Pacifica Embassy: Relocation to Thalassia

[Bowzin]

Well I do like the OP, so I guess Cormac is doing a good enough job

[Fecaw]

Is Topid back for good?

P.S. Nice OP!

[Cormactopia Prime]

Is Topid back for good?

P.S. Nice OP!

He is, yes, though still busy in RL.

And thank you!

[Cormactopia Prime]

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Pacifica and the Anti-Pacific Coalition Negotiate Peace in St Abbaddon

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On Friday morning, the New Pacific Order (NPO), the ruling regime of the Pacific, announced termination of its imperialistic protectorate agreement with St Abbaddon. Within hours of that announcement, the Republic of Pacifica entered into negotiations with then-Delegate Kitsco of St Abbaddon to reach a peaceful and diplomatic resolution to the conflict over St Abbaddon. Pacifica's priorities were twofold: First, we wanted to ensure an immediate transition of St Abbaddon's Delegacy to Topid, our Founder and the oldest remaining native of St Abbaddon. Second, we wanted to ensure that this transition would be both speedy and safe, which would require the ejection of remaining NPO forces from St Abbaddon. Although negotiations broke down on Friday night and it appeared there was no hope for a diplomatic resolution, things changed on Saturday night and the early hours of Sunday morning, when a breakthrough in negotiations occurred. This breakthrough in negotiations could not have happened without the support of our friends and partners in the Anti-Pacific Coalition (APC), as well as the compromise and cooperation of Kitsco and his government. We also wish to thank Kuriko, Delegate of 10000 Islands, for her time on Friday evening as a neutral observer to that evening's negotiations. The positive outcome reached is a testament to the patience and statesmanship of all involved.

The Republic of Pacifica is pleased to announce that Topid has now been installed as the Delegate of St Abbaddon under the nation Frankland. This transition of the Delegacy of St Abbaddon has occurred peacefully, without military conflict, and with the consent of Kitsco and his government. Remaining NPO forces that had not withdrawn by the time the protectorate agreement was terminated were ejected by former Delegate Kitsco without incident. As part of the diplomatic settlement, Kitsco and members of his government will remain in St Abbaddon and participate in rebuilding and reform efforts. Unlike the NPO occupation forces which once insisted on the exile of Topid from his home region, Pacifica and the APC have taken great care to respect the sovereignty of St Abbaddon and to do everything in our power to ensure no natives would be displaced. That goal has been accomplished, and we have demonstrated our victory over the NPO not through endorsements and ejections but rather through respect and cooperation -- aims totally alien to the totalitarian regime that governs the Pacific. We have diplomatically settled a conflict that the NPO sought only to exacerbate, and we have done so in mere days, contrasted with the NPO's long and ultimately futile occupation. We win by going high when they go low. We win by embracing principle, not powerplays. We win by being everything the NPO is not.

In the coming days, we will stand ready to assist St Abbaddon as needed, at their request. We will take no action to infringe upon their sovereignty. The future of St Abbaddon will be determined by the native community of St Abbaddon, led by their native Delegate, and not by any foreign power. That is Pacifica's commitment to St Abbaddon, a commitment we are sure is echoed by our fellow APC members who are at this very moment supporting St Abbaddon's Delegacy transition. While Pacifica will not in any way interfere in St Abbaddon's rebuilding and reform efforts, we will be prepared to respond to any threat to St Abbaddon, especially from the NPO, at the request of the Delegate and his government. We will act in defense of St Abbaddon whenever called upon to do so by its native government, without preconditions or protectorate agreements. St Abbaddon is our sovereign sister region, not our protectorate.

