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Bormiar
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Postby Bormiar » Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:20 pm

The survey is useless. Even if a decent amount of non-NST followers happened to respond to this survey, and even if they had any familiarity with the org, they'd be answering the wrong questions. The bias of NSToday lies not in over-representation or under-representation. As some have claimed, representation is dependent on the authors' interests. I agree. I'm willing to accept -- for the sake of argument -- that a bunch of NSLeft reporters are infatuated by the elections of a few select regions. I'm even willing to accept that there is no over-representation or under-representation at all, or that it's the reverse, and regions like TRR are over-represented.

This survey conveniently redirects attention towards representation, an argument that NSToday is bound to win through reasonable doubt. The bias of NST stems not from its writers, but instead from a few members in its leadership. Ironically, those members strangle their own organization with a (mostly-)unspoken fear of bias, forcing it to only cover election results-- forcing it to avoid thought (I use that word fearing it that it would sound pretentious, but will leave it from lack of a better word). As a result, the predisposition usually can't be found in any one article. They're too careful for that. But inevitably, bias (I should really say "predisposition") seeps in. It would be foolish to assume that any product of one's own brain could possibly be void of one's own predispositions and prejudices. Whenever some select board members (they know who they are; we all know who they are) and NSToday higher-ups have the highest and most minute control, bias just becomes blatantly apparent. Have we yet to entertain that the Power20's bias could result from the panel that one (or maybe multiple) player(s) select? One panelist privately voiced suspicion to me that panelists won't criticize the methodology of the list for fear of being kicked off on the next edition (it's more convenient when panelists just go with the flow). Or we could look to the podcasts / Up Close & Personals, the most patently-biased section of NSToday, where the same select players would go so far as to invite two radical meritocracy advocates to argue on democracy vs meritocracy, among other examples.

There's an obvious player who fits this description. He's the genial face of all that's bad (and all that's good-- the podcasts are far more educational than anything else they have) with NSToday. He actively attempts to guarantee his oligarchical power, and uses it to spread his own opinions in the aforementioned mediums. I don't know whether he's even aware it's happening, so this is nothing personal.

So when Aynia consistently asks "what should we do", I'm at a bit of a loss. What do you want me to say? Do you want me to say that there is no solution, and your newspaper is just helpless? Do you want me to follow NSToday's bureaucracy obsession and suggest some clever policy? There's no objective, clearcut way to suppress bias unless you just want to get rid of the aforementioned players or their powerbases. It just comes down to encouraging your administration to be more responsible. In other words, I'm doing the job of someone in NST (potentially Aynia) by pointing out examples of bias.

Stop obsessing over the same few players from the same social circle. That's your solution, Aynia. None of this is a matter of indignance because you don't care about TNP or TRR or 10KI. You truly cannot produce good content if you keep espousing the same opinions from the same type of players. So just stop finding NSGPers -- the same NSGPers -- for your podcasts and Power20 and committees (Xoriet, who I'm sure can provide intelligent thoughts, hasn't expressed any interest on being on this committee, so why is she on it?). As I told Omega, I don't care if they're from TWP or Osiris (finding players from the aforementioned "underrepresented" regions is just an easy way to find new voices), just so long as they aren't circlejerking the same opinions. Only then can your newspaper look less like a propagandist's megaphone.

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Postby Llorens » Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:19 am

Bormiar wrote:-snip-

You've taken a badly-designed survey and turned it into an excuse to try and tarnish our wider reputation, and it's pretty insulting. Let's be clear - you have an issue with Wymondham, the Up Close & Personal podcast he runs, and the Power20 biannual publication that he usually organises in some capacity (for the record, the original idea was actually mine). To twist this into the label of NSToday as "a propagandist's megaphone" is hurtful, untrue, and frankly makes it look like you don't even engage with the overwhelming majority of our regular content.

Seriously, take a look at our regular article output on our main page and tell me straight that Wymondham has his foot on the throat of our writers and editors: https://nationstates.news/. That claim is laughable.

While I'm not involved in NSGP ideological politics because it is potentially the easiest way to erode life expectancy, I think some of your points about bias in certain pieces of content could be valid. However, your willing ignorance of this survey aiming to rectify these very issues is bewildering. I admit that I would have designed this survey very differently, but to somehow ignore the fact that the Board is making an effort is detached from reality.

Wymondham is not the new Rupert Murdoch, and your obsession with it would be entertaining if it wasn't so disturbing and wrong. We produce damn good content, and your fixation on the tiniest slice of it seems reminiscent of the bias you label our entire operation with.

I'll now respond to the specific claim that NSLeft writers are 'infatuated' with our sphere of NationStates, since it's myself and Chief Content Officer Blyatman who are the only prominent writers with connection to it. I can only imagine this is some personal attack, so I may as well defend myself and my fellow writer.

I have published over 50 articles, not including more than a dozen weekend editions, and only 7 have been on my own region. Hell, I've even reported on both 10000 Islands and The North Pacific, 2 of those 3 regions you say we "don't care about." As for Blyatman, they have reported twice on their own region (TCB), once on the Democratic Socialist Assembly during a literal crisis, and the remainder of their articles to date have been a variety of opinion pieces. You tell me if that's infatuation.

To boot, the NSLeft is the one of the largest and most durable interregional alliances in all of NationStates, having lasted over four years (I'm unaware of any larger interregional alliances currently, though I may be wrong). In fact, it should be surprising we don't report on it even more given NSToday was founded by two citizens of The Communist Bloc - our most recent article on anything to do with it was in mid-April.
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Postby Honeydewistania » Thu Aug 06, 2020 2:44 am

Bormiar, you’re on the committee that designed the survey, so you could had voiced your opinions on it, unless you already have
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Postby Tinhampton » Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:28 am

The UNnameable Organisation's Human Rights Council gets along well with having one Special Rapporteur covering a certain human-rights niche presenting reports on that niche - Philip Alston's recent A/HRC/44/40 (MS Word .docx format only, sorry) on the eradication of poverty being a prime example. Why does NST need ten people to interpret the results of a survey and provide recommendations on improving NST diversity based on those results?
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Postby Imperium of Josh » Thu Aug 06, 2020 5:41 am

Bormiar wrote:-snip-

Jesus Borm...

