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Darkesia
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Postby Darkesia » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:38 am

Pierconium wrote:I’m not really sure what to say to this. Mistakes were made (again) and the Emperor and much of the Senate was removed. We have rewritten the Charter to allow for citizen input into the laws and are in the process of adding more options regarding citizen input overall. We have removed Francoism from the government structure and are working towards a removal of it from the culture throughout. I have committed to staying until that is firmly accomplished this time. What constitutes ‘even a little’ to you?

Some parties have called for the NPO to be destroyed. That isn’t going to happen. So long as that is the ultimate aim of any ‘coalition’ then I will respond as I see fit to what I consider outlandish positions.

That said, I do not believe for one moment that the ultimate aims of regions like Lazarus, Osiris, Europeia, Hartfelden, and TBH are all the same. Some regions have expressed surprise at the measures we have taken while others continue to say that nothing short of dismantling the NPO will suffice. What do you think I should do in the face of such a ‘coalition’ that doesn’t have a clear or cohesive agenda? You know I won’t relent.

Also, hello.


Hello o/

I frankly don't care about the coalition, because it has failed to be effective in making a positive impact. I do not doubt their intentions, yet I have not seen these intentions solidify in to clear actions beyond slogans. I believe the NPO/the Pacific is suffering a similar difficulty. The changes made in the region have as yet failed to make an impact that I can see. Maybe the coalition is actually doing something political and strategically that is making an impact that I'm missing. Just as likely for the NPO.

My point is that perception is important and my perception is that nothing has changed on either side. It's all slogans and superficial from my POV. Leading me to my comments. If the changes are actually impacting the culture, I think it would show. But maybe we aren't looking in the right place? You need a PR manager.
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Pierconium
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Postby Pierconium » Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:41 am

Darkesia wrote:
Pierconium wrote:I’m not really sure what to say to this. Mistakes were made (again) and the Emperor and much of the Senate was removed. We have rewritten the Charter to allow for citizen input into the laws and are in the process of adding more options regarding citizen input overall. We have removed Francoism from the government structure and are working towards a removal of it from the culture throughout. I have committed to staying until that is firmly accomplished this time. What constitutes ‘even a little’ to you?

Some parties have called for the NPO to be destroyed. That isn’t going to happen. So long as that is the ultimate aim of any ‘coalition’ then I will respond as I see fit to what I consider outlandish positions.

That said, I do not believe for one moment that the ultimate aims of regions like Lazarus, Osiris, Europeia, Hartfelden, and TBH are all the same. Some regions have expressed surprise at the measures we have taken while others continue to say that nothing short of dismantling the NPO will suffice. What do you think I should do in the face of such a ‘coalition’ that doesn’t have a clear or cohesive agenda? You know I won’t relent.

Also, hello.


Hello o/

I frankly don't care about the coalition, because it has failed to be effective in making a positive impact. I do not doubt their intentions, yet I have not seen these intentions solidify in to clear actions beyond slogans. I believe the NPO/the Pacific is suffering a similar difficulty. The changes made in the region have as yet failed to make an impact that I can see. Maybe the coalition is actually doing something political and strategically that is making an impact that I'm missing. Just as likely for the NPO.

My point is that perception is important and my perception is that nothing has changed on either side. It's all slogans and superficial from my POV. Leading me to my comments. If the changes are actually impacting the culture, I think it would show. But maybe we aren't looking in the right place? You need a PR manager.

I can see your point of view. Of course, it is difficult to see internal changes externally in almost all situations, but especially so when each and every public change is met with cries of ‘not enough’. We shall see, I guess.
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The Gilded Star
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Postby The Gilded Star » Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:34 am

Reading the last page or two of comments has made me feel like we've degraded to a contest of who can clutch the most straws at this point.

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Postby Pierconium » Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:43 am

The Gilded Star wrote:Reading the last page or two of comments has made me feel like we've degraded to a contest of who can clutch the most straws at this point.

I don’t agree.

