Embassy of the NPO

[Jar Wattinree]

Oh wait, hasn't the non-existent APC been doing exactly that?

Rather hard to be taken seriously when criticizing someone you claim doesn't exist

True, it does have life as a meme, so I'll grant you that.

[Lord Dominator]

Rather hard to be taken seriously when criticizing someone you claim doesn't exist

True, it does have life as a meme, so I'll grant you that.

That doesn't make enough sense for me to be able to respond properly

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

TNP would need to suffer some severe instability - probably a coup - and TG recruitment would suddenly have to be effective again, which without a severe handicapping of the current system isn't going to happen.

The Pacific is just fine to have those that wish to swap endorsements to high levels stay in TNP. We have no wish to emulate their practice in this regard.

A liberal endorsement policy and building up the kind of endorsement levels seen in TNP might give TP a chance to prove what some of your... fervent colleagues frequently suggest about the level of happiness members of The Pacific has for the NPO.

But that's none of my business.

[Pierconium]

The Pacific is just fine to have those that wish to swap endorsements to high levels stay in TNP. We have no wish to emulate their practice in this regard.

A liberal endorsement policy and building up the kind of endorsement levels seen in TNP might give TP a chance to prove what some of your... fervent colleagues frequently suggest about the level of happiness members of The Pacific has for the NPO.

But that's none of my business.

I have a difference of opinion regarding the value of endorsements between nations outside of the security of the region and the level of voting impact the Delegate nation has in the WA. I think you need two to propose legislation in the WA (that may not even be correct any longer) but beyond that it serves no practical purpose for the masses to gain additional endorsements. We (the non-Delegate nations) all have exactly the same vote in the WA.

[Pierconium]

Oh wait, hasn't the non-existent APC been doing exactly that?

Rather hard to be taken seriously when criticizing someone you claim doesn't exist

I believe that there are nations acting on behalf of something they have been told is the ‘APC’ but it isn’t exactly clear if this is actually a group or just a fabrication. It certainly has not presented anything representative of a cohesive policy or position beyond some parties claiming to be associated with it but not able to speak for it.

Until such time as a group is identifiable and it becomes a bit clearer that they actually represent something, any and all conflict related discussion with the NPO will need to be on a region to region basis by officials capable and authorised to speak for those regions individually. We simply can’t take the word of singular rogue nations as evidence of the existence of an actual group known as the APC.

[Lord Dominator]

Rather hard to be taken seriously when criticizing someone you claim doesn't exist

I believe that there are nations acting on behalf of something they have been told is the ‘APC’ but it isn’t exactly clear if this is actually a group or just a fabrication. It certainly has not presented anything representative of a cohesive policy or position beyond some parties claiming to be associated with it but not able to speak for it.

Until such time as a group is identifiable and it becomes a bit clearer that they actually represent something, any and all conflict related discussion with the NPO will need to be on a region to region basis by officials capable and authorised to speak for those regions individually. We simply can’t take the word of singular rogue nations as evidence of the existence of an actual group known as the APC.

Ah, just so long as we're clear that you believe the APC doesn't and never exist

[Pierconium]

I believe that there are nations acting on behalf of something they have been told is the ‘APC’ but it isn’t exactly clear if this is actually a group or just a fabrication. It certainly has not presented anything representative of a cohesive policy or position beyond some parties claiming to be associated with it but not able to speak for it.

Until such time as a group is identifiable and it becomes a bit clearer that they actually represent something, any and all conflict related discussion with the NPO will need to be on a region to region basis by officials capable and authorised to speak for those regions individually. We simply can’t take the word of singular rogue nations as evidence of the existence of an actual group known as the APC.

Ah, just so long as we're clear that you believe the APC doesn't and never exist

I don’t need to believe or disbelieve anything. The APC has not ever made any official announcements or statements of policy. Absence of action speaks for itself. Until such time as the APC makes an official statement and identifies itself, the NPO considers it a nonentity and will no longer entertain the notion of supposed cohesion. Regions that have opted to pursue war with the NPO are welcome to treat with us directly.