As has been noted above, you're on NST's committee that seeks to rectify under-representation. Now, as I see it, our main problem is likely to be a lack of writing staff with interests and expertise regarding certain areas, but that's for you guys to determine. Sure, a simple survey isn't going to do that alone, but that's why we've put a load of you in a room together and told you to hammer out a solution. Takes time, thought, and a good deal of smart people to come up with solutions to these issues.

When you ask what we want your response to be when we ask what you want us to do, we aren't expecting magical solutions from you alone, just something, anything constructive. I personally don't particularly understand why this now apparently unhinged crusade of yours has advanced so far if you're not actually interested in providing any solutions. I mean, maybe you just wanna attack the work of a bunch of people who do their best to have fun in a novel way on an obscure browser game, who knows. If that's the case though, why agree to be on the committee? Did I make a mistake in approving a list with you on it? I defended your placement on that list for god's sake.

The committee you sit on includes multiple people you'd be extremely hard pressed to brand as GPers, but I suppose the very fact that they know people in our circles is an issue for you, given "stop obsessing over the same few players from the same social circle." In regards to "the same opinions from the same type of players," by all means, take to the waters of the world and fish us up some new writers with new perspectives for NST. If they're good at what they do, I'm sure HR would happily take them. Perhaps suggest to some well spoken advocates of NS democracy that an NST podcast would be a good way to convey their ideas, idk? (For those other than Borm reading who might fit said categories, I'd like to suggest exactly those things.)

I could go on picking at things easily, but then I'd just be text-walling you all.

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Postby Xoriet » Thu Aug 06, 2020 5:59 am

Bormiar wrote:Stop obsessing over the same few players from the same social circle. That's your solution, Aynia. None of this is a matter of indignance because you don't care about TNP or TRR or 10KI. You truly cannot produce good content if you keep espousing the same opinions from the same type of players. So just stop finding NSGPers -- the same NSGPers -- for your podcasts and Power20 and committees (Xoriet, who I'm sure can provide intelligent thoughts, hasn't expressed any interest on being on this committee, so why is she on it?). As I told Omega, I don't care if they're from TWP or Osiris (finding players from the aforementioned "underrepresented" regions is just an easy way to find new voices), just so long as they aren't circlejerking the same opinions. Only then can your newspaper look less like a propagandist's megaphone.

You've really got it wrong when it comes to who has the most representation. TWP certainly doesn't. The only notable article about TWP within quite a while would have been the controversial one about their treaty with NPO, and that one never came out. TWP also sees very little P20 representation when it comes to primary membership having a showing. Secondary citizenship doesn't count as favoring TWP in my books. Osiris having a lot of representation is more accurate.

As for the Committee, I didn't really see you make any substantial edits to the format of the survey when you clearly have opinions on how it should have been constructed, and you certainly had opportunity. Actually, you made very few posts where I could see it and none of them involved suggestions for improvement. Some people can criticize the format, but you, who did not contribute much when you raised the complaints leading to the creation of the Committee in the first place, are not one of them.
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Postby Wymondham » Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:22 am

Borm, I'm not going to respond to the rest of your text wall, as I am not on the committee and thus it would be inappropriate for me to answer or go and see if you had raised your concerns as I am actively avoiding going into that channel if at all possible.
I will however respond to this section as it directly levels accusations at me
Bormiar wrote:There's an obvious player who fits this description. He's the genial face of all that's bad (and all that's good-- the podcasts are far more educational than anything else they have) with NSToday. He actively attempts to guarantee his oligarchical power, and uses it to spread his own opinions in the aforementioned mediums. I don't know whether he's even aware it's happening, so this is nothing personal.

I fail to see how anything in those minutes guarantee's my "oligarchical power". Thank you, by the way for assuming that I am some masterful political genius that is somehow manipulating: a chairperson who is extremely intelligent RL and has an offer to attend an extremely selective place of higher education, a board of governors including the former delegate of The South Pacific, the former TSP FA minister among the monarch of Caer sidi and the organiser of UCR Con, who is also HR Director, among others. While I appreciate your vote of confidence in my political skills, that confidence is sadly misplaced, I'm a 16 year old kid, not Niccolo Machiavelli or Rupert Murdoch. But, let us go through those minutes and see what each item entails, shall we:
Item 1:
Report of board activities - standard at every meeting - you were a governor so you'll know that this is correct
Item 2:
Renewal of executive staff terms - again standard at the start of every new governor term, also confirmed Aynia's appointment of HR Director
Item 3:
Financial reports - required by the charter since the charter was implemented
Item 4:
Discord appeal - until the end of that meeting - OOC admin decisions could be appealed to an IC body - the governors - Drac flamed someone on the discord and got banned for it (specific details excluded as I don't wanna get mod bopped for anything) - I abstained as I imposed the ban, Blyat abstained, everyone else voted against accepting the appeal
Item 5:
Charter amendments - this was about nuking an IC body being able to control OOC admin decisions - this was put in during the original charter when the board, before I was on it I might add, had very different standards about the IC/OOC divide than we do today - mostly coming from the NSL communities they participated in - that part was forgotten about until Drac's appeal when we realised it still existed and got rid of it, for obvious reasons around why IC bodies should not influence OOC admin teams.
Items 6 and 8:
Somy and JST's charter amendments (rolling these together as they had the same effect) - these would have prevented members of the executive board serving on the governors as either elected (internal and external) or appointed members. I have been elected to every governors term since the body was formed, the first time I was elected I was not a board member, I am the only person to have done that]If all the board members were appointed governors, I would agree with the idea, but they aren't. I received the second most votes out of all the internally elected governors, so the staff clearly still want me as a governor, board member or not. If, as you say, I had oligarchical power, why did Aav and Josh both also vote against, neither of them are board members and neither of them would be affected. or are you seriously trying to say that I have influence over the Kaiser of Hartfelden and Josh, who has never let anyone ever decide his view for him, as those of us who know him know well enough. :p.