It was stated in this thread by a member of the supposed coalition that the APC has made no official statements, formed no official policy, and taken no official actions. To me that makes them not ‘official’. All I have asked for is a list of these ‘Organizers’ if they exist. It seems a reasonable request.
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Postby RiderSyl » Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:56 am

Surely you can understand why any coalition against the New Pacific Order wouldn't want to give the Consul of the New Pacific Order the names of all its top people. And the threat of being declared nonexistent if they don't give you that list isn't much of a threat at all.
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Postby New Rogernomics » Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:09 pm

RiderSyl wrote:Surely you can understand why any coalition against the New Pacific Order wouldn't want to give the Consul of the New Pacific Order the names of all its top people. And the threat of being declared nonexistent if they don't give you that list isn't much of a threat at all.
Yep. Giving away the top names does all the NPOs intelligence work for them. They need the names no doubt to infiltrate the APC, which they claim doesn't exist, in order to make it not exist.
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Postby Elegarth » Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:19 pm

The Gilded Star wrote:Reading the last page or two of comments has made me feel like we've degraded to a contest of who can clutch the most straws at this point.

TBH I'm just having fun. Isn't fun allowed anymore in this *gasps* realm?

I know, I know, I shall not call the realm a "game", but guys, isn't the whole purpose of these "realms" to enjoy ourselves?
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Postby Lord Dominator » Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:20 pm

Or maybe all of the APC's official statements and policies are where the people who actually need to know them are, lol

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Postby RiderSyl » Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:36 pm

Elegarth wrote:
The Gilded Star wrote:Reading the last page or two of comments has made me feel like we've degraded to a contest of who can clutch the most straws at this point.

TBH I'm just having fun. Isn't fun allowed anymore in this *gasps* realm?

I know, I know, I shall not call the realm a "game", but guys, isn't the whole purpose of these "realms" to enjoy ourselves?


Hey readers and lurkers, don't get all wound up about the pointless, circular arguments going on here. It's just a prank, bro! A social experiment! Don't you know what fun is?!
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Postby Malphe » Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:14 pm

RiderSyl wrote:
Elegarth wrote:TBH I'm just having fun. Isn't fun allowed anymore in this *gasps* realm?

I know, I know, I shall not call the realm a "game", but guys, isn't the whole purpose of these "realms" to enjoy ourselves?


Hey readers and lurkers, don't get all wound up about the pointless, circular arguments going on here. It's just a prank, bro! A social experiment! Don't you know what fun is?!

I mean, there aren't very frequently any really meaningful arguments on the GP forums are they? Most of the important stuff happens in DMs, I think most people read GP more to keep up with the current issues and not because the arguments actually do anything other than run in circles 24/7. I'm honestly having a little difficulty thinking of something big that directly resulted from anything here, I'm sure it's happened but still.
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Postby Lord Dominator » Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:16 pm

Aside from the creation of dumb arguments that others continually mock, or regular news stuff I can't think of much myself.

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Postby Pierconium » Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:17 pm

New Rogernomics wrote:
RiderSyl wrote:Surely you can understand why any coalition against the New Pacific Order wouldn't want to give the Consul of the New Pacific Order the names of all its top people. And the threat of being declared nonexistent if they don't give you that list isn't much of a threat at all.
Yep. Giving away the top names does all the NPOs intelligence work for them. They need the names no doubt to infiltrate the APC, which they claim doesn't exist, in order to make it not exist.

This is it. We want to know who the nations are so we can pretend to be them and give conflicting orders to all the APC nations.
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Postby The Tri State Area and Maine » Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:23 pm

Pierconium wrote:
New Rogernomics wrote:Yep. Giving away the top names does all the NPOs intelligence work for them. They need the names no doubt to infiltrate the APC, which they claim doesn't exist, in order to make it not exist.

This is it. We want to know who the nations are so we can pretend to be them and give conflicting orders to all the APC nations.


We got him, boys!

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Postby The Gilded Star » Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:35 pm

Introducing the first APC Organizer:

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Piernotium.

He orders you to pat your head and rub your stomach simultaneously.

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Postby Pierconium » Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:17 pm

The Gilded Star wrote:Introducing the first APC Organizer:

(Image)

Piernotium.

He orders you to pat your head and rub your stomach simultaneously.

Seems legit.
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Postby RiderSyl » Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:29 pm

Pierconium wrote:
The Gilded Star wrote:Introducing the first APC Organizer:

(Image)

Piernotium.

He orders you to pat your head and rub your stomach simultaneously.

Seems legit.


Is the next one going to be Imnot Moldavi?
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Postby Pierconium » Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:59 am

Lord Dominator wrote:Or maybe all of the APC's official statements and policies are where the people who actually need to know them are, lol

I could almost believe this except that doesn’t appear to be the case. There doesn’t appear to be any actual policy because each individual region is conducting their own campaign (well, realistically two of the regions with one or two nations doing all the ‘work’ with the poor RMB spam and largely ignored telegram scheme) and the ultimate aims seem different overall.