[Lord Dominator]

Ah, just so long as we're clear that you believe the APC doesn't and never exist

I don’t need to believe or disbelieve anything. The APC has not ever made any official announcements or statements of policy. Absence of action speaks for itself. Until such time as the APC makes an official statement and identifies itself, the NPO considers it a nonentity and will no longer entertain the notion of supposed cohesion. Regions that have opted to pursue war with the NPO are welcome to treat with us directly.

I'm sure said regions will treat the NPO's opinions with the respect they feel them due.

[Pierconium]

I don’t need to believe or disbelieve anything. The APC has not ever made any official announcements or statements of policy. Absence of action speaks for itself. Until such time as the APC makes an official statement and identifies itself, the NPO considers it a nonentity and will no longer entertain the notion of supposed cohesion. Regions that have opted to pursue war with the NPO are welcome to treat with us directly.

I'm sure said regions will treat the NPO's opinions with the respect they feel them due.

I’m sure they will.

[The Tri State Area and Maine]

Ah, just so long as we're clear that you believe the APC doesn't and never exist

I don’t need to believe or disbelieve anything. The APC has not ever made any official announcements or statements of policy. Absence of action speaks for itself. Until such time as the APC makes an official statement and identifies itself, the NPO considers it a nonentity and will no longer entertain the notion of supposed cohesion. Regions that have opted to pursue war with the NPO are welcome to treat with us directly.

I thought the NPO planned to do this regardless of what the APC did or didn't do.

[Cormactopia Prime]

Until such time as a group is identifiable and it becomes a bit clearer that they actually represent something, any and all conflict related discussion with the NPO will need to be on a region to region basis by officials capable and authorised to speak for those regions individually.

The APC is just a coalition of regions. The word "coalition" is in the name. Each region involved speaks for itself and determines its own policies.

I and others have already consistently been saying we represent our regions and don't represent the APC. You and others in the NPO are the ones who keep insisting this person or that person speaks for the APC. No one is asking the NPO to have any "conflict related discussion" on anything but a region-to-region basis. Incidentally, unless I've missed something, I don't think anyone is asking the NPO to have any "conflict related discussion" at all?

[Jar Wattinree]

Until such time as a group is identifiable and it becomes a bit clearer that they actually represent something, any and all conflict related discussion with the NPO will need to be on a region to region basis by officials capable and authorised to speak for those regions individually.

The APC is just a coalition of regions. The word "coalition" is in the name. Each region involved speaks for itself and determines its own policies.

So it is both a group and not a group. It has no defined goal but these "allied" regions have goals which coincidentally happen to be the same. Schrödinger's APC.

[RiderSyl]

So it is both a group and not a group. It has no defined goal but these "allied" regions have goals which coincidentally happen to be the same. Schrödinger's APC.

Look! It almost understands what a coalition is!

We simply can’t take the word of singular rogue nations as evidence of the existence of an actual group known as the APC.

Okay, this is dumb. You've referred to the APC in your own posts in the past. You know it exists.
I do think it's funny how the NPO has gone from "The APC is useless" to "The APC is dead" to "The APC never existed". Pulling some 1984 shit here.

[Cormactopia Prime]

The APC is just a coalition of regions. The word "coalition" is in the name. Each region involved speaks for itself and determines its own policies.

So it is both a group and not a group. It has no defined goal but these "allied" regions have goals which coincidentally happen to be the same. Schrödinger's APC.

You're making this sound like something unusual, but regions work together all the time without an interregional organization that supersedes regional leadership. Almost every military operation involves that kind of voluntary mutual coalition. You don't need an ADN-like interregional organization to work together toward a common goal. Sovereign regions can work together without subjecting themselves to a Pope Hope situation.

[Pierconium]

Until such time as a group is identifiable and it becomes a bit clearer that they actually represent something, any and all conflict related discussion with the NPO will need to be on a region to region basis by officials capable and authorised to speak for those regions individually.

