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by Kazaman » Tue Jul 05, 2022 1:11 pm
by Reventus Koth » Tue Jul 05, 2022 1:26 pm
Kazaman wrote:In the interests of diplomacy and disclosure, Balder calls upon the Brotherhood of Malice to respond to the allegation made concerning Operation Ragnarok, to explain their rationale, and, if there is no denial of the claim, to comment on whether it has been abandoned. We believe that this would be the bare minimum action required to be rehabilitated as a respectable entity in interregional politics, a region that others can engage with diplomatically.
Xanthal wrote:Only raiders can win in this war- a defender can keep them from winning one region, one update at a time, but there will always be the next region, the next update, and the next, forever.
by Goobergunchia II » Wed Jul 06, 2022 7:39 pm
Kazaman wrote:Balder was disappointed to hear of Operation Ragnarok some time ago. This plot by the Brotherhood of Malice to undermine the Realm of Balder represents a fundamental disrespect for the rule of law and regional sovereignty. The Brotherhood's disrespect is not simply a matter of their command structure having ambitions of power, but, as demonstrated by the logs published in Quebecshire's article, it is reflected in the culture of their entire region.
by Kazaman » Sun Sep 25, 2022 2:21 pm
by WayNeacTia » Sun Sep 25, 2022 2:33 pm
RiderSyl wrote:You'd really think that defenders would communicate with each other about this. I know they're not a hivemind, but at least some level of PR skill would keep Quebecshire and Quebecshire from publically contradicting eac
wait
by Astrobolt » Sun Sep 25, 2022 4:05 pm
by Goobergunchia » Mon Sep 26, 2022 9:35 pm
North East Somerset wrote:Your arguments are like that of a pet parrot squawking the same old one liners from 2017. Your master has not had much time for you of late have they? Balder hasn't been imperialist for over half a decade, and Onder retired from executive duty over a year ago. They need to teach you some new phrases. Polly want a cracker?
by North East Somerset » Tue Sep 27, 2022 5:00 am
Goobergunchia wrote:(Bringing this here because it has little to do with The League.)North East Somerset wrote:Your arguments are like that of a pet parrot squawking the same old one liners from 2017. Your master has not had much time for you of late have they? Balder hasn't been imperialist for over half a decade, and Onder retired from executive duty over a year ago. They need to teach you some new phrases. Polly want a cracker?
For those of us who don't pay close attention anymore -- what exactly does being the Prince of Jomsborg entail?
by Reventus Koth » Tue Sep 27, 2022 6:42 am
North East Somerset wrote:The fact so many people keep citing his current influence in Balder is a testament to a combination of the fear in which they regard such an effective and historic player, and their own ignorance and hatred of Balder. Often this is in the form of a blind hatred promulgated by a small clique of players - mainly from Osiris, who were led by their Emperor with No Clothes; Cormac, in a fraudulent fervour that they could use their (now, former) social influence to grind Balder into the ground - in reality this process has backfired and inflicted nothing but misery on themselves. They are joined in an unholy alliance with their supposed ideological enemy - a minority of ex-FRA/UDL players/sympathisers who can’t let go of the past, as they themselves have become increasingly irrelevant within their cause. Sometimes they are also joined by others who have historically had a quarrel with Onder and again seem to be prepared to sacrifice everything they supposedly stand for in order to have a swing at what is ultimately a retired player. They are swinging at a shadow, wasting their time and energy to defeat something that is not there. It is amusing, but sad. Time for you all to move on.
Xanthal wrote:Only raiders can win in this war- a defender can keep them from winning one region, one update at a time, but there will always be the next region, the next update, and the next, forever.
by North East Somerset » Tue Sep 27, 2022 7:02 am
Reventus Koth wrote:North East Somerset wrote:The fact so many people keep citing his current influence in Balder is a testament to a combination of the fear in which they regard such an effective and historic player, and their own ignorance and hatred of Balder. Often this is in the form of a blind hatred promulgated by a small clique of players - mainly from Osiris, who were led by their Emperor with No Clothes; Cormac, in a fraudulent fervour that they could use their (now, former) social influence to grind Balder into the ground - in reality this process has backfired and inflicted nothing but misery on themselves. They are joined in an unholy alliance with their supposed ideological enemy - a minority of ex-FRA/UDL players/sympathisers who can’t let go of the past, as they themselves have become increasingly irrelevant within their cause. Sometimes they are also joined by others who have historically had a quarrel with Onder and again seem to be prepared to sacrifice everything they supposedly stand for in order to have a swing at what is ultimately a retired player. They are swinging at a shadow, wasting their time and energy to defeat something that is not there. It is amusing, but sad. Time for you all to move on.