The podcast Meritocracy v Democracy you mentioned was over a year ago and, if you will look at our most recent episodes we have had Prydania, delegate of TNP, Marrabuk, who at the time of recording was TEP delegate, Roavin, an NS democracy advocate if there ever was one and Seraph/Ernior - former delegate of TSP. We also invited Sarah onto the podcast just under 2 weeks ago when we were arranging the next episode, alas she doesn't podcast. With regards to Up Close and Personal. there have been 3 episodes, the last of which was around march time if memory serves, are you seriously trying to use a sporadic podcast that interviews people in a much more intense and time critical (in that we usually get a weeks lead time on a Newsroom podcast for organisation and 4 days for editing, UC&P is organised the day of about 6 hours beforehand and out the next day) 1 on 1 when my RL and NS allows, to show some sort of bias, come off it.
As for your accusations that panellists are afraid to criticise the methodology, why then do we hold a session after the list is released where we always ask "what could we do better to make the process easier and to better represent GP's make up" and why then do the panellists always make, what I will politely call robust, suggestions about what we could do better, and why did the 2 people who pushed for the biggest reforms to the process in P20 no2 not only get invite back, but got their suggestions fully implemented. If the panellists are afraid to criticise it, why in the last P20 did one panellist openly and privately suggest not doing P20 this time around as in their view nothing had happened in GP in the last 6 months. If any panellist feels that way then they are always welcome to contact me to discuss their concerns, although the evidence suggests that the reality is quite contrary to those concerns.
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Postby Honeydewistania » Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:33 am

All of this will be solved if NSToday starts setting cryptic crosswords and puts them in the papers. Possibly.
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Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby The Notorious Mad Jack » Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:37 am

Honeydewistania wrote:All of this will be solved if NSToday starts setting cryptic crosswords and puts them in the papers. Possibly.

I'd certainly start reading their content.
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Bormiar » Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:44 am

Llorens wrote:
Bormiar wrote:-snip-

You've taken a badly-designed survey and turned it into an excuse to try and tarnish our wider reputation, and it's pretty insulting. Let's be clear - you have an issue with Wymondham, the Up Close & Personal podcast he runs, and the Power20 biannual publication that he usually organises in some capacity (for the record, the original idea was actually mine). To twist this into the label of NSToday as "a propagandist's megaphone" is hurtful, untrue, and frankly makes it look like you don't even engage with the overwhelming majority of our regular content.

I'm not trying to twist the survey into an attack on NSToday. I genuinely believe that bias lies in the mind of those who create biased content. Is that really an arguable claim?

I'm also not blaming NSToday or anyone for the survey being useless. As others have definitely pointed out, I was there and had the opportunity to think about it, but didn't.

Llorens wrote:Seriously, take a look at our regular article output on our main page and tell me straight that Wymondham has his foot on the throat of our writers and editors: https://nationstates.news/. That claim is laughable.

I feel like I'll have to quote myself a lot.

The bias of NSToday lies not in over-representation or under-representation. As some have claimed, representation is dependent on the authors' interests. I agree. I'm willing to accept -- for the sake of argument -- that a bunch of NSLeft reporters are infatuated by the elections of a few select regions. I'm even willing to accept that there is no over-representation or under-representation at all, or that it's the reverse, and regions like TRR are over-represented.


This survey conveniently redirects attention towards representation, an argument that NSToday is bound to win through reasonable doubt. The bias of NST stems not from its writers


Llorens wrote:While I'm not involved in NSGP ideological politics because it is potentially the easiest way to erode life expectancy, I think some of your points about bias in certain pieces of content could be valid. However, your willing ignorance of this survey aiming to rectify these very issues is bewildering. I admit that I would have designed this survey very differently, but to somehow ignore the fact that the Board is making an effort is detached from reality.

I'm not going to panegyrize this, but I guess I did forget to say that the board is doing a nice job for trying.

Llorens wrote:Wymondham is not the new Rupert Murdoch, and your obsession with it would be entertaining if it wasn't so disturbing and wrong. We produce damn good content, and your fixation on the tiniest slice of it seems reminiscent of the bias you label our entire operation with.

Opinion.

Did I call Wym Rupert Murdoch? Nope. In fact, I didn't mention him by name on the off-chance that you wouldn't, and future searches of his name wouldn't be damning. It's in the interest of both Wym and any future player that his name wouldn't become associated with a small flaw or the name Rupert Murdoch. Even now, I'm quelling such an association.

Llorens wrote:I'll now respond to the specific claim that NSLeft writers are 'infatuated' with our sphere of NationStates, since it's myself and Chief Content Officer Blyatman who are the only prominent writers with connection to it. I can only imagine this is some personal attack, so I may as well defend myself and my fellow writer.


Lol.

I'm willing to accept -- for the sake of argument -- that a bunch of NSLeft reporters are infatuated by the elections of a few select regions.


This was a joke. Even then, I didn't say it. I said I would accept it "for the sake of argument", suggesting that I don't even believe it.

The whole joke is partially a rhetorical argument. People have attributed possible over-representation to the writers' interests. If there is over-representation, the next logical question is why NSLeft players would be so interested in whatever regions are over-represented. I think I've made it quite clear that this has nothing to do with representation within articles (but it does involve podcast representation).

I'll repeat:

THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH REPRESENTATION WITHIN THE MAIN ARTICLES. (bolded capitals look so good)

Llorens wrote:I have published over 50 articles, not including more than a dozen weekend editions, and only 7 have been on my own region. Hell, I've even reported on both 10000 Islands and The North Pacific, 2 of those 3 regions you say we "don't care about." As for Blyatman, they have reported twice on their own region (TCB), once on the Democratic Socialist Assembly during a literal crisis, and the remainder of their articles to date have been a variety of opinion pieces. You tell me if that's infatuation.

