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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2019 7:34 pm
by Kurnugia
Unibot III wrote:snip


This guy would probably stamp any galactic empire or empire of man themed regions as nazi :rofl:

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:16 am
by Pierconium
Kuramia wrote:While the superiority complex imbued within Francoism is exclusionary and runs contrary to the values of Europeia and other User-Created Regions, my comments in NationStates Today went too far. I wish to apologize for conflating Francoism with Nazism. Europeia recognizes the steps NPO is taking in their pledge to end Francoism. Europeia will continue to promote the values of inclusion and respect among all willing to communicate civilly.

Thank you.

I have to ask, was it the public outcry or the idea that you might be thinking the same as someone like Unibot (whose wall of text is laughable at best) that led to this statement?

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:48 am
by Unibot III
Pierconium wrote:someone like Unibot (whose wall of text is laughable at best)


Francos Spain and Unlimited, both students of European politics, know exactly what language they were lifting when the former named a state, the New Pacific Order, and Unlimited et. al. created an ideology around reclamation, annexation, unification, and national pride and culture, in addition to collective servitude and the abolition of the individual, against a sinister "deceptive," elite/dominant minority.

The NPO is a not very subtle pastiche of European nationalist dictatorships.

Sure it's a game, nobody has died over a game, but it is a pastiche and the source is clear and unsavory. I don't see anything wrong about pointing out the connection. Francoist rhetoric is indistinguishable from RL fascist propaganda, it just inserts "userite" where RL dictators used "jew" - and the logic of them as a dominant minority, infiltrating political society and weakening and imperalising nations from within remains intact. You may be comfortable with that, knowing it is a game, but I don't think it is fair to direct outrage, not to the people prancing around with Mein Kampf ripoffs, but to the people pointing out the plagiarism.

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:09 am
by Big Bad Badger
That is a disgusting comparison.

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:48 am
by Roavin


Well, I got it correct every single time. Not so indistinguishable.

Collectivism and outgroup derogation in propaganda are neither new nor unusual in this game. This is a dumb comparison.

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:39 am
by Kurnugia
Roavin wrote:


Well, I got it correct every single time. Not so indistinguishable.

Collectivism and outgroup derogation in propaganda are neither new nor unusual in this game. This is a dumb comparison.

The quiz was hilarious bad too. Like the quote about democracy could have stemmed from a monarchist or something like that.

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:03 pm
by The Notorious Mad Jack
I find it very amusing for Unibot to pretend to be outraged by supposed fascism on behalf of the NPO, when I'm pretty sure he rewarded Automagfreek with Condemnation. Were we to take the things AMF has said in RPs at the value Unibot wants us to take the NPO, then Unibot supports fascism as evidenced by rewarding AMF with an in-character condemnation.

Such a comparison would be incredibly stupid, but then, so is comparing the NPO to real life fascists and nazis.

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:30 pm
by Unibot III
Roavin wrote:


Well, I got it correct every single time. Not so indistinguishable.

Collectivism and outgroup derogation in propaganda are neither new nor unusual in this game. This is a dumb comparison.


I am not "comparing" Francoism and Nazism, I'm saying Francoism is a flat out pastiche of European Fascist propaganda. And you can brush it off as a game if you like, but calling it a "dumb" or "disgusting" statement is stubborn cognitive dissonance from people who should know better: the fact that NPO is a ripoff of the kinds of RL propaganda that ravaged and occupied Western and Eastern Europe in generations past is incontrovertible. The "logic" of Francoism lifts directly from the "logic" of ethno-nationalism, an aggrieved cultural diaspora 'oppressed' by a deceptive, dominant minority.

I am not saying that proponents of Francoism are fascists or unemphatic or racists, I am saying that their rhetoric was a deliberate carbon copy of RL fascist propaganda by political science undergraduates (probably playfully) in '03-04 - whether that is ethically significant in a game isn't really something I've given much thought to, but I know disputing the connection in and of itself is disputing reality.