The APC is just a coalition of regions. The word "coalition" is in the name. Each region involved speaks for itself and determines its own policies.

I and others have already consistently been saying we represent our regions and don't represent the APC. You and others in the NPO are the ones who keep insisting this person or that person speaks for the APC. No one is asking the NPO to have any "conflict related discussion" on anything but a region-to-region basis. Incidentally, unless I've missed something, I don't think anyone is asking the NPO to have any "conflict related discussion" at all?

Yes

[Pierconium]

So it is both a group and not a group. It has no defined goal but these "allied" regions have goals which coincidentally happen to be the same. Schrödinger's APC.

Look! It almost understands what a coalition is!

We simply can’t take the word of singular rogue nations as evidence of the existence of an actual group known as the APC.

Okay, this is dumb. You've referred to the APC in your own posts in the past. You know it exists.
I do think it's funny how the NPO has gone from "The APC is useless" to "The APC is dead" to "The APC never existed". Pulling some 1984 shit here.

I have referred to what some have claimed is an ‘APC’ but as it was declared yesterday that such an entity has never made any statement, never formed any policy, and never taken any action, we have decided that such previous proclamation may have been done in bad faith and that such a ‘coalition’ perhaps does not actually exist outside of the imagination of some non-‘Organizers’. I feel sorry for those that have been duped into believing that there is some grand plan behind the tilting. It is a bit sad.

[Armaros]

Apperently the concept of a group of regions working together to achieve the same goal is this hard for Pacificans. I wonder what they understood under allies when they still had them? How did they treat their allies again?

Also, have we reached the point of "I'm going to deny there was ever an enemy. Next there was never subversion and after that never a war."?

[Pierconium]

Apperently the concept of a group of regions working together to achieve the same goal is this hard for Pacificans. I wonder what they understood under allies when they still had them? How did they treat their allies again?

Also, have we reached the point of "I'm going to deny there was ever an enemy. Next there was never subversion and after that never a war."?

Are you an Organizer? If not, how can you state that the regions are ‘working together’? A coalition implies cooperation. Calling a group ‘Organizers’ implies coordination. And yet, no cooperation or coordination is evident. No statements have been made, no policies have been presented, no action has taken place.

Perhaps it isn’t the Pacific that is having a hard time understanding the concept...

[Jar Wattinree]

So it is both a group and not a group. It has no defined goal but these "allied" regions have goals which coincidentally happen to be the same. Schrödinger's APC.

Look! It almost understands what a coalition is!

Are you an Organizer? Do you have any authority to make statements for this non-existent coalition of incompetence? I am shaking in my jackboots before your inconsequential condescension.

[Hesskin Empire]

NPO so used to taking over regions they don't realize sometimes regions work together voluntarily, as friends, to reach a common goal.

When Hartfelden and TBH do a raid we aren't part of a larger group of raiders, we are just raider regions that want to raid etc.

APC is a group of regions that aim to fight the tyranny of the NPO, Hartfelden is a proud member of the APC and will be until we meet our goal.

[Pierconium]

NPO so used to taking over regions they don't realize sometimes regions work together voluntarily, as friends, to reach a common goal.

When Hartfelden and TBH do a raid we aren't part of a larger group of raiders, we are just raider regions that want to raid etc.

APC is a group of regions that aim to fight the tyranny of the NPO, Hartfelden is a proud member of the APC and will be until we meet our goal.

Are you an Organizer?

If not, I would suggest you go find one and ask them to clarify your position for you. When Hartfelden and TBH go on a raid do they call it a ‘coalition’? Do they have a group they call ‘Organizers’? No?

At least the PRC had a plan. At least Gal stood up and said ‘I speak for this group and we are going to do something’. And yet he was made the villain by your compatriots. Misguided as he might have been, he at least stood up. Others in the supposed APC have been alienated as well. There is no coalition.

The peanut gallery likes to pop up, spout some nonsense claiming they are part of something larger and then when they are called on it they hide behind the ‘but I don’t speak for the APC’ schtick.