To boot, the NSLeft is the one of the largest and most durable interregional alliances in all of NationStates, having lasted over four years (I'm unaware of any larger interregional alliances currently, though I may be wrong). In fact, it should be surprising we don't report on it even more given NSToday was founded by two citizens of The Communist Bloc - our most recent article on anything to do with it was in mid-April.


Irrelevant because of misunderstanding. See above.

We get that you're the election summary person.


Honeydewistania wrote:Bormiar, you’re on the committee that designed the survey, so you could had voiced your opinions on it, unless you already have

It's my fault for not thinking about it before.

Tinhampton wrote:The UNnameable Organisation's Human Rights Council gets along well with having one Special Rapporteur covering a certain human-rights niche presenting reports on that niche - Philip Alston's recent A/HRC/44/40 (MS Word .docx format only, sorry) on the eradication of poverty being a prime example. Why does NST need ten people to interpret the results of a survey and provide recommendations on improving NST diversity based on those results?

I don't think that the committee is about interpreting the survey results.

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Bormiar wrote:-snip-


As has been noted above, you're on NST's committee that seeks to rectify under-representation.

Yeah, sorry. None of us really thought about it at the time.

Imperium of Josh wrote:Now, as I see it, our main problem is likely to be a lack of writing staff with interests and expertise regarding certain areas, but that's for you guys to determine. Sure, a simple survey isn't going to do that alone, but that's why we've put a load of you in a room together and told you to hammer out a solution. Takes time, thought, and a good deal of smart people to come up with solutions to these issues.

Again:

THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH REPRESENTATION WITHIN THE MAIN ARTICLES.

Imperium of Josh wrote:When you ask what we want your response to be when we ask what you want us to do, we aren't expecting magical solutions from you alone, just something, anything constructive. I personally don't particularly understand why this now apparently unhinged crusade of yours has advanced so far if you're not actually interested in providing any solutions.


I think I gave my solution. Pure awareness of bias might fight bias.

Imperium of Josh wrote:The committee you sit on includes multiple people you'd be extremely hard pressed to brand as GPers, but I suppose the very fact that they know people in our circles is an issue for you, given "stop obsessing over the same few players from the same social circle." In regards to "the same opinions from the same type of players," by all means, take to the waters of the world and fish us up some new writers with new perspectives for NST. If they're good at what they do, I'm sure HR would happily take them. Perhaps suggest to some well spoken advocates of NS democracy that an NST podcast would be a good way to convey their ideas, idk? (For those other than Borm reading who might fit said categories, I'd like to suggest exactly those things.)


I'm not talking about writers or committee members. It's not severe there, so I'm mostly talking about the podcast (and P20 panelists), where the players I'm referring to have the strongest grasp.

I know you have lists of people to invite. I think it would be reasonable for you to show them. I have three reasons to believe that you're not really trying to diversify the podcast:
  1. Wym felt it necessary to point out inviting Sarah on a podcast (who's obviously only invited because she was a GCR delegacy), and didn't provide any other decent examples (Pry and Marra are only on because cabalist). This suggests that Sarah is an outlier.
  2. If this is purely a matter of some groups being more invested in podcasts, regions like Europeia wouldn't annexed NST's podcast. I don't see how it's possible that the only players who ever want to go on your podcast are model NSGPers.
  3. You guys are so good at forming committees with non-NSGPers.


Xoriet wrote:You've really got it wrong when it comes to who has the most representation. TWP certainly doesn't. The only notable article about TWP within quite a while would have been the controversial one about their treaty with NPO, and that one never came out. TWP also sees very little P20 representation when it comes to primary membership having a showing. Secondary citizenship doesn't count as favoring TWP in my books. Osiris having a lot of representation is more accurate.

Again, not a matter of main article representation.

As for the P20, you know that it's basically a list of NSGP personalities. A disproportionate amount of them happen to be from TWP. So it's indirect favoring. I don't think that the P20 panelists are conspiring to put more TWPers on.

Xoriet wrote:As for the Committee, I didn't really see you make any substantial edits to the format of the survey when you clearly have opinions on how it should have been constructed, and you certainly had opportunity. Actually, you made very few posts where I could see it and none of them involved suggestions for improvement. Some people can criticize the format, but you, who did not contribute much when you raised the complaints leading to the creation of the Committee in the first place, are not one of them.

Yeah I didn't worry about the survey (which I didn't suggest) very much. I only just realized the problem with it. Mea culpa.


Wymondham wrote:I fail to see how anything in those minutes guarantee's my "oligarchical power".

I wouldn't be offended by me calling NST oligarchical. Oligarchies happen everywhere.

But you know exactly what section I'm referring to, because you actually rationalized your vote with regards to how it would personal affect you in your annotation of the minutes:
Wymondham wrote:Somy and JST's charter amendments (rolling these together as they had the same effect) - these would have prevented members of the executive board serving on the governors as either elected (internal and external) or appointed members. I have been elected to every governors term since the body was formed, the first time I was elected I was not a board member, I am the only person to have done that]If all the board members were appointed governors, I would agree with the idea, but they aren't. I received the second most votes out of all the internally elected governors, so the staff clearly still want me as a governor, board member or not. If, as you say, I had oligarchical power, why did Aav and Josh both also vote against, neither of them are board members and neither of them would be affected. or are you seriously trying to say that I have influence over the Kaiser of Hartfelden and Josh, who has never let anyone ever decide his view for him, as those of us who know him know well enough. :p.

You know that failing that amendment meant that you could continue holding both positions. You know that your vote was self-serving. I couldn't justify that you were voting that way in your own interests, but now that you're misleading us on the effect of that vote, I have reason to speculate.

It doesn't matter whether people want you as governor (as you stress) or whether you're a good governor. The simple fact is that some governors wanted to make an amendment which would weaken you, and you voted against. You preserved your "oligarchical power". In justifying your vote, you told us just now that the staff would've wanted you to continue as governor. You claim that the staff want you to be hyper-powerful. Was there no moment of hesitance when you thought "maybe this is self-serving"?