In closing, the Republic of Pacifica wishes to emphasize that the NPO's surrender in St Abbaddon and the subsequent restoration of peace and native self-determination changes much for St Abbaddon, but nothing for the war effort against the NPO. Pacifica remains in a state of de facto war with the NPO, and soon I will ask our newly constituted Regional Congress to formally declare war. Nothing can change what the NPO has done to St Abbaddon in the past. Nothing can change what the NPO has done time and again to violate the sovereignty of regional communities, game-created and user-created alike. Nothing can change what the NPO has done to oppress native residents of the Pacific who deserve liberty and self-determination. For these reasons, nothing can change the resolve of the Republic of Pacifica to see the NPO consigned to the ash heap of history. We will not waver in our dedication to seeing the NPO replaced with a government that will answer to residents of the Pacific and be responsible actors on the world stage. St Abbaddon is free. One day the Pacific will also be free.

Semper Pacifica! Long live St Abbaddon! NPO Delenda Est!

Cormactopia Prime
Acting President of the Republic of Pacifica

[Zizou]

Congratulations Topid! Long live St Abbaddon!

[Altinsane]

We have diplomatically settled a conflict that the NPO sought only to exacerbate, and we have done so in mere days, contrasted with the NPO's long and ultimately futile occupation. We win by going high when they go low. We win by embracing principle, not powerplays. We win by being everything the NPO is not.

This is beautiful. I am so proud and excited to see a St Abbaddon that is free to use its own mind. APC is honored to have been able to assist in making that a reality. NPO drove a wedge in St Abbaddon and instilled fears in the region that forced it to depend on outside forces to survive. Now watching the natives there excited to see Topid return home and Topid, Kitsco, and their Council of Elders begin working together to rebuild their region on their own terms is truly refreshing. Long live St Abbaddon.

[Reploid Productions]

Holy crap, I leave town and am mostly offline for a week and I come back to the St Abby situation being resolved?! Damn guys, was not expecting that!

[Pierconium]

Nice revisionism here.

So I guess we are all going to pretend you didn't attempt to bully Kitsco into an agreement to kick NPO nations before the deadline was over so that you could claim some actual victory over the NPO? And now you are going to claim some kind of surrender on our part because Kitsco couldn't be bothered to recruit for weeks with stamps that members of the NPO paid for? Okay, we can go with that.

Enjoy your victory celebrations. The NPO still exists. The NPO remains in the Pacific. 'NPO delende est' *rollseyes*

[Cormactopia Prime]

So I guess we are all going to pretend you didn't attempt to bully Kitsco into an agreement to kick NPO nations before the deadline was over so that you could claim some actual victory over the NPO?

Kitsco was asked to eject remaining NPO forces so the Delegacy could be transitioned to Topid as quickly as possible. Your forces remaining in the region made it virtually impossible to accomplish a quick Delegacy transition. That's the only reason he was asked to eject remaining NPO forces.

We are already victorious over the NPO in this case because, within days, we resolved a conflict the NPO sought for months to exacerbate, and we did it through diplomatic means rather than turning St Abbaddon into a military quagmire as the NPO had done. The NPO spent months on a futile occupation of St Abbaddon that accomplished nothing. We spent a couple days on diplomacy and resolved the conflict between St Abbaddon's natives. That's where our victory lies -- in simply being better than the NPO in every way, and not wasting our time and resources on imperialistic nonsense. Our objectives in St Abbaddon have been met. Topid is Delegate, you are gone, and St Abbaddon is free. What objectives did you meet in St Abbaddon?

And now you are going to claim some kind of surrender on our part because Kitsco couldn't be bothered to recruit for weeks with stamps that members of the NPO paid for? Okay, we can go with that.

You can try to make this about recruitment all you want, but the truth is Kitsco wasn't recruiting before the NPO decided to make St Abbaddon its protectorate either. The NPO withdrew from St Abbaddon because it had turned into a quagmire from which there was no escape while the protectorate agreement remained in effect. The November operation proved that from now on the NPO would have to devote a large, permanent occupying force to St Abbaddon in order to hold the region. Using that occupying force in St Abbaddon was slowing your Delegacy transition in the Pacific to the slowest transition any of us have ever witnessed. Finally, you ended the occupation and came up with some excuse for why you were ending it in a transparent attempt to save face. Yes, I would call that surrendering. The NPO waved the white flag, and you have nothing to show for your time in St Abbaddon.

