Embassy of the NPO

[Cormactopia Prime]

We wouldn’t know, the membership of the APC seems so changeable these days, how would we even find out their opinions?

And yet I remain in the Pacific.

Yes, you remain in the Pacific, where the NPO today ejected 135 natives for no reason. Let's stay on track here. I know that's difficult for you to do, because it turns out you're not very good at defending the indefensible, which is why you constantly deflect and try to talk about other things.

Why does the NPO believe it's okay to indiscriminately eject natives who have done absolutely nothing to warrant ejection?

[Pierconium]

We wouldn’t know, the membership of the APC seems so changeable these days, how would we even find out their opinions?

And yet I remain in the Pacific.

Yes, you remain in the Pacific, where the NPO today ejected 135 natives for no reason. Let's stay on track here. I know that's difficult for you to do, because it turns out you're not very good at defending the indefensible, which is why you constantly deflect and try to talk about other things.

Why does the NPO believe it's okay to indiscriminately eject natives who have done absolutely nothing to warrant ejection?

I have nothing to defend. This is not an unusual practice.

You are welcome to reach out to those 135 nations. I’m sure their high activity levels and engagement with the community around them would be a great asset to the APC.

Good luck!

[Lord Dominator]

Oddly, that wouldn't seem to answer the given question

[Pierconium]

Oddly, that wouldn't seem to answer the given question

Which question?

[The Gilded Star]

I'm curious at the method of choice to lower Aleisyr's influence. I assume the intent was to do it more or less instantaneously and keep him fully present in The Pacific.

Given they were only banned, they're presumably allowed back in anyways, so not much harm to really be had

Can either clarify what you mean by these statements?

Late response at this point, but what I mean is that kicking the however many nations to drop influence seems awkward. If Aleisyr took a vacation to one of the NPO's password-protected regions (like his own created and aptly named The New Pacific Order), his influence in The Pacific should decay quickly (depending on how the decay is calculated anyway), but he'd be obviously absent from The Pacific meanwhile, which maybe y'all didn't want for security reasons.

Alternatively I've read that nations can kick themselves from their own region to instantly halve their influence, but I don't have any experience with that tactic to know how it works.

That being said, this isn't intended as some sort of criticism or attack of how it was done, mind you.

[Jar Wattinree]

Can either clarify what you mean by these statements?

Late response at this point, but what I mean is that kicking the however many nations to drop influence seems awkward. If Aleisyr took a vacation to one of the NPO's password-protected regions (like his own created and aptly named The New Pacific Order), his influence in The Pacific should decay quickly (depending on how the decay is calculated anyway), but he'd be obviously absent from The Pacific meanwhile, which maybe y'all didn't want for security reasons.

Alternatively I've read that nations can kick themselves from their own region to instantly halve their influence, but I don't have any experience with that tactic to know how it works.

That being said, this isn't intended as some sort of criticism or attack of how it was done, mind you.

Thank you for the response.

[Myrth]

Hail Pacifica!

Thank you!

This is correct. The nations removed were not banned. The highest influence non-WA nations were targeted. Aleisyr’s remaining Influence will decay as East Durthang’s continues to grow.

So just to be clear, the NPO indiscriminately ejected natives of the Pacific who had done nothing to warrant ejection, just to reduce Aleisyr's influence?

And yet you ask why others consider the NPO to be a dictatorial regime that has no legitimate right to govern the Pacific. There's part of the answer.

Oh do give it a rest, Cormac. The NPO is the sole legitimate government of the Pacific and has that right purely by holding the position of WA delegate, boosted by the fact that we've held it for 16+ years. "Not being liked by Cormac" fortunately isn't the baseline for the legitimacy of a government. Here I thought the days of crybabies forming "governments in exile" and the like died a death back in 2004 but I guess I was wrong!

[Cormactopia Prime]

Here I thought the days of crybabies forming "governments in exile" and the like died a death back in 2004 but I guess I was wrong!

Who has formed a government-in-exile?

[Wycliffe]

Thank you!


So just to be clear, the NPO indiscriminately ejected natives of the Pacific who had done nothing to warrant ejection, just to reduce Aleisyr's influence?

And yet you ask why others consider the NPO to be a dictatorial regime that has no legitimate right to govern the Pacific. There's part of the answer.

Oh do give it a rest, Cormac. The NPO is the sole legitimate government of the Pacific and has that right purely by holding the position of WA delegate, boosted by the fact that we've held it for 16+ years. "Not being liked by Cormac" fortunately isn't the baseline for the legitimacy of a government. Here I thought the days of crybabies forming "governments in exile" and the like died a death back in 2004 but I guess I was wrong!

ITT: Myrth declares that the best reason he can give for dispassionately removing Pacifican natives to speed up the new leader's ascendance is "because I said so".

[RiderSyl]

Where's your shitposting now Syl? Going to complain about the flag next?

Huh? The flag looks fine. Boring, but fine.

Congrats to the Emperor for finally getting his throne. Took 'em long enough.

[RiderSyl]

Also, holy shit. The whole "natives getting kicked" thing was something I was gonna overlook because I figured it was a few of them. Not 100+ nations.

I didn't realize "burning influence" meant griefing your own region.

[Jar Wattinree]

Also, holy shit. The whole "natives getting kicked" thing was something I was gonna overlook because I figured it was a few of them. Not 100+ nations.

I didn't realize "burning influence" meant griefing your own region.

[Elegarth]

Someone please show me an official document, treaty or guide that says that Cormac's opinion defines what is legitimate in this realm? I thought the delegacy defined it, but who am I to follow Max rules? *rolling eyes*

[RiderSyl]

Also, holy shit. The whole "natives getting kicked" thing was something I was gonna overlook because I figured it was a few of them. Not 100+ nations.