Project harder. You want to talk about blind hatred and inability to move on? Rose Weisberg's career in the LKE was basically over the moment she decided she was going to try to bury the hatchet between LKE and Osiris. The mere sight of the Sekhmet Legion on a raided region's WFE was enough to make any endos associated with you flee the scene faster than a deadbeat making a cigarette run, even after they were already committed in A Liberal Haven.
Moving on would take buy-in from both sides of the table, and that concept never appealed to you.
by Reventus Koth » Tue Sep 27, 2022 7:41 am
North East Somerset wrote:But that makes no sense whatsoever, we are talking about Balder here not LKE. I would have loved to bury the hatchet, but it is Osiris whose deliberate and conscious hostility pushed us away, time and time again. For months if not years during the reign of Solorni and for the first part of my tenure, we tolerated and tried to ignore the constant criticisms and attacks from Osiris and your ilk, towards Balder - on the understanding that our interests were at some level intertwined as sister sinkers, as former allies, and as parties that both engaged from time to time in raiding activities. We even sat down around the table with Osiris, and they promised to make right the quarrels of the past. But then they reneged on these promises and the opportunities for concord, because the controlling influence of you and Altino pushed them away from that path towards one of continued hostility at any cost.
Balder offered terms for that - which Osiris agreed to without identifying either any objection to specific elements or any equivalent actions/comments by Balder. The agreement was made, and it was just a question of implementation. However, Osiris subsequently engaged in stalling, raising things that were not requested to abstain from doing what was agreed, and then - after a long period (months) - on being queried on the apparent slow progress, randomly PNGing the King of Balder (me) in an act of blatant hostility. And so we said, at that point, enough is enough, we do not have to co-operate militarily with you - and we will withdraw from those who do so. Osiris has had so many opportunities to move on - yet it chooses the path of hatred - of malice.
And the price of that is you have lost everything you once had, and have only yourselves to blame. It's not just Balder that Osiris has isolated with its malice. You have lost all but one of your GCR allies, and most of the social influence you once had through NSGP. You cannot sit here before me and say you did not choose the path of malice. Because you have explicitely done that at every opportunity, and at any cost. Your feeble attempts now at playing the victim whilst simoultaneously seeking to stand on the neck of those who are misfortunate enough to cross paths and trip over before you, does not wash, you are not Cormac and do not have the political skill to carry out his manoeuvres - indeed even his hypocrisy had an expiry date.
Xanthal wrote:Only raiders can win in this war- a defender can keep them from winning one region, one update at a time, but there will always be the next region, the next update, and the next, forever.
by Quebecshire » Tue Sep 27, 2022 7:44 am
Reventus Koth wrote:And keep Cormac's name out of your fucking mouth, by the way. They only aren't here today because they self-DoSed as a form of protest over TRR's trans moderator(s) not being able to mute transphobes, not because of some imagined expiration date.
Benevolent Thomas wrote:I founded a defender organization out of my dislike of invaders, what invading represents, and my desire to see them suffer.
Pergamon wrote:I must say, you are truly what they deserve.
by Reventus Koth » Tue Sep 27, 2022 7:53 am
Quebecshire wrote:Reventus Koth wrote:And keep Cormac's name out of your fucking mouth, by the way. They only aren't here today because they self-DoSed as a form of protest over TRR's trans moderator(s) not being able to mute transphobes, not because of some imagined expiration date.
Cormac did so at a time where he was largely politically irrelevant, and his strategies and their success had long overstayed their welcome. He couldn't even handle building Entropy, his final of a couple last attempts at being relevant. Similar to the now declining BoM, a community based on trend and not discipline or principle.
Simply because he decided to depart the site for the reasons he did does not make him immune to political criticism, sorry to inform you.
I'll leave the rest for NES, but I hope he chimes in on this bit too.