Enjoy your victory celebrations. The NPO still exists. The NPO remains in the Pacific. 'NPO delende est' *rollseyes*

The NPO remains in the Pacific with an Emperor who has no Delegacy, only one weakened alliance remaining, and an enormous talent deficit that has left you with reduced activity and no one ready to lead the NPO into a stable, active, and credible future. The NPO is an interregional pariah that now attracts only people like LaNavasse and Badger. If you call that winning, your standards have clearly decreased in recent years, Ivan.

Eventually, the hollow shell of what the NPO once was will be driven from the Pacific. It's only a matter of time now. You have been reduced to nothing.

[Pierconium]

If you say so.

Your first demands on Kitsco included the caveat that he disavow the NPO. How is that related to your cooperation scenario that didn't include an additional impact on the NPO? It doesn't. Just another falsehood.

Regardless, as I said, enjoy your victory. You are right, the activity on the 20th did precipitate the removal of this albatross from our neck. One wonders what might be accomplished with a Legio that isn't hampered by an inactive founderless region? Time will tell on that I guess. I'm personally glad to be rid of St Abbaddon. I have always considered it a bad deal for the Pacific. If you wish to debate this further I am sure your collaborators in TBH can point to quotes from me in the Red Phone logs where I state as such. How are those compromised morals by the way?

Claiming that the Pacific is a husk and a pariah simply ignored reality. Five regions of any size have 'declared war' on the Pacific. Yes, Embassies have been closed, but that doesn't mean conversations have ceased. We have weathered much worse and much more legitimate threats than you in the past.

But please, continue to stroke your own ego. Time will prove me correct.

[Cormactopia Prime]

Your first demands on Kitsco included the caveat that he disavow the NPO. How is that related to your cooperation scenario that didn't include an additional impact on the NPO? It doesn't. Just another falsehood.

You don't come to the negotiating table asking for what you want, you come asking for more, and negotiate down to what you want. I couldn't have actually cared less whether Kitsco disavowed the NPO, which is why that was the first compromise I was willing to quickly make. In the end, we struck a reasonable deal that brought about peace and native self-determination in St Abbaddon without any natives being removed from the region, with everyone able to continue participating to rebuild and reform the region -- which had been our aim from the beginning.

Regardless, as I said, enjoy your victory. You are right, the activity on the 20th did precipitate the removal of this albatross from our neck. One wonders what might be accomplished with a Legio that isn't hampered by an inactive founderless region? Time will tell on that I guess.

Perhaps you can finally install your Emperor as Delegate, since he can't seem to manage to get a sufficient number of natives in the Pacific to endorse him.

I'm personally glad to be rid of St Abbaddon. I have always considered it a bad deal for the Pacific. If you wish to debate this further I am sure your collaborators in TBH can point to quotes from me in the Red Phone logs where I state as such. How are those compromised morals by the way?

I'm glad you finally brought that up. As a result of his conduct, Ever-Wandering Souls is no longer an Organizer in the Anti-Pacific Coalition. Unlike the NPO, we expect higher standards of our leadership, and we don't tolerate our leaders engaging in subversion against Feeders and Sinkers.

Claiming that the Pacific is a husk and a pariah simply ignored reality. Five regions of any size have 'declared war' on the Pacific. Yes, Embassies have been closed, but that doesn't mean conversations have ceased. We have weathered much worse and much more legitimate threats than you in the past.

But please, continue to stroke your own ego. Time will prove me correct.

The number of regions that have declared war on the NPO is greater than five. I won't deny that the NPO has weathered worse than this, but that was when you had actual leaders who knew what they were doing, not imports from other games and hangers-on from this game who have nowhere else to go.

"Continue to stroke your own ego." What is it with you folks and these "Continue to..." phrases.