I find it very amusing for Unibot to pretend to be outraged by supposed fascism on behalf of the NPO, when I'm pretty sure he rewarded Automagfreek with Condemnation. Were we to take the things AMF has said in RPs at the value Unibot wants us to take the NPO, then Unibot supports fascism as evidenced by rewarding AMF with an in-character condemnation.

Such a comparison would be incredibly stupid, but then, so is comparing the NPO to real life fascists and nazis.


I'm not outraged, nor am I pretending to 'feel' anything.

I was responding to criticism (in fact, a piling-on) of someone's statement that NPO reminded them of Nazi propaganda. The point of my initial defense is folks have a fair reason to see similarities: Francoist propaganda is liberally lifted from RL Fascist sources. I've also found it uncomfortable watching people in this thread get more angry about that simple truth being pointed out than anything else.

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:57 pm
by The Seeker of Power
Are you really QUOTING YOURSELF to argument an answer? Isn't that circularly too much?

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:52 pm
by Unibot III
The Seeker of Power wrote:Are you really QUOTING YOURSELF to argument an answer? Isn't that circularly too much?


Not sure what you're referring to, Elegarth?

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:05 pm
by The Seeker of Power
Unibot III wrote:
Pierconium wrote:someone like Unibot (whose wall of text is laughable at best)


Francos Spain and Unlimited, both students of European politics, know exactly what language they were lifting when the former named a state, the New Pacific Order, and Unlimited et. al. created an ideology around reclamation, annexation, unification, and national pride and culture, in addition to collective servitude and the abolition of the individual, against a sinister "deceptive," elite/dominant minority.

The NPO is a not very subtle pastiche of European nationalist dictatorships.

Sure it's a game, nobody has died over a game, but it is a pastiche and the source is clear and unsavory. I don't see anything wrong about pointing out the connection. Francoist rhetoric is indistinguishable from RL fascist propaganda, it just inserts "userite" where RL dictators used "jew" - and the logic of them as a dominant minority, infiltrating political society and weakening and imperalising nations from within remains intact. You may be comfortable with that, knowing it is a game, but I don't think it is fair to direct outrage, not to the people prancing around with Mein Kampf ripoffs, but to the people pointing out the plagiarism.


I'm referrring to you linking-citating yourself Uni. Also hi.

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:21 pm
by Consular
If you're bothered by the NPO Uni, why did you join their ranks?

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:19 pm
by Consular
I am familiar with literally zero of those. :unsure:

PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:59 pm
by The Seeker of Power
Consular wrote:I am familiar with literally zero of those. :unsure:

Same here.

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by Codger
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Another Sunday, Another Edition

PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2019 3:17 am
by NationStates Today
New Edition for February 24th Released!

Thanks to the hard work of Llo and our writers, we have produced a new weekend edition. Covering the mass-ejection from The Internationale, controversial senate reforms in New Western Atlantic, an interview with Kuramia (President of Europeia), along with many other articles, our latest edition is jam-packed with great reads!

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 6:42 pm
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And that's a wrap! Earlier today, we broadcast the first episode of The Newsroom, the NationStates Today Podcast, on Twitch. Our hosts, Wymondham and Lewis Flood, interviewed Halo and Imki, the WA Delegates of the West Pacific and Lazarus respectively. If you missed it, don't worry! We're editing our first episode to add music and effects, and it'll be released next Wednesday.



NEW EDITION! (March 3rd)

PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:44 pm
by NationStates Today
New Edition for March 3rd Released!

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2019 1:59 pm
by Bowzin
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Podcast Episode 1 Now Live!

PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 3:31 pm
by NationStates Today
Bowzin wrote:I love your website and logo, they're beautiful

Thank you <3 </lewis>


The first episode of the NSToday Podcast is now live!
Summary: Covering regional theming, the Euro election, and just general chat, the first episode from The Newsroom is now live! Featuring Delegates Imki and Halo, from Lazarus and the West Pacific.

https://nationstates.news/the-newsroom-podcast-ep-1-march-2nd-w-imki-halo/625/

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 6:38 pm
by Grater Tovakia
Great Interview! It was a really good listen and the topics were really interesting. I can't wait for the next edition.

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by NationStates Today
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