Xanthal wrote:Only raiders can win in this war- a defender can keep them from winning one region, one update at a time, but there will always be the next region, the next update, and the next, forever.
by North East Somerset » Tue Sep 27, 2022 8:05 am
Reventus Koth wrote:North East Somerset wrote:But that makes no sense whatsoever, we are talking about Balder here not LKE. I would have loved to bury the hatchet, but it is Osiris whose deliberate and conscious hostility pushed us away, time and time again. For months if not years during the reign of Solorni and for the first part of my tenure, we tolerated and tried to ignore the constant criticisms and attacks from Osiris and your ilk, towards Balder - on the understanding that our interests were at some level intertwined as sister sinkers, as former allies, and as parties that both engaged from time to time in raiding activities. We even sat down around the table with Osiris, and they promised to make right the quarrels of the past. But then they reneged on these promises and the opportunities for concord, because the controlling influence of you and Altino pushed them away from that path towards one of continued hostility at any cost.
Balder offered terms for that - which Osiris agreed to without identifying either any objection to specific elements or any equivalent actions/comments by Balder. The agreement was made, and it was just a question of implementation. However, Osiris subsequently engaged in stalling, raising things that were not requested to abstain from doing what was agreed, and then - after a long period (months) - on being queried on the apparent slow progress, randomly PNGing the King of Balder (me) in an act of blatant hostility. And so we said, at that point, enough is enough, we do not have to co-operate militarily with you - and we will withdraw from those who do so. Osiris has had so many opportunities to move on - yet it chooses the path of hatred - of malice.
And the price of that is you have lost everything you once had, and have only yourselves to blame. It's not just Balder that Osiris has isolated with its malice. You have lost all but one of your GCR allies, and most of the social influence you once had through NSGP. You cannot sit here before me and say you did not choose the path of malice. Because you have explicitely done that at every opportunity, and at any cost. Your feeble attempts now at playing the victim whilst simoultaneously seeking to stand on the neck of those who are misfortunate enough to cross paths and trip over before you, does not wash, you are not Cormac and do not have the political skill to carry out his manoeuvres - indeed even his hypocrisy had an expiry date.
I won't speak for Altino -- nobody can -- but her reign was eons ago. You bring her up constantly to modern leaders of Osiris who probably weren't even in the region when she was relevant, as if that is a trait of someone who has moved on.
As for me, my part in any issues between Osiris and Balder are highly overstated, which is funny given what you were just saying about people's perceptions of Onder's involvement a few posts ago. You may find this hard to believe, but any decision on my part to involve myself with Balder's affairs came only earlier this year -- well after it had solidly aligned itself with defenders -- and years after you had made it up in your head that I had it out for Balder and nothing I tried to explain to you in the contrary would get through to you. You're right that I finally threw my weight in against you, long after you declared yourself my enemy. I won't back away from that. But it would do a great disservice to those bearing witness to this conflict to act like this outcome was solely on our shoulders.
Anything we've lost in the fallout of Ragnarok's leak (by someone who is now a moderator, I'm still in disbelief) is made up for by the support of the friends who have stuck by us through thick and thin. To say we "lost everything" would be an insult to our stalwart allies. Celebrate your treaty with the region that declared war on Osiris, you earned it, but don't act like you weren't already on this trajectory long before Ragnarok was a thought in our heads.
And keep Cormac's name out of your fucking mouth, by the way. They only aren't here today because they self-DoSed as a form of protest over TRR's trans moderator(s) not being able to mute transphobes, not because of some imagined expiration date.
by Reventus Koth » Tue Sep 27, 2022 8:19 am
North East Somerset wrote:And yet, I have spoken to multiple people who were on the Council of Viziers, working at the highest levels of Osiris around the period when the aforementioned events transpired, who state your influence in Osiris was a significant factor, and that both Altino and yourself campaigned strongly against concord with Balder, both behind the scenes and within the Council of Scribes. And this was before our personal discussions you reference where you insulted and threatened me with various profanities, so your timescale of rationalisating your role in this does not even add up.
It is nice that you nonchalently disregard the importance of Osiris's historic alliances. You ascribe no value to Osiris's alliances with Lazarus, TNP, or TWP? I am sure they will be charmed to hear that, albeit perhaps it is not a shock given the way you treated them over recent events. Four of the feeders closed their embassies with you in the past 3 months, but you don't consider this remotely relevant either. And you think this is all made up for by formalising relations with your paramilitary wings in TBH and BoM that already existed and were never in any doubt - one of which you even co-founded. Give me a break.