[Pierconium]

I said five regions of any size. That's five regions with populations over 100. Puppet regions don't count. Maybe you have some super secret allies?

Souls is still a leader in TBH, correct? So he isn't an Organizer (and neither are you unless that too has changed) but TBH is still an active part of APC? So TBH, controlled by Souls, is part of APC but APC doesn't consider Souls part of its leadership? Just want to make sure I have your 'high standards' correct here.

[Scottiesland]

I said five regions of any size. That's five regions with populations over 100. Puppet regions don't count. Maybe you have some super secret allies?

Souls is still a leader in TBH, correct? So he isn't an Organizer (and neither are you unless that too has changed) but TBH is still an active part of APC? So TBH, controlled by Souls, is part of APC but APC doesn't consider Souls part of its leadership? Just want to make sure I have your 'high standards' correct here.

When did the rest of the Council of Hawks resign?

[Pierconium]

I said five regions of any size. That's five regions with populations over 100. Puppet regions don't count. Maybe you have some super secret allies?

Souls is still a leader in TBH, correct? So he isn't an Organizer (and neither are you unless that too has changed) but TBH is still an active part of APC? So TBH, controlled by Souls, is part of APC but APC doesn't consider Souls part of its leadership? Just want to make sure I have your 'high standards' correct here.

When did the rest of the Council of Hawks resign?

Souls is undoubtedly the most vocal, or has been until his recent absence, member of the Council, especially in regards to APC activity. He maintains a large level of influence as a member of the Council so the implication that continuing to work with TBH (good job helping set up a defender region, btw) in APC somehow excludes Souls' influence seems disingenuous at best.

[Pierconium]

Anyway, I need to step away for a bit.

The bottom line is that if the APC had the ability to take St Abbaddon then they would have. No effort on their part was made to retake the region and our decision, yes based on the drain of resources that St Abbaddon constituted, to nullify the treaty because of the lack of movement towards self-sufficiency once that drain became apparent is the only reason for this post today.

But okay, whatever. The APC has somehow scored a huge victory here by not allowing St Abbaddon to live in peace and instead making it a continuing point of contention. You better maintain a presence there as you have decided to make it a legitimate military target going forward through this blatant and false revisionism.

[Cormactopia Prime]

I said five regions of any size. That's five regions with populations over 100. Puppet regions don't count. Maybe you have some super secret allies?

It's hard to tell what you mean by "of any size," but I should have known it was a condescending swipe at UCRs that are actually better than the NPO.

Souls is still a leader in TBH, correct? So he isn't an Organizer (and neither are you unless that too has changed) but TBH is still an active part of APC? So TBH, controlled by Souls, is part of APC but APC doesn't consider Souls part of its leadership? Just want to make sure I have your 'high standards' correct here.

The leadership of the APC is comprised of Organizers from various regions -- Souls was an Organizer, but isn't anymore. The Black Hawks remain involved with the APC, and Souls is a leader of TBH, but Souls is not an Organizer and thus is not a leader of the APC. Not a difficult concept. The removal of Souls from an Organizer role was an appropriate and proportionate response to what was revealed by the recent log dump by the South Pacific.

I should also note that Souls is not the only leader of TBH. TBH is led by the Council of the Hawks, which is currently comprised of six people.

Anyway, I need to step away for a bit.

The bottom line is that if the APC had the ability to take St Abbaddon then they would have. No effort on their part was made to retake the region and our decision, yes based on the drain of resources that St Abbaddon constituted, to nullify the treaty because of the lack of movement towards self-sufficiency once that drain became apparent is the only reason for this post today.

But okay, whatever. The APC has somehow scored a huge victory here by not allowing St Abbaddon to live in peace and instead making it a continuing point of contention. You better maintain a presence there as you have decided to make it a legitimate military target going forward through this blatant and false revisionism.

