

And realistically, how much proof of being a "security threat" will the Emperor have to provide?

Regarding having as much authority as any Senator: Yes, exactly. Senators have no actual authority. Only the Emperor has any true authority in the NPO.

You say that like there's any difference between us and any other GCR. Only the delegate has any real, material authority. We just don't try to dress it up with any other pretence.

Hmmm... what's this election about then?

Also to Airengard: lolwut. If you can be banned for simply *being* in the Pacific, you honestly believe that you won't be banned for disagreeing?

[Airengard]

You say that like there's any difference between us and any other GCR. Only the delegate has any real, material authority. We just don't try to dress it up with any other pretence.

Hmmm... what's this election about then?

Also to Airengard: lolwut. If you can be banned for simply *being* in the Pacific, you honestly believe that you won't be banned for disagreeing?

It is funny to say something and repeatedly ignore all the context around it. Lolwut, TBH raided X region so of course they’re going to raid Y. Lolwut, Cormac has been elected to Z position so of course he will be elected to H. You can simplify any situation down to favourable rhetoric if you simply decide to dismiss everything around it.
(Not to mention the fact that they weren’t banned, only kicked, and could return at any time, something that pokes more holes in your rhetoric than the rest of the text.)

[Armaros]

Hmmm... what's this election about then?

Also to Airengard: lolwut. If you can be banned for simply *being* in the Pacific, you honestly believe that you won't be banned for disagreeing?

It is funny to say something and repeatedly ignore all the context around it. Lolwut, TBH raided X region so of course they’re going to raid Y. Lolwut, Cormac has been elected to Z position so of course he will be elected to H. You can simplify any situation down to favourable rhetoric if you simply decide to dismiss everything around it.
(Not to mention the fact that they weren’t banned, only kicked, and could return at any time, something that pokes more holes in your rhetoric than the rest of the text.)

...what? Please give me something I dismissed around this arguement?

If that pokes more holes in my rethoric then anything else, my reasoning must be quite sound. If you can be kicked only for being around there and they don't find you useful, do you legitimately believe they will keep you around if you disagree with them? It's one thing to be unproductive. It's another to be openly disagreeing.

[Airengard]

It is funny to say something and repeatedly ignore all the context around it. Lolwut, TBH raided X region so of course they’re going to raid Y. Lolwut, Cormac has been elected to Z position so of course he will be elected to H. You can simplify any situation down to favourable rhetoric if you simply decide to dismiss everything around it.
(Not to mention the fact that they weren’t banned, only kicked, and could return at any time, something that pokes more holes in your rhetoric than the rest of the text.)

...what? Please give me something I dismissed around this arguement?

If that pokes more holes in my rethoric then anything else, my reasoning must be quite sound. If you can be kicked only for being around there and they don't find you useful, do you legitimately believe they will keep you around if you disagree with them? It's one thing to be unproductive. It's another to be openly disagreeing.

I am not going to bother kicking the dead horse that has been beaten a million times before. I'll just repeat this thing that you seem to have missed the past thousand times it has been said: There are NPO citizens who openly disagree with some things the NPO does. They are still NPO citizens. Screaming oppression from the outside while being utterly ignorant of the inside is idiotic. I can even provide you an example of someone who disagrees, if you want to talk to them. Trying to bend reality and making awful correlations will not make you anymore correct.

[Myrth]

You say that like there's any difference between us and any other GCR. Only the delegate has any real, material authority. We just don't try to dress it up with any other pretence.

Hmmm... what's this election about then?

Representing the Vox Populi into the Senate, surely that much was obvious? What I was pointing out was that in the Pacific, as with all founderless regions, it all exists at the pleasure of the delegate.

[Jar Wattinree]

Hmmm... what's this election about then?

Ask The North Pacific, The East Pacific, and The South Pacific first. They will be happy to explain to you anything you want.