And as for Saint Cormac, I will speak on his political career in the game as I wish. You may of course attribute a great deal of valour to the nature of his final acts if you wish. But I saw someone who left gameplay a disgruntled husk who failed at his last several attempts at relevance, his hypocrisy over so many years, unmasked.
Xanthal wrote:Only raiders can win in this war- a defender can keep them from winning one region, one update at a time, but there will always be the next region, the next update, and the next, forever.
by Quebecshire » Tue Sep 27, 2022 8:22 am
Reventus Koth wrote:To be clear to the audience: Insulted you, I absolutely did, after being repeatedly rapid-fire disrespected. Threatened you, no. I said if you wanted to go toe to toe, I'd give you a fight. Now here we are, 2 years later.
Benevolent Thomas wrote:I founded a defender organization out of my dislike of invaders, what invading represents, and my desire to see them suffer.
Pergamon wrote:I must say, you are truly what they deserve.
by North East Somerset » Tue Sep 27, 2022 8:30 am
Reventus Koth wrote:North East Somerset wrote:And yet, I have spoken to multiple people who were on the Council of Viziers, working at the highest levels of Osiris around the period when the aforementioned events transpired, who state your influence in Osiris was a significant factor, and that both Altino and yourself campaigned strongly against concord with Balder, both behind the scenes and within the Council of Scribes. And this was before our personal discussions you reference where you insulted and threatened me with various profanities, so your timescale of rationalisating your role in this does not even add up.
It is nice that you nonchalently disregard the importance of Osiris's historic alliances. You ascribe no value to Osiris's alliances with Lazarus, TNP, or TWP? I am sure they will be charmed to hear that, albeit perhaps it is not a shock given the way you treated them over recent events. Four of the feeders closed their embassies with you in the past 3 months, but you don't consider this remotely relevant either. And you think this is all made up for by formalising relations with your paramilitary wings in TBH and BoM that already existed and were never in any doubt - one of which you even co-founded. Give me a break.
And as for Saint Cormac, I will speak on his political career in the game as I wish. You may of course attribute a great deal of valour to the nature of his final acts if you wish. But I saw someone who left gameplay a disgruntled husk who failed at his last several attempts at relevance, his hypocrisy over so many years, unmasked.
To be clear to the audience: Insulted you, I absolutely did, after being repeatedly rapid-fire disrespected. Threatened you, no. I said if you wanted to go toe to toe, I'd give you a fight. Now here we are, 2 years later.
TNP was never Osiris' ally, and them pulling out from a non-aggression pact only looks bad on them. I won't shed tears over that one. I'm not gonna sit here and pretend that it wasn't a little upsetting to see Lazarus and TWP go in a different direction though, and I certainly never insinuated their ties were of no value. I only ever said that we did not lose everything. Those GCRs are big boy regions, they can make their own decisions, and we are under no obligation to grovel for their affection as much as you'd love to bear witness to that. I also was speaking from a BoM perspective when I said that, for clarity, not that you see any difference.
Cormac's detractors can slander their name all they want, now that Cormac isn't here to make fools of them. It won't change the fact that they were the most influential Gameplayer of all time. Since keeping your mouth shut evidently isn't an option, I genuinely hope you continue to curse the name of the only player to continually best you at every turn, it only secures their legend.
Brisko at 12:56 AM
Also, you can s**k my f**king **** for bringing this up to TBH before we were even done talking. If you want to turn the screws, then just tell me you want to go toe to toe and I'll give you a fight
NES at 1:01 AM
We had basically finished talking.
At the point I brought it up, you had told me you hate Balder and dont care.
Brisko at 1:01 AM
Because I'll tell you right now, the reason you can be damn sure I wasn't involved in Bowzin's coup is because when i try to coup GCRs, i fucking do
NES at 1:01 AM
Okay cool story bro.
by Reventus Koth » Tue Sep 27, 2022 8:38 am
Quebecshire wrote:Reventus Koth wrote:To be clear to the audience: Insulted you, I absolutely did, after being repeatedly rapid-fire disrespected. Threatened you, no. I said if you wanted to go toe to toe, I'd give you a fight. Now here we are, 2 years later.