So who does then? Anyone?

I’ll tell you what, if I were a member of one of these supposed coalition regions I would be asking these same questions in the Discord server or wherever you are hiding. You’ve been sold a bill of goods that won’t ever be delivered upon.

Good luck.

[The Seeker of Power]

Come on, guys, is not hard to follow.

For all of you who say this:

Okay, this is dumb. You've referred to the APC in your own posts in the past. You know it exists.
I do think it's funny how the NPO has gone from "The APC is useless" to "The APC is dead" to "The APC never existed". Pulling some 1984 shit here.

Apperently the concept of a group of regions working together to achieve the same goal is this hard for Pacificans. I wonder what they understood under allies when they still had them? How did they treat their allies again?
Also, have we reached the point of "I'm going to deny there was ever an enemy. Next there was never subversion and after that never a war."?

NPO so used to taking over regions they don't realize sometimes regions work together voluntarily, as friends, to reach a common goal.
When Hartfelden and TBH do a raid we aren't part of a larger group of raiders, we are just raider regions that want to raid etc.
APC is a group of regions that aim to fight the tyranny of the NPO, Hartfelden is a proud member of the APC and will be until we meet our goal.

I answer this:

(sic) No one speaks for the APC except the Organizers collectively when they say they are speaking for the APC -- which as far as I know has never actually happened, because APC Organizers as a collective body have better things to do than criticize the NPO's latest silliness in Gameplay.

You should easily see and recognize that, if the APC can only make statements through a yet-undefined group so-called "The Organizers" (whoever they are) and "The Organizers" have actually never made any kind of statement, then it is logical to assume that the APC does not even exist yet, that such coalition is not really a coalition but just a ghost in the machine, and that nothing of what is said in name of the APC, including all the comments above, can be taken seriously as neither of them is a statement provided by "The Organizers".

APC NON EST!

It isn't hard guys... come on, let it sink in!!!!!

[Darkesia]

I'll just be over here waiting to see if anything has changed. Anything at all. Even a little. I'm willing and hopeful that I can be convinced that something has changed. I know I'm not as sexy as a coalition. But my "heart" aches yet for the plight of Pacificans who seem to be isolated from and frankly disdainful of NS in general.

Y'all need some serious reputation repair and I just don't see it. Instead I see nations calling one another stupid in veiled posts about nothing.

[RiderSyl]

You should easily see and recognize that, if the APC can only make statements through a yet-undefined group so-called "The Organizers" (whoever they are) and "The Organizers" have actually never made any kind of statement, then it is logical to assume that the APC does not even exist yet

No it isn't.

[Pierconium]

I'll just be over here waiting to see if anything has changed. Anything at all. Even a little. I'm willing and hopeful that I can be convinced that something has changed. I know I'm not as sexy as a coalition. But my "heart" aches yet for the plight of Pacificans who seem to be isolated from and frankly disdainful of NS in general.

Y'all need some serious reputation repair and I just don't see it. Instead I see nations calling one another stupid in veiled posts about nothing.

I’m not really sure what to say to this. Mistakes were made (again) and the Emperor and much of the Senate was removed. We have rewritten the Charter to allow for citizen input into the laws and are in the process of adding more options regarding citizen input overall. We have removed Francoism from the government structure and are working towards a removal of it from the culture throughout. I have committed to staying until that is firmly accomplished this time. What constitutes ‘even a little’ to you?

Some parties have called for the NPO to be destroyed. That isn’t going to happen. So long as that is the ultimate aim of any ‘coalition’ then I will respond as I see fit to what I consider outlandish positions.

That said, I do not believe for one moment that the ultimate aims of regions like Lazarus, Osiris, Europeia, Hartfelden, and TBH are all the same. Some regions have expressed surprise at the measures we have taken while others continue to say that nothing short of dismantling the NPO will suffice. What do you think I should do in the face of such a ‘coalition’ that doesn’t have a clear or cohesive agenda? You know I won’t relent.

Also, hello.