Let's not even pretend that St Abbaddon didn't become "a legitimate military target" for you as soon as your protectorate agreement ended and Topid returned. St Abbaddon will always be in danger from the NPO and we will always be prepared to defend St Abbaddon against the NPO.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Your first demands on Kitsco included the caveat that he disavow the NPO. How is that related to your cooperation scenario that didn't include an additional impact on the NPO? It doesn't. Just another falsehood.

You don't come to the negotiating table asking for what you want, you come asking for more, and negotiate down to what you want. I couldn't have actually cared less whether Kitsco disavowed the NPO, which is why that was the first compromise I was willing to quickly make. In the end, we struck a reasonable deal that brought about peace and native self-determination in St Abbaddon without any natives being removed from the region, with everyone able to continue participating to rebuild and reform the region -- which had been our aim from the beginning.

Regardless, as I said, enjoy your victory. You are right, the activity on the 20th did precipitate the removal of this albatross from our neck. One wonders what might be accomplished with a Legio that isn't hampered by an inactive founderless region? Time will tell on that I guess.

Perhaps you can finally install your Emperor as Delegate, since he can't seem to manage to get a sufficient number of natives in the Pacific to endorse him.

I'm personally glad to be rid of St Abbaddon. I have always considered it a bad deal for the Pacific. If you wish to debate this further I am sure your collaborators in TBH can point to quotes from me in the Red Phone logs where I state as such. How are those compromised morals by the way?

I'm glad you finally brought that up. As a result of his conduct, Ever-Wandering Souls is no longer an Organizer in the Anti-Pacific Coalition. Unlike the NPO, we expect higher standards of our leadership, and we don't tolerate our leaders engaging in subversion against Feeders and Sinkers.

Claiming that the Pacific is a husk and a pariah simply ignored reality. Five regions of any size have 'declared war' on the Pacific. Yes, Embassies have been closed, but that doesn't mean conversations have ceased. We have weathered much worse and much more legitimate threats than you in the past.

But please, continue to stroke your own ego. Time will prove me correct.

The number of regions that have declared war on the NPO is greater than five. I won't deny that the NPO has weathered worse than this, but that was when you had actual leaders who knew what they were doing, not imports from other games and hangers-on from this game who have nowhere else to go.

"Continue to stroke your own ego." What is it with you folks and these "Continue to..." phrases.

5 regions of over 100 people who have declared war on the NPO:
the black hawks
europeia
[region]Osiris[/region
lazarous
the kingdom of great Britain
hartfelden
pacifica
Augustin alliance
sonindia

Oh, that's more than 5, and I'm pretty sure I've probably missed one or two.

[McStooley]

Let's not even pretend that St Abbaddon didn't become "a legitimate military target" for you as soon as your protectorate agreement ended and Topid returned. St Abbaddon will always be in danger from the NPO and we will always be prepared to defend St Abbaddon against the NPO.

I'd say that the NPO isn't anywhere near the biggest threat to St. Abbaddon. It's more likely to be hit by TBH or any other raiding organization. None of the GCRs are really a threat to St. Abbaddon, I'm sure. I know that the several I'm a part of would rather have nothing to do with the region.
And honestly, why would NPO cancel a protectorate just to go back to protecting it? That sounds really silly, don't you think?

I do wish the best of luck to St. Abbaddon. I'm sure Topid will build it up like he did Pacifica.

[Xoriet]

Let's not even pretend that St Abbaddon didn't become "a legitimate military target" for you as soon as your protectorate agreement ended and Topid returned. St Abbaddon will always be in danger from the NPO and we will always be prepared to defend St Abbaddon against the NPO.

