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RiderSyl
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Postby RiderSyl » Sun Feb 10, 2019 12:40 am

Well, I guess that means Aleisyr is going to resign WA any minute now. Right?...

... Right?
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Pierconium
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Postby Pierconium » Sun Feb 10, 2019 1:00 am

The transition is imminent. Not sure why some people feel that it is a necessity that we cater to your whims. I stated very clearly that East Durthang will be at 50k before the transition takes place, not that the transition must take place exactly on the update in which he gains that amount. Some people have this thing called ‘real life’ (whatever that is) and Saturday night/Sunday morning aren’t the best for their online activity. But sure, make this about something else. You can probably see that Aleisyr was online a few hours before the update, when ED would have still been below 50k, and that ED hasn’t been online for almost a full day. There are logistic aspects to consider as well, like the burning of Aleisyr’s influence.

But again, thank you for your concern.
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RiderSyl
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Postby RiderSyl » Sun Feb 10, 2019 7:43 am

That's a lot of nitpicking and excuses, none of which change the fact your Emperor still isn't Delegate.

The transition has been "imminent" for months, and the NPO just keeps kicking the can down the road. We're now at the "burning of Aleisyr's influence" stage. Pretty soon we'll be at the "making sure the Senators have the right influence" stage, then the "making sure the Emperor is properly dressed for the throne" stage. Eventually, you're going to run out of reasons he's not Delegate, and that is when things will get super interesting.
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Grater Tovakia
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Postby Grater Tovakia » Sun Feb 10, 2019 7:46 am

RiderSyl wrote:That's a lot of nitpicking and excuses, none of which change the fact your Emperor still isn't Delegate.

The transition has been "imminent" for months, and the NPO just keeps kicking the can down the road. We're now at the "burning of Aleisyr's influence" stage. Pretty soon we'll be at the "making sure the Senators have the right influence" stage, then the "making sure the Emperor is properly dressed for the throne" stage. You're going to run out of made-up reasons he's not delegate eventually, then things will get very interesting.


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RiderSyl
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Postby RiderSyl » Sun Feb 10, 2019 7:55 am

A pancake breakfast at the NPO's place would be crazy. Imagine not being able to thank the host for such a nice breakfast, because everyone keeps insisting that the host's neighbor is actually the one in charge. :blink:
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Pierconium
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Postby Pierconium » Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:46 am

RiderSyl wrote:That's a lot of nitpicking and excuses, none of which change the fact your Emperor still isn't Delegate.

The transition has been "imminent" for months, and the NPO just keeps kicking the can down the road. We're now at the "burning of Aleisyr's influence" stage. Pretty soon we'll be at the "making sure the Senators have the right influence" stage, then the "making sure the Emperor is properly dressed for the throne" stage. Eventually, you're going to run out of reasons he's not Delegate, and that is when things will get super interesting.

You are incorrect.

I have consistently stated that the transition will take place after we decide East Durthang has sufficient Influence. My advice has always been that this will be after it crosses the 50k threshold. So, now is when the active phase of the transition begins. Your comments don’t actually change anything.

When the Delegate transfer has concluded over the next few days what will the APC echo chambers be harping on then?
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Postby Pierconium » Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:07 am

Oh look....
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Postby Airengard » Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:47 am

RiderSyl wrote:That's a lot of nitpicking and excuses, none of which change the fact your Emperor still isn't Delegate.

The transition has been "imminent" for months, and the NPO just keeps kicking the can down the road. We're now at the "burning of Aleisyr's influence" stage. Pretty soon we'll be at the "making sure the Senators have the right influence" stage, then the "making sure the Emperor is properly dressed for the throne" stage. Eventually, you're going to run out of reasons he's not Delegate, and that is when things will get super interesting.

Well... these words came back to kick your rear quick, didn't they?
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Lord Dominator
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Postby Lord Dominator » Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:49 am

Not enough purging 6/10

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Roavin
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Postby Roavin » Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:56 am

Lord Dominator wrote:Not enough purging 6/10


135 ain't bad.
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Postby Lord Dominator » Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:58 am

Roavin wrote:
Lord Dominator wrote:Not enough purging 6/10


135 ain't bad.