I also don't think you understand what "oligarchy" means. It just means that a small group of people control your organization. I don't think you see that as a bad thing. Oligarchy does not mean that you're manipulating Aav and Josh, as you interpreted it:
Wymondham wrote:If, as you say, I had oligarchical power, why did Aav and Josh both also vote against, neither of them are board members and neither of them would be affected. or are you seriously trying to say that I have influence over the Kaiser of Hartfelden and Josh, who has never let anyone ever decide his view for him, as those of us who know him know well enough. :p.


No one said that you're manipulating Aav and Josh. I don't know why they voted that way.

Wymondham wrote:Thank you, by the way for assuming that I am some masterful political genius that is somehow manipulating: a chairperson who is extremely intelligent RL and has an offer to attend an extremely selective place of higher education, a board of governors including the former delegate of The South Pacific, the former TSP FA minister among the monarch of Caer sidi and the organiser of UCR Con, who is also HR Director, among others. While I appreciate your vote of confidence in my political skills, that confidence is sadly misplaced, I'm a 16 year old kid, not Niccolo Machiavelli or Rupert Murdoch.

I didn't say that you're manipulating them. I actually said the opposite:
Wymondham wrote:I don't know whether he's even aware it's happening

I do believe, however, that you're influencing them, in the same way that they influence you. Simply being on the board and in the governor chat means you have the opportunity to share your opinions.

It would be interesting if you were a machiavellian, but I don't see it.

Wymondham wrote:The podcast Meritocracy v Democracy you mentioned was over a year ago

It was a really good example. It's not like the organizers have completely changed.

Wymondham wrote:if you will look at our most recent episodes we have had Prydania, delegate of TNP, Marrabuk, who at the time of recording was TEP delegate, Roavin, an NS democracy advocate if there ever was one and Seraph/Ernior - former delegate of TSP. We also invited Sarah onto the podcast just under 2 weeks ago when we were arranging the next episode, alas she doesn't podcast.


That's disingenuous. Prydania and Marrabuk only came on because you needed some GCR delegates. You didn't invite them simply because you thought they would have an interesting perspective. You wouldn't have thought about either if they weren't GCR delegates. Same goes for Sarah. Roavin is an NSGPer if there ever was one.

Erinor seems like a good invitee. I suppose having Omega on is helpful.

Wymondham wrote:With regards to Up Close and Personal. there have been 3 episodes, the last of which was around march time if memory serves, are you seriously trying to use a sporadic podcast that interviews people in a much more intense and time critical (in that we usually get a weeks lead time on a Newsroom podcast for organisation and 4 days for editing, UC&P is organised the day of about 6 hours beforehand and out the next day) 1 on 1 when my RL and NS allows, to show some sort of bias, come off it.

You, Wymondham, have interviewed Riakou (who had his 30 seconds of NSGP fame), Fedele, Tubbius, Lynxi, Kuramia, Halo, and Imki. I have no problem with any of those interviewees. I do have a problem with claiming that there's no NSGP focus there. I also have a problem with you claiming that you could only find NSGPers (who generally have very similar perspectives on certain topics; e.g. Balder, often meritocracy, the importance of the Thanos snap).

Wymondham wrote:As for your accusations that panellists are afraid to criticise the methodology, why then do we hold a session after the list is released where we always ask "what could we do better to make the process easier and to better represent GP's make up" and why then do the panellists always make, what I will politely call robust, suggestions about what we could do better, and why did the 2 people who pushed for the biggest reforms to the process in P20 no2 not only get invite back, but got their suggestions fully implemented. If the panellists are afraid to criticise it, why in the last P20 did one panellist openly and privately suggest not doing P20 this time around as in their view nothing had happened in GP in the last 6 months. If any panellist feels that way then they are always welcome to contact me to discuss their concerns, although the evidence suggests that the reality is quite contrary to those concerns.


Ok, sure.

Unrelated observation: Let's run it up the flagpole and see if anyone salutes it. You told me McM was replaced by MJ because you wouldn't to mix things up. Your big paragraph suggests that there has been heavy continuity among some players. Roavin and Xoriet have been panelists every time. Obviously those are great choices. But do you think that those players, because they have rather loud voices, might have more of an effect (thus causing more continuity)?

Also, you can't compare Power20s if the panelists change.


Imperium of Josh wrote:I mean, maybe you just wanna attack the work of a bunch of people who do their best to have fun in a novel way on an obscure browser game, who knows. If that's the case though, why agree to be on the committee? Did I make a mistake in approving a list with you on it? I defended your placement on that list for god's sake.


I held off on this until the end, because I think the candor should be emphasized.

First, thanks for defending my placement. Second, I don't want to kill NSToday. I want NSToday to thrive. I won't lie and say that that is out of the kindness of my heart. I have a selfish reason to want NSToday to thrive: I like reading NationStates articles. I'm probably one of the most active readers of NST, considering how easily I've referenced your content. So my primary goal is to make every news org, including NSToday, better. We're on the same side.
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Bormiar wrote:I do believe, however, that you're influencing them, in the same way that they influence you. Simply being on the board and in the governor chat means you have the opportunity to share your opinions.

It would be interesting if you were a machiavellian, but I don't see it.

I was on LoA due to RL for both of those votes. I voted by proxy with Lewis as my designated proxy as the minutes show.
Bormiar wrote:That's disingenuous. Prydania and Marrabuk only came on because you needed some GCR delegates. You didn't invite them simply because you thought they would have an interesting perspective. You wouldn't have thought about either if they weren't GCR delegates. Same goes for Sarah. Roavin is an NSGPer if there ever was one.

