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by Elegarth » Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:40 pm
by Jar Wattinree » Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:41 pm
The Tri State Area and Maine wrote:Citizens don't even gain any more power. I guess they can formally suggest stuff to the Emperor, but that's about it.
If anything, this probably worsens the issue of democracy, as the Emperor now has a way to figure out who the opposition is.
by East Durthang » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:02 pm
The Tri State Area and Maine wrote:Citizens don't even gain any more power. I guess they can formally suggest stuff to the Emperor, but that's about it.
If anything, this probably worsens the issue of democracy, as the Emperor now has a way to figure out who the opposition is.
by The Gilded Star » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:09 pm
East Durthang wrote:Barring exceptional circumstances, the Emperor will also serve as the World Assembly Delegate.
by Lord Dominator » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:42 pm
by Pierconium » Fri Feb 01, 2019 12:23 am
Lord Dominator wrote:At least the indication that there's a move towards some form of standard ruling format is nice
by Old Hope » Fri Feb 01, 2019 2:48 am
Cormactopia Prime wrote:I see we're still doing the reform act. Yawn.
Imperium Anglorum wrote:The format wars are a waste of time.
by Malphe » Fri Feb 01, 2019 3:18 am
by Frattastan IV » Fri Feb 01, 2019 5:19 am
Draganisia wrote:Also it seems the next war could be NPO fighting directly against Pacifica.
by Cormactopia Prime » Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:44 am
by Big Bad Badger » Fri Feb 01, 2019 1:06 pm
by Cormactopia Prime » Fri Feb 01, 2019 1:09 pm
Big Bad Badger wrote:This is getting to be a tiresome tirade, Cormac. Time to find a new windmill to chase.
by The Seeker of Power » Fri Feb 01, 2019 1:53 pm
Frattastan IV wrote:I have hazy memories of something similar happening under Krulltopia too.
Don't remember the extent of it or whether there was a special announcement, but "Founder: Francos Spain" and "birthplace of The New Pacific Order" were removed from the WFE, and the Pacific signed up to the "Sovereign Confederation" (an alliance with UCRs - Gatesville, Equilism... and Unknown?). Hence, this.
Cormactopia Prime wrote:Big Bad Badger wrote:This is getting to be a tiresome tirade, Cormac. Time to find a new windmill to chase.
I suppose Malphe and Fratt were just tilting at windmills as well? Or perhaps all three of us were making salient points about the NPO's history.
I have no intention of dropping my opposition to the NPO because anyone is bored with it. Neither does Pacifica. We don't exist for your entertainment.
by Myrth » Fri Feb 01, 2019 1:57 pm
Cormactopia Prime wrote:We don't exist for your entertainment.
by Pierconium » Fri Feb 01, 2019 2:02 pm
Cormactopia Prime wrote:We don't exist for your entertainment.
by Malphe » Fri Feb 01, 2019 2:53 pm
by Pierconium » Fri Feb 01, 2019 3:04 pm
Malphe wrote:Pierconium wrote:Edit: Myrth beat me to it.
Anyway, why would our ‘backs be against the wall’? Things are going fairly well for the Pacific these days.
Regardless, there are more changes in the works. Stay tuned.
I think a lot of the mentality about the current changes is that it's just a part of the cycle. NPO gets into big controversy, makes changes to save face, once it's in a more comfortable position it reverts to the old positions with Francoism and more authority to the Emperor, all that stuff, does all the same things and gets into another big controversy. Personally I can't really poke a big hole in that mentality, beyond that hopefully it doesn't ring true this time around.
(Looking forward to future developments n stuff btw)
by The Notorious Mad Jack » Fri Feb 01, 2019 5:49 pm
The Seeker of Power wrote:You are right, they exist for YOUR entertainment, while you decide to coup Osiris again, or throw another tantrum somewhere else. The joke here, and I say it without any intent to offend you, as you know I personally appreciate you, C, is that you are NOT BETTER than the people who took the changes Ivan had made and undid them. You are not better than Perg, you are not better than Feux. You simply have a better way to pretend a moral highground.
by Unibot III » Fri Feb 01, 2019 5:53 pm
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by Zaolat » Fri Feb 01, 2019 6:33 pm
Unibot III wrote:
- "The Emperor and Regent cannot be expelled from the Order by Body Republic vote. The Emperor can pardon any member that is expelled via this process. The Emperor can expel any member without a vote."
- "The Emperor can create, alter, or abolish any office; appoint or dismiss any member of the Order to any office; and delegate power to any office to the extent that he or she deems appropriate. Such offices may, at the Emperor's discretion, create subordinate positions, delegate power to said positions, and appoint members of the Order to them."
- "The Emperor must consent to all amendments to the Charter. If the Emperor vetoes an amendment, he or she must publicly explain the reasons for the veto to the Body Republic."
The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:This is an interesting take. Perg, Feux and friends took the time to infiltrate several communities, abusing them again and again repeatedly for their own kicks. Say whatever you like about Cormac, but I don't think you'd find him masquerading as a prominent member of any community under an assumed name.
This seems like a false equivalence.
Cormactopia Prime wrote:Everything is something minor when it's all happened, and been reversed, before. Francoism has been removed from the NPO's documentation before. The NPO has given its citizens more input in the past. Many of these changes did occur after controversy, only to be later reversed. I'm not falling into the trap of believing all this nonsense again only to find later, just as the last time and the time before that, that it's just another sham.
There is nothing remarkable about any of this. This is what the NPO does when its back is against the wall to try to fool the regions it no doubt continues to target for subversion and will target for subversion in the future into complacency. Nobody should care about any of this, or fall for any of it -- least of all the user-created regions that the NPO has, throughout nearly its entire history, dismissed as part of the "Feederite diaspora" at best or "userite" subversives at worst. They can take Francoism out of their charter, but they can't take it out of their history. The Francoist worldview is deeply embedded in the political culture of the NPO. You can't embrace an ideology for 15 years and then just remove it from a constitution and declare it dead. That's not how communities of people work. Top-down change like this will last for one Emperor, at best, and that's assuming this isn't all just an intentional scam.
by Ryccia » Fri Feb 01, 2019 6:49 pm
by Jar Wattinree » Fri Feb 01, 2019 6:52 pm
Ryccia wrote:So...this "Constitution" gives the Emperor absolute, unchecked power...
by Zaolat » Fri Feb 01, 2019 7:00 pm
Ryccia wrote:So...this "Constitution" gives the Emperor absolute, unchecked power...
In other news, the sun rose this morning. What is even the purpose of this faux-reform? The changes here, apart from the formal removal of Francoism from their Constitution, are cosmetic and thus irrelevant. As far as I know, a culture that has helped to create the rampant violation of sovereignty of many regions by the NPO remains, and putting on make-up will not serve to alter this norm. This is just a repeated strategy, a tale in the making:
Step 1: NPO flagrantly violates the sovereignty of other regions and interferes in their affairs.
Step 2: People, including victims, either find out or are directly impacted by this subversion and manipulation.
Step 3: NPO "apologizes" to the world, "promising" to "reform" (Note: May include purging of some people, but the system is unchanged).
Step 4: NPO hopes that cosmetic changes fool the world once more, and that things cool down after a while.
Step 5: Repeat
Well, guess what, it will not work this time. I surely hope so. For the NPO to be ever trusted again, for it to ever change, it must suffer a drastic and radical transformation. Otherwise, even if it is somehow unintentional, it is doomed to recycle this old and tired tactic. What a shame.
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