Calling it a "fight" is certainly charitable to yourself. "Pest control" is more applicable when discussing the absolute political trouncing of BoM and Osiris.
North East Somerset wrote:On the issue of our personal discussion I referenced, you give me little choice but to elaborate;Brisko at 12:56 AM
Also, you can s**k my f**king **** for bringing this up to TBH before we were even done talking. If you want to turn the screws, then just tell me you want to go toe to toe and I'll give you a fight
NES at 1:01 AM
We had basically finished talking.
At the point I brought it up, you had told me you hate Balder and dont care.
Brisko at 1:01 AM
Because I'll tell you right now, the reason you can be damn sure I wasn't involved in Bowzin's coup is because when i try to coup GCRs, i fucking do
NES at 1:01 AM
Okay cool story bro.
*profanities edited out
Once again, I refer you to my comment at 1:01 am, 2 years ago.
And back on the matter of Saint Cormac, the alleged "greatest gameplayer of all time". He did indeed run roughshod over a good number of people in his time in the game. Destroyed quite a few players for getting in his way. And if that is your measure of greatness then he did indeed rank highly. But he had this rather childish delusion that he could ruin anyone who got in his way, and he'd never face any consequences for it personally. Now look, I was never intimidated. Not now, and not then. I stood up to him, as you know, with no fear. And he really did not like that. He sowed the seeds of his own ruin through the way he treated people. History will judge what he was to the game.
Xanthal wrote:Only raiders can win in this war- a defender can keep them from winning one region, one update at a time, but there will always be the next region, the next update, and the next, forever.
by North East Somerset » Tue Sep 27, 2022 8:42 am
Brisko at 12:56 AMIf you want to show your whole ass, fine by me, the only reason I hadn't publicized it before this point is because I figured it was inappropriate for this forum. The mods can be the judge of that, I guess. Smart of you to not include any of the disrespect that led up to that, though. You had accused me of condoning and being a part of Bowzin's coup attempt on Balder, and ignored me at every turn when I tried to explain that I had nothing to do with it. If you were going to treat me like I wanted to coup Balder, then really there was no reason why I shouldn't. Even then, Ragnarok wasn't even my idea, isn't that funny.
by Reventus Koth » Tue Sep 27, 2022 8:49 am
North East Somerset wrote:Brisko at 12:56 AMIf you want to show your whole ass, fine by me, the only reason I hadn't publicized it before this point is because I figured it was inappropriate for this forum. The mods can be the judge of that, I guess. Smart of you to not include any of the disrespect that led up to that, though. You had accused me of condoning and being a part of Bowzin's coup attempt on Balder, and ignored me at every turn when I tried to explain that I had nothing to do with it. If you were going to treat me like I wanted to coup Balder, then really there was no reason why I shouldn't. Even then, Ragnarok wasn't even my idea, isn't that funny.
Your sense of entitlement that you were being "disrespected" by having to answer questions about the actions of your own members, is impressive. If you think I am lowering the tone, then it is but with your own words. You took a perfectly civil conversation, albeit maybe it was frustrating for you - and then decided to tell a foreign leader and military partner region to "s**k my f**king ****" and then threatened to coup us. Is this the actions of a respected diplomat, or a third rate bully?
Xanthal wrote:Only raiders can win in this war- a defender can keep them from winning one region, one update at a time, but there will always be the next region, the next update, and the next, forever.
by North East Somerset » Tue Sep 27, 2022 9:02 am
Reventus Koth wrote:North East Somerset wrote:
Your sense of entitlement that you were being "disrespected" by having to answer questions about the actions of your own members, is impressive. If you think I am lowering the tone, then it is but with your own words. You took a perfectly civil conversation, albeit maybe it was frustrating for you - and then decided to tell a foreign leader and military partner region to "s**k my f**king ****" and then threatened to coup us. Is this the actions of a respected diplomat, or a third rate bully?
You went running to Jakker trying to get me kicked off of the Council Advisory Board because of an imagined threat that I posed to you, before we were even done speaking. You wanted a fight with me, you invented a reason for one, based on nothing but speculation that I tried over and over again to assuage. Your entire bit was designed to enrage me over nothing. You've been waiting to use this as a "gotcha" against me for 2 years, when I've already told plenty of people that I said what I said that day. If there's a bully in this situation, it isn't me.
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