How do you know why we got Marrabuk and Prydania on? The reason was that I wanted to get a TNP person on the podcast, as we hadn't had one on the podcast and that didn't seem right, and it only made sense that we went straight to the top if possible. TEP had just signed a treaty with XKI, iirc, and was about to have a delegate election, thus it seemed only right to get someone from there on as well. Not because we wanted GCR delegates, because we wanted a person from TNP and a person from TEP and it seemed logical to get the most important people we could from them.
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Wymondham wrote:With regards to Up Close and Personal. there have been 3 episodes, the last of which was around march time if memory serves, are you seriously trying to use a sporadic podcast that interviews people in a much more intense and time critical (in that we usually get a weeks lead time on a Newsroom podcast for organisation and 4 days for editing, UC&P is organised the day of about 6 hours beforehand and out the next day) 1 on 1 when my RL and NS allows, to show some sort of bias, come off it.

You, Wymondham, have interviewed Riakou (who had his 30 seconds of NSGP fame), Fedele, Tubbius, Lynxi, Kuramia, Halo, and Imki. I have no problem with any of those interviewees. I do have a problem with claiming that there's no NSGP focus there. I also have a problem with you claiming that you could only find NSGPers (who generally have very similar perspectives on certain topics; e.g. Balder, often meritocracy, the importance of the Thanos snap).

So, UC&P as written interview series was last done in May of last year so over a year ago. I never claimed UC&P as a paper interview series didn't have a GP focus, if you look at the tags you will see the text interviews are for our "Gameplay" section. As for UC&P the podcast - which we started because we felt the best sort of interview for Fedele, just as TEP was heading into the attempted coup, was a voice one, and as GP editor and someone who already podcasted it seemed only logical for me to do it. UC&P as a text interview format has been dead for over a year and probably ain't coming back as I suck at text interviews, UC&P as a podcast interview format will probably make a return when my RL is in a better place and I ain't heading into my A-level year. I never, ever claimed UC&P didn't have a GP focus, merely that you were trying to use a podcast which has been dead for 6+ months and a written interview series which has been dead for over a year.
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Bormiar wrote:I do believe, however, that you're influencing them, in the same way that they influence you. Simply being on the board and in the governor chat means you have the opportunity to share your opinions.

It would be interesting if you were a machiavellian, but I don't see it.

I was on LoA due to RL for both of those votes. I voted by proxy with Lewis as my designated proxy as the minutes show.

Did Lewis vote incorrectly?
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Bormiar wrote:That's disingenuous. Prydania and Marrabuk only came on because you needed some GCR delegates. You didn't invite them simply because you thought they would have an interesting perspective. You wouldn't have thought about either if they weren't GCR delegates. Same goes for Sarah. Roavin is an NSGPer if there ever was one.

How do you know why we got Marrabuk and Prydania on? The reason was that I wanted to get a TNP person on the podcast, as we hadn't had one on the podcast and that didn't seem right, and it only made sense that we went straight to the top if possible. TEP had just signed a treaty with XKI, iirc, and was about to have a delegate election, thus it seemed only right to get someone from there on as well. Not because we wanted GCR delegates, because we wanted a person from TNP and a person from TEP and it seemed logical to get the most important people we could from them.

I agree it is reasonable to get the delegate if you want someone from a certain GCR. But those delegates were not invited for the same reason that someone like Roavin or Altino (etc, etc) would be. They were invited because of authority. Whereas others would be invited simply for their brains, whether they had authority or not.

But the best thing about that comment is that we agree on the big things. You admit that there are rarely ever players from that section of GP, and by being conscious of that, you brought Prydania on, which you evidently see as something good (else you wouldn't bring it up). If you think that the podcast with Prydania was good for NST, you're affirming my recommendations:

Stop obsessing over the same few players from the same social circle. That's your solution, Aynia. None of this is a matter of indignance because you don't care about TNP or TRR or 10KI. You truly cannot produce good content if you keep espousing the same opinions from the same type of players. So just stop finding NSGPers -- the same NSGPers -- for your podcasts and Power20 and committees (Xoriet, who I'm sure can provide intelligent thoughts, hasn't expressed any interest on being on this committee, so why is she on it?). As I told Omega, I don't care if they're from TWP or Osiris (finding players from the aforementioned "underrepresented" regions is just an easy way to find new voices), just so long as they aren't circlejerking the same opinions. Only then can your newspaper look less like a propagandist's megaphone.


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Bormiar wrote:
You, Wymondham, have interviewed Riakou (who had his 30 seconds of NSGP fame), Fedele, Tubbius, Lynxi, Kuramia, Halo, and Imki. I have no problem with any of those interviewees. I do have a problem with claiming that there's no NSGP focus there. I also have a problem with you claiming that you could only find NSGPers (who generally have very similar perspectives on certain topics; e.g. Balder, often meritocracy, the importance of the Thanos snap).

So, UC&P as written interview series was last done in May of last year so over a year ago. I never claimed UC&P as a paper interview series didn't have a GP focus, if you look at the tags you will see the text interviews are for our "Gameplay" section. As for UC&P the podcast - which we started because we felt the best sort of interview for Fedele, just as TEP was heading into the attempted coup, was a voice one, and as GP editor and someone who already podcasted it seemed only logical for me to do it. UC&P as a text interview format has been dead for over a year and probably ain't coming back as I suck at text interviews, UC&P as a podcast interview format will probably make a return when my RL is in a better place and I ain't heading into my A-level year. I never, ever claimed UC&P didn't have a GP focus, merely that you were trying to use a podcast which has been dead for 6+ months and a written interview series which has been dead for over a year.

You have to remember that "GP" does not mean "NSGP" when I use it.

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Honeydewistania wrote:What the hell is NSGP leaning?