Pssh, Ale still has another 120k influence that could've been burned

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Bhang Bhang Duc
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Sun Feb 10, 2019 12:34 pm

Congratulations to East Durthang on his ascension.

Hail Pacifica!

Nothing like a nice purge by the way. :)
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Postby Drop Your Pants » Sun Feb 10, 2019 12:39 pm

Where's your shitposting now Syl? Going to complain about the flag next? :rofl:
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Lord Dominator
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Postby Lord Dominator » Sun Feb 10, 2019 1:27 pm

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:Hail Pacifica!

I'm sure Topid & Cormac appreciate it ;)

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The Gilded Star
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Ex-Nation

Postby The Gilded Star » Sun Feb 10, 2019 1:37 pm

I'm curious at the method of choice to lower Aleisyr's influence. I assume the intent was to do it more or less instantaneously and keep him fully present in The Pacific.

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Lord Dominator
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Postby Lord Dominator » Sun Feb 10, 2019 1:40 pm

The Gilded Star wrote:I'm curious at the method of choice to lower Aleisyr's influence. I assume the intent was to do it more or less instantaneously and keep him fully present in The Pacific.

Given they were only banned, they're presumably allowed back in anyways, so not much harm to really be had :p

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Jar Wattinree
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Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Jar Wattinree » Sun Feb 10, 2019 1:42 pm

The Gilded Star wrote:I'm curious at the method of choice to lower Aleisyr's influence. I assume the intent was to do it more or less instantaneously and keep him fully present in The Pacific.

Lord Dominator wrote:Given they were only banned, they're presumably allowed back in anyways, so not much harm to really be had :p

Can either clarify what you mean by these statements?
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Postby Lord Dominator » Sun Feb 10, 2019 2:01 pm

Jar Wattinree wrote:
The Gilded Star wrote:I'm curious at the method of choice to lower Aleisyr's influence. I assume the intent was to do it more or less instantaneously and keep him fully present in The Pacific.

Lord Dominator wrote:Given they were only banned, they're presumably allowed back in anyways, so not much harm to really be had :p

Can either clarify what you mean by these statements?

Referring to the 135 nations Ale ejected to knock off ~60k influence just before the transition (my mistake on saying banned originally)

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Postby Pierconium » Sun Feb 10, 2019 2:04 pm

Lord Dominator wrote:
Jar Wattinree wrote:
Can either clarify what you mean by these statements?

Referring to the 135 nations Ale ejected to knock off ~60k influence just before the transition (my mistake on saying banned originally)

This is correct. The nations removed were not banned. The highest influence non-WA nations were targeted. Aleisyr’s remaining Influence will decay as East Durthang’s continues to grow.
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Cormactopia Prime
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Ex-Nation

Postby Cormactopia Prime » Sun Feb 10, 2019 2:55 pm

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:Hail Pacifica!

Thank you!

Pierconium wrote:
Lord Dominator wrote:Referring to the 135 nations Ale ejected to knock off ~60k influence just before the transition (my mistake on saying banned originally)

This is correct. The nations removed were not banned. The highest influence non-WA nations were targeted. Aleisyr’s remaining Influence will decay as East Durthang’s continues to grow.

So just to be clear, the NPO indiscriminately ejected natives of the Pacific who had done nothing to warrant ejection, just to reduce Aleisyr's influence?

And yet you ask why others consider the NPO to be a dictatorial regime that has no legitimate right to govern the Pacific. There's part of the answer.
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Old Hope
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Postby Old Hope » Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:09 pm

Cormactopia Prime wrote:So just to be clear, the NPO indiscriminately ejected natives of the Pacific who had done nothing to warrant ejection, just to reduce Aleisyr's influence?

Pierconium wrote:This is correct. The nations removed were not banned. The highest influence non-WA nations were targeted. Aleisyr’s remaining Influence will decay as East Durthang’s continues to grow.