I didn't realize "burning influence" meant griefing your own region.

Literally over 100 nations ejected from The Pacific. Y'all griefed your own region just to get Ale's influence down.

[Cormactopia Prime]

Someone please show me an official document, treaty or guide that says that Cormac's opinion defines what is legitimate in this realm? I thought the delegacy defined it, but who am I to follow Max rules? *rolling eyes*

I take it you're fine with ejecting 135 native nations for no reason but to burn influence? Disgraceful.

[RiderSyl]

As much as I'd love to think the APC somehow rushed the NPO into making this mistake, I know this is just another fuck-up by the NPO.

When you've got a coalition against you that accuses you of being a government that does more harm to your region than good, and your plan to transition your delegacy includes harming your region, then you're just being stupid with that.

135 ejections, of issues-answerers and roleplayers? Fucking really? Well, thanks for the free ammunition. Jesus.

[RiderSyl]

And I'm going to take a minute here for some self-awareness. I know that Cormac and I are your usual voices from the peanut gallery of this forum. This time, though, there's really something serious there. We aren't crying wolf, there's an actual wolf here. If TBH did this, or any other UCR, they'd be universally condemned forever. This is a lot of innocent players getting kicked out of their home. Check into it for yourself. This is something that shouldn't go unnoticed just because of who's pointing it out.

[Pierconium]

And I'm going to take a minute here for some self-awareness. I know that Cormac and I are your usual voices from the peanut gallery of this forum. This time, though, there's really something serious there. We aren't crying wolf, there's an actual wolf here. If TBH did this, or any other UCR, they'd be universally condemned forever. This is a lot of innocent players getting kicked out of their home. Check into it for yourself. This is something that shouldn't go unnoticed just because of who's pointing it out.

Nothing was griefed. First, because griefing is no longer a thing. Second, because by definition, when it was a thing, griefing was the removal of all native nations (or at least a significant percentage of them). Third, because griefing was deemed impossible in a feeder both pre- and post-Influence.

If TBH raided a region and kicked less than 2% of the population, which is what happened here, no one would give a damn, because that is a ridiculous thing to get upset about.

[Armaros]

And I'm going to take a minute here for some self-awareness. I know that Cormac and I are your usual voices from the peanut gallery of this forum. This time, though, there's really something serious there. We aren't crying wolf, there's an actual wolf here. If TBH did this, or any other UCR, they'd be universally condemned forever. This is a lot of innocent players getting kicked out of their home. Check into it for yourself. This is something that shouldn't go unnoticed just because of who's pointing it out.

Nothing was griefed. First, because griefing is no longer a thing. Second, because by definition, when it was a thing, griefing was the removal of all native nations (or at least a significant percentage of them). Third, because griefing was deemed impossible in a feeder both pre- and post-Influence.

If TBH raided a region and kicked less than 2% of the population, which is what happened here, no one would give a damn, because that is a ridiculous thing to get upset about.

TSP disagreed, and very loudly I might add, with everything you said when it happened to Lazarus last year. Which reminds me, where are they? They should be just as upset here as they were back then, no?

[Pierconium]

TSP disagreed, and very loudly I might add, with everything you said when it happened to Lazarus last year. Which reminds me, where are they? They should be just as upset here as they were back then, no?

I don’t speak for TSP and I wasn’t here last year so I’m not familiar with the circumstances. I didn’t realise Lazarus focused the majority of its influence in the Delegate nation and limited the amount of influence it allowed other nations in the region to gain.

Of course, just off the top of my head without reading it, I would speculate (and it is just speculation that may be incorrect) that some of the disagreement was that Lazarus purported to be democratic and acted in an undemocratic fashion. We make no such claims.

I took a quick look and I believe you are talking about LWU in Lazarus from April of last year, correct? If so, I think raider/defender politicking had more to do with the relative positions than anything else. Also, I could not find raw numbers of my quick search, how many nations were ejected then and what was the total pre-ejection population of Lazarus? Just curious. Not that it actually matters, the circumstances are quite different and whataboutism doesn’t really fit here.

[Old Hope]

And I'm going to take a minute here for some self-awareness. I know that Cormac and I are your usual voices from the peanut gallery of this forum. This time, though, there's really something serious there. We aren't crying wolf, there's an actual wolf here. If TBH did this, or any other UCR, they'd be universally condemned forever. This is a lot of innocent players getting kicked out of their home. Check into it for yourself. This is something that shouldn't go unnoticed just because of who's pointing it out.

That's wrong.
If TBH would eject(not ban) all nations who aren't active in their region no one whould be surprised. Nor would most people have anything against it.
The reason is simple: These people weren't active in the community, they can always come back if they are suddenly interested in partipiciation in The Pacific(they weren't banned), and the place of residence has no effect on being able to answer issues. "Over 100 nations were ejected" sounds bad, but isn't, really.

[The Gilded Star]

If TBH raided a region and kicked less than 2% of the population, which is what happened here

Misleading Newspaper Headline: "The Pacific Raided and Sacked by The Black Hawk, says NPO Consul".

[Pierconium]

If TBH raided a region and kicked less than 2% of the population, which is what happened here

Misleading Newspaper Headline: "The Pacific Raided and Sacked by The Black Hawk, says NPO Consul".

This made me smile.

[Yokiria]

griefing is no longer a thing.

Incorrect.

[Pierconium]

griefing is no longer a thing.

Incorrect.

Please educate me with a game defined meaning then.