A focus on "NSGP elite", a number of prominent gameplayers whose good social connections that extend beyond their region or alignment and unfold for the most part in the Gameplay forum or Discord server. Onder calls them "the elites of the gameplay forum" or the center of "the social structure of the gameplay community at large", and presumably Unibot thinks they are the apex of today's "Facebook culture". :P


It doesn't matter very much whether those podcasts and interviews still exist, because they are reflective of your style as an interviewer, and the current podcast is basically a continuation of them. You admitted that there is going to be continuity between your interviews when you said you no longer do text interviews because you're bad at it. If the past doesn't provide insight for the present, you would have no reason not to do text interviews. But the present does echo the past, so we know you shouldn't do text interviews, just as we know you make NSGP-leaning podcasts.
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Postby Aumeltopia » Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:08 pm

Bormiar, you're a GPer zeroing in on our GP/social content and criticizing it for being biased towards Wym's views/interests. Well, yes, because Wym basically drives NST's production of GP/social content. (To be clear, I'm referring to media that focuses on "GP personalities", as opposed to things like elections in XKI or NWI or wherever else -- which we have a glut of, as well, but you'd be sorely mistaken to call them biased). You're ignoring 90% of NST's content to complain about the 10% that focuses on the GP/social world -- and then using that to claim that the entire news organization is woefully subverted under the heel of the GP/social focus. Of all of NST's content, gameplayers choose to care only about the Power20/UC&P/etc. That's fine, but then criticize those programs specifically rather than labelling all of NST as broken.

While you claim that what you really want is more focus on non-GP/social topics, in reality the only thing you care about are the GP/social topics.
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Honeydewistania wrote:Bormiar, you’re on the committee that designed the survey, so you could had voiced your opinions on it, unless you already have

It's my fault for not thinking about it before.

So that's why you decided to write a massive diatribe here, specifically in order to create a public spectacle? You've evidently now thought about it quite a bit, but you still decided to post here instead of voicing your opinions on it in the committee now. I respect your right to put your concerns out publicly, and I actually think you make some valuable points mixed in with all the scaremongering. But seriously, are we supposed to take your diatribe as good faith criticism when you had every opportunity to make real changes to the committee but didn't and haven't?
Wymondham wrote:With regards to Up Close and Personal. there have been 3 episodes, the last of which was around march time if memory serves, are you seriously trying to use a sporadic podcast that interviews people in a much more intense and time critical (in that we usually get a weeks lead time on a Newsroom podcast for organisation and 4 days for editing, UC&P is organised the day of about 6 hours beforehand and out the next day) 1 on 1 when my RL and NS allows, to show some sort of bias, come off it.

Can we have the next UC&P, whenever you can get back to it, interview Cretox State, or Imperium Anglorum, or Ransium, or Whatermelons, or Candlewhisper, or Jutsa, or any of the RP mentors?

I know, really, who you get on the podcast is basically determined by who you know -- as it would be with anyone. You inhabit the epicenter of the GP/social circle, and as a result, the easiest people to reach out to are well-known GPers. It doesn't really have to be a conscious thing. And that's alright if it's just you working for yourself. But when you hold an important position and make important content contributions to an organization which attempts not to lean in any particular direction, a prolonged bias like that will change the culture of the organization, no matter how much you're not trying to actively influence it that way. I know you don't intend to make NST focus more and more on GP, or when it does focus on GP, to be indelibly associated with your viewpoints. But simply by virtue of not making a great effort to reach outside of your comfort zone, you are such a media-producing and -coordinating force that things shift towards your comfort zone.

UC&P is a GP/social publication for GP socialites.
Wymondham wrote:I fail to see how anything in those minutes guarantee's my "oligarchical power". Thank you, by the way for assuming that I am some masterful political genius that is somehow manipulating: a chairperson who is extremely intelligent RL and has an offer to attend an extremely selective place of higher education, a board of governors including the former delegate of The South Pacific, the former TSP FA minister among the monarch of Caer sidi and the organiser of UCR Con, who is also HR Director, among others. While I appreciate your vote of confidence in my political skills, that confidence is sadly misplaced, I'm a 16 year old kid, not Niccolo Machiavelli or Rupert Murdoch.

That's quite the framing you've done there. You know very well your own self-worth and your own skills at playing GP politics. "I'm just a 16 year old kid" is a poor defense.

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Aumeltopia wrote:Can we have the next UC&P, whenever you can get back to it, interview Cretox State, or Imperium Anglorum, or Ransium, or Whatermelons, or Candlewhisper, or Jutsa, or any of the RP mentors?

I know, really, who you get on the podcast is basically determined by who you know -- as it would be with anyone. You inhabit the epicenter of the GP/social circle, and as a result, the easiest people to reach out to are well-known GPers. It doesn't really have to be a conscious thing. And that's alright if it's just you working for yourself. But when you hold an important position and make important content contributions to an organization which attempts not to lean in any particular direction, a prolonged bias like that will change the culture of the organization, no matter how much you're not trying to actively influence it that way. I know you don't intend to make NST focus more and more on GP, or when it does focus on GP, to be indelibly associated with your viewpoints. But simply by virtue of not making a great effort to reach outside of your comfort zone, you are such a media-producing and -coordinating force that things shift towards your comfort zone.

So, literally 30 mins before I saw your post, I found some free time to get at least 1 UC&P done next week, hopefully, to supplement the fact we cannot record a newsroom until the weekend of the 15th at the earliest, this is provisionally booked so I cannot guarantee for that one. If that guest cancels or in the next one after I am more than willing to publicly commit to doing a UC&P with an RP mentor if one is available, then with a GA writer after that. I really want to get out of my comfort zone and change - that's why I've been venturing into NS sport and am looking at trying out GA stuff in September or October. I just have to balance that with the day to day NS stuff I do both inside and outside NST.
UC&P is a GP/social publication for GP socialites.
Aumeltopia wrote:That's quite the framing you've done there. You know very well your own self-worth and your own skills at playing GP politics. "I'm just a 16 year old kid" is a poor defense.

- Sincerely, a 17 year old kid (or maybe "former delegate of the South Pacific"?)