I'm not someone who can speak for The Pacific, but nations without WA status resident in the Pacific for a longer time can probably be removed for violating Section 201 of the Civil Code of the Pacific.
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Cormactopia Prime
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Postby Cormactopia Prime » Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:31 pm

Old Hope wrote:
Cormactopia Prime wrote:So just to be clear, the NPO indiscriminately ejected natives of the Pacific who had done nothing to warrant ejection, just to reduce Aleisyr's influence?

Pierconium wrote:This is correct. The nations removed were not banned. The highest influence non-WA nations were targeted. Aleisyr’s remaining Influence will decay as East Durthang’s continues to grow.

I'm not someone who can speak for The Pacific, but nations without WA status resident in the Pacific for a longer time can probably be removed for violating Section 201 of the Civil Code of the Pacific.

Any "Civil Code" that mandates punishment of people for doing nothing but sitting there and peacefully answering their issues is illegitimate. Any Feeder regime that ejects natives for just existing is illegitimate. Feeders serve a purpose in this game, to be welcoming to new players that spawn in the Feeders. By treating natives of the Pacific this way, the NPO is acting contrary to its purpose as a Feeder, to the detriment of new players and ultimately the game.

Not that we should be surprised, given that the new Emperor and so many who now participate in the NPO are players from other games who have nothing but contempt for the game we're playing and the people playing it. We're all just "worthless pawns," after all -- why should they care?

The Pacific deserves better. New players deserve better. NationStates deserves better. Why won't you all just run along to CN and PnW and give the Pacific back to people who actually play NationStates and care about the players who are peacefully existing in the Pacific and not doing anyone any harm?
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Pierconium
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Postby Pierconium » Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:32 pm

Cormactopia Prime wrote:
Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:Hail Pacifica!

Thank you!

Pierconium wrote:This is correct. The nations removed were not banned. The highest influence non-WA nations were targeted. Aleisyr’s remaining Influence will decay as East Durthang’s continues to grow.

So just to be clear, the NPO indiscriminately ejected natives of the Pacific who had done nothing to warrant ejection, just to reduce Aleisyr's influence?

And yet you ask why others consider the NPO to be a dictatorial regime that has no legitimate right to govern the Pacific. There's part of the answer.

Non-WAs that were likely puppets and have not been banned from returning.

Regardless, I never ask such a thing because it is a preposterous position for any reasonable nation to take.

And yet you ask why others consider the APC a joke.
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Cormactopia Prime
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Ex-Nation

Postby Cormactopia Prime » Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:39 pm

Pierconium wrote:Non-WAs that were likely puppets and have not been banned from returning.

I didn't know issue answerers -- the vast majority of people who play this game -- were all "likely puppets."

Pierconium wrote:Regardless, I never ask such a thing because it is a preposterous position for any reasonable nation to take.

What's preposterous is the NPO treating natives of the Pacific like literal garbage and then asserting any legitimate right to govern the Pacific.

Pierconium wrote:And yet you ask why others consider the APC a joke.

I don't particularely care what the NPO and its friends in The East Pacific and the South Pacific think, and I doubt much of anyone in the APC does.

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Pierconium
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Postby Pierconium » Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:44 pm

Cormactopia Prime wrote:
Pierconium wrote:Non-WAs that were likely puppets and have not been banned from returning.

I didn't know issue answerers -- the vast majority of people who play this game -- were all "likely puppets."

Pierconium wrote:Regardless, I never ask such a thing because it is a preposterous position for any reasonable nation to take.

What's preposterous is the NPO treating natives of the Pacific like literal garbage and then asserting any legitimate right to govern the Pacific.

Pierconium wrote:And yet you ask why others consider the APC a joke.

I don't particularely care what the NPO and its friends in The East Pacific and the South Pacific think, and I doubt much of anyone in the APC does.

We wouldn’t know, the membership of the APC seems so changeable these days, how would we even find out their opinions?

And yet I remain in the Pacific.
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