Unless, of course, disorganisation is the aim of the ‘Organizers’. Maybe that is the goal of the supposed APC? Let’s say nothing, plan nothing, and do nothing and the NPO will die from the boredom. Well that might just work.

Good job.
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Postby The Seeker of Power » Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:00 am

Malphe wrote:
RiderSyl wrote:
Hey readers and lurkers, don't get all wound up about the pointless, circular arguments going on here. It's just a prank, bro! A social experiment! Don't you know what fun is?!

I mean, there aren't very frequently any really meaningful arguments on the GP forums are they? Most of the important stuff happens in DMs, I think most people read GP more to keep up with the current issues and not because the arguments actually do anything other than run in circles 24/7. I'm honestly having a little difficulty thinking of something big that directly resulted from anything here, I'm sure it's happened but still.

Perfectly stated, Mal
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Postby Lord Dominator » Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:30 am

Pierconium wrote:
Lord Dominator wrote:Or maybe all of the APC's official statements and policies are where the people who actually need to know them are, lol

I could almost believe this except that doesn’t appear to be the case. There doesn’t appear to be any actual policy because each individual region is conducting their own campaign (well, realistically two of the regions with one or two nations doing all the ‘work’ with the poor RMB spam and largely ignored telegram scheme) and the ultimate aims seem different overall.

Unless, of course, disorganisation is the aim of the ‘Organizers’. Maybe that is the goal of the supposed APC? Let’s say nothing, plan nothing, and do nothing and the NPO will die from the boredom. Well that might just work.

Or maybe you're mistaking what the APC is trying to do & how, because you don't actually know what & how that is, and everything is being how they wish ;)

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Postby Pierconium » Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:43 am

Lord Dominator wrote:
Pierconium wrote:I could almost believe this except that doesn’t appear to be the case. There doesn’t appear to be any actual policy because each individual region is conducting their own campaign (well, realistically two of the regions with one or two nations doing all the ‘work’ with the poor RMB spam and largely ignored telegram scheme) and the ultimate aims seem different overall.

Unless, of course, disorganisation is the aim of the ‘Organizers’. Maybe that is the goal of the supposed APC? Let’s say nothing, plan nothing, and do nothing and the NPO will die from the boredom. Well that might just work.

Or maybe you're mistaking what the APC is trying to do & how, because you don't actually know what & how that is, and everything is being how they wish ;)

You are correct, I have no idea what the supposed ‘APC’ is trying to do, mainly because it seems like they are doing nothing.

Suppose they gave a war and nobody came...
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Postby Lord Dominator » Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:57 am

Pierconium wrote:
Lord Dominator wrote:Or maybe you're mistaking what the APC is trying to do & how, because you don't actually know what & how that is, and everything is being how they wish ;)

You are correct, I have no idea what the supposed ‘APC’ is trying to do, mainly because it seems like they are doing nothing.
Suppose they gave a war and nobody came...

There are certain problems in fighting a war in a game that only really allows proxy wars against a regime with nothing to fight a proxy war in (anymore) I imagine :p

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Postby Pierconium » Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:58 pm

Lord Dominator wrote:
Pierconium wrote:You are correct, I have no idea what the supposed ‘APC’ is trying to do, mainly because it seems like they are doing nothing.
Suppose they gave a war and nobody came...

There are certain problems in fighting a war in a game that only really allows proxy wars against a regime with nothing to fight a proxy war in (anymore) I imagine :p

One wonders how anyone could reasonably argue for the destruction of the NPO, government of the Pacific, through proxy wars that do not actually target the Pacific.
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Postby Klaus Devestatorie » Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:20 pm

Just sneak someone into The Red Phone, they reused the server for their initial APC organization efforts. Yes, that one. The one that TSP completely compromised a year ago.

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Postby The Seeker of Power » Sat Feb 16, 2019 10:41 am

Wow... Out last official communique was 9 pages ago... It is nice to know you all love NPO so much that keep bumping our embassy up <3

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Postby Pierconium » Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:19 pm

Klaus Devestatorie wrote:Just sneak someone into The Red Phone, they reused the server for their initial APC organization efforts. Yes, that one. The one that TSP completely compromised a year ago.

Or I can just read blatant revisionism being put out by Europeia. It seems we’ve gotten to them since they have to create imagined battles in order to claim activity on the part of the APC. It is a bit sad, really.
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