Somy, that isn't framing, ask anyone who knows me well OOC, I can give you a list in DMs of people to ask if you wish, and they will tell you that, as far as I am concerned that is the gods honest truth, not framing. If that was framing that I won't keep on about it in private, non-withstanding the fact I have always said that in public. Because, trust me on this, my rating of my own self-worth and GP skills, hell any skills, is very very low.
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Aumeltopia wrote:Bormiar, you're a GPer zeroing in on our GP/social content and criticizing it for being biased towards Wym's views/interests. Well, yes, because Wym basically drives NST's production of GP/social content. (To be clear, I'm referring to media that focuses on "GP personalities", as opposed to things like elections in XKI or NWI or wherever else -- which we have a glut of, as well, but you'd be sorely mistaken to call them biased). You're ignoring 90% of NST's content to complain about the 10% that focuses on the GP/social world -- and then using that to claim that the entire news organization is woefully subverted under the heel of the GP/social focus. Of all of NST's content, gameplayers choose to care only about the Power20/UC&P/etc. That's fine, but then criticize those programs specifically rather than labelling all of NST as broken.


That's fair. I'm critiquing a facet of NSToday. However, I think it's a very, very important facet, because much of NSToday is blurbs on elections. The GP facet is the most complex section of NSToday, whereas most articles are simple summaries written for outsiders.

Aumeltopia wrote:While you claim that what you really want is more focus on non-GP/social topics, in reality the only thing you care about are the GP/social topics.


I... did not say that I wanted non-GP topics (though those are cool to). I simply believe that the GP topics should be less focused on the "social elites" of GP. "NSGPers" is the term I use. It's very nuanced.

"The only thing you care about are the GP/social topics". That sounds silly. I'm a region-builder with an interest in the WA, cards, issues, and also GP. I'm not some GP monomaniac. I don't even like or participate in R/D.
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Bormiar wrote:It's my fault for not thinking about it before.

So that's why you decided to write a massive diatribe here, specifically in order to create a public spectacle? You've evidently now thought about it quite a bit, but you still decided to post here instead of voicing your opinions on it in the committee now. I respect your right to put your concerns out publicly, and I actually think you make some valuable points mixed in with all the scaremongering. But seriously, are we supposed to take your diatribe as good faith criticism when you had every opportunity to make real changes to the committee but didn't and haven't?

I guess what you just said would make sense if I actually started this debate. But I didn’t start it. Agalaesia brought it up, and my first post was in response to a series of back-and-forth on it. It's specifically a response to Aynia's comment. So I guess you might not have noticed because it created another page and I didn't quote anything ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

Aumeltopia wrote:That's quite the framing you've done there. You know very well your own self-worth and your own skills at playing GP politics. "I'm just a 16 year old kid" is a poor defense.

I'm with Wym here. I don't think he's machiavellian. I don't think you can say I'm fearmongering while you accept Wym's wild exaggeration of what I said. :P
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Can we have the next UC&P, whenever you can get back to it, interview Cretox State, or Imperium Anglorum, or Ransium, or Whatermelons, or Candlewhisper, or Jutsa, or any of the RP mentors?


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The Governors Committee reminds me of the NS World Fair Committee. I think this is probably going to complicate the production process by tying it more closely to political stakeholders for its own legitimacy.

If you think NST isn't covering stuff, the best thing to do is be the change you want to see and write what you want covered and if you can't get it published somewhere, make your own publication. You can make an NS Newspaper in about an hour and a half - create an account, a logo, and your first article - done. (I used to maintain three newspapers anonymously at one time and submit content to my competitors! 8) ).
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Your articles are dreadfully outdated. Also it is neither September 20th not is it the weekend. At least have the decency to update your articles when you release them late. TRRs delebread completed their transition seventy-three days ago. Get it together, NST. This is just sad.
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Postby Comfed » Wed Sep 30, 2020 2:48 pm

The Church of Satan wrote:Your articles are dreadfully outdated. Also it is neither September 20th not is it the weekend. At least have the decency to update your articles when you release them late. TRRs delebread completed their transition seventy-three days ago. Get it together, NST. This is just sad.

It’s a collection of all articles published since the last edition.

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Postby The Church of Satan » Wed Sep 30, 2020 2:55 pm

Comfed wrote:It’s a collection of all articles published since the last edition.

Then at least update them so they can sound up-to-date if you're gonna re-release them. >_>
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Postby Llorens » Wed Sep 30, 2020 3:25 pm

The Church of Satan wrote:Your articles are dreadfully outdated. Also it is neither September 20th not is it the weekend. At least have the decency to update your articles when you release them late. TRRs delebread completed their transition seventy-three days ago. Get it together, NST. This is just sad.

Hi! Our weekend editions have unfortunately become less regular than I once would have hoped, but it is one of my (many) priorities as the new CEO to ensure we get them out more frequently. That being said, they have always been merely a collection of stories since our last edition, and since it had been about three months, some of the articles are a bit older, but we disclose the original date of publication on each one at the end.

As for the date of this dispatch going out, the reason it was late was that we have been going through some major executive staff transitions and my attention honestly had to be drawn elsewhere. However, it is here now, and many people continue to enjoy this format of news (as the viewing numbers on that page would suggest!).

Apologies for any misunderstandings. :)
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Postby Helseth » Wed Sep 30, 2020 6:51 pm

The Church of Satan wrote:Your articles are dreadfully outdated. Also it is neither September 20th not is it the weekend. At least have the decency to update your articles when you release them late. TRRs delebread completed their transition seventy-three days ago. Get it together, NST. This is just sad.

Such a non issue to whine about. Wow.
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Postby ShrewLlamaLand » Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:07 pm

Helseth wrote:
The Church of Satan wrote:Your articles are dreadfully outdated. Also it is neither September 20th not is it the weekend. At least have the decency to update your articles when you release them late. TRRs delebread completed their transition seventy-three days ago. Get it together, NST. This is just sad.

Such a non issue to whine about. Wow.

I think pointing out that a publication entitled "Weekend Edition - September 20th, 2020" was in fact released on a Wednesday, one and a half weeks later, is a fairly relevant complaint.

It's also an incredibly easy complaint to address, given that the only real issue seems to be the title - calling a release a "Weekend edition" when it is not released on weekends and actually covers three months worth of content, as well as backdating the release by 10 days, is honestly non-sensical.

Why don't you call it "NationStates Today - Q3 roundup" or something along those lines, which seems a much more appropriate title given it apparently covers content from July - September.
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