Actually, no. St Abbaddon and The Pacific ended on amicable terms. While we were still in a formal relationship, Kitsco made efforts to invite Topid back. At first they were conditional, but later on Kitsco offered an unconditional return to Topid on several occasions. We sanctioned this effort, as the major issues with Topid were centered in the previous administration, and I personally told Kitsco that they could withdraw from the treaty in order to make peace with Topid in St Abbaddon. I also told Kitsco that if Topid did not turn St Abbaddon into an anti-Pacific haven upon his return, we would be willing to aid St Abbaddon - with Topid as an active member - against raiders. St Abbaddon and The Pacific ended a formal relationship, but St Abbaddon I said had earned our friendship even without a treaty in place. Topid's return was sanctioned and the option for St Abbaddon to leave the treaty without any backlash from us to make amends with Topid was offered by The Pacific. This was not a recent effort. It dates a month or so back.

[Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar]

Let's not even pretend that St Abbaddon didn't become "a legitimate military target" for you as soon as your protectorate agreement ended and Topid returned. St Abbaddon will always be in danger from the NPO and we will always be prepared to defend St Abbaddon against the NPO.

Actually, no. St Abbaddon and The Pacific ended on amicable terms. While we were still in a formal relationship, Kitsco made efforts to invite Topid back. At first they were conditional, but later on Kitsco offered an unconditional return to Topid on several occasions. We sanctioned this effort, as the major issues with Topid were centered in the previous administration, and I personally told Kitsco that they could withdraw from the treaty in order to make peace with Topid in St Abbaddon. I also told Kitsco that if Topid did not turn St Abbaddon into an anti-Pacific haven upon his return, we would be willing to aid St Abbaddon - with Topid as an active member - against raiders. St Abbaddon and The Pacific ended a formal relationship, but St Abbaddon I said had earned our friendship even without a treaty in place. Topid's return was sanctioned and the option for St Abbaddon to leave the treaty without any backlash from us to make amends with Topid was offered by The Pacific. This was not a recent effort. It dates a month or so back.

So, I am not sure about this whole thing, but the APC told me that the situation was that NPO was being kicked out. 'Forcefully Ejected' was the term used.

I feel like I am not getting the real story on either side here...

[Airengard]

Actually, no. St Abbaddon and The Pacific ended on amicable terms. While we were still in a formal relationship, Kitsco made efforts to invite Topid back. At first they were conditional, but later on Kitsco offered an unconditional return to Topid on several occasions. We sanctioned this effort, as the major issues with Topid were centered in the previous administration, and I personally told Kitsco that they could withdraw from the treaty in order to make peace with Topid in St Abbaddon. I also told Kitsco that if Topid did not turn St Abbaddon into an anti-Pacific haven upon his return, we would be willing to aid St Abbaddon - with Topid as an active member - against raiders. St Abbaddon and The Pacific ended a formal relationship, but St Abbaddon I said had earned our friendship even without a treaty in place. Topid's return was sanctioned and the option for St Abbaddon to leave the treaty without any backlash from us to make amends with Topid was offered by The Pacific. This was not a recent effort. It dates a month or so back.

So, I am not sure about this whole thing, but the APC told me that the situation was that NPO was being kicked out. 'Forcefully Ejected' was the term used.

I feel like I am not getting the real story on either side here...

The NPO was already cancelling the treaty. All the APC did was capitalize on it to try and mark it as their victory. Nothing but opportunism.

[Armaros]

It's more likely to be hit by TBH or any other raiding organization.

Yep, because it's totally logical TBH would hit a region they just helped get Topid back in.

[Doing it Rightland]

The NPO was already cancelling the treaty. All the APC did was capitalize on it to try and mark it as their victory. Nothing but opportunism.

Yeah, it really sounds like as the NPO left, the APC swooped in to take its place. Can I also ask why Topid is ruling through a puppet? That seems a bit weird.

[McStooley]

It's more likely to be hit by TBH or any other raiding organization.

Yep, because it's totally logical TBH would hit a region they just helped get Topid back in.

I didn't say it would be soon, just that other raider groups, including the most prominent TBH, are a much bigger threat to the region than the NPO or any of the other feeders. Raiders will raid. And an easy target is an easy target.

[Armaros]

Yep, because it's totally logical TBH would hit a region they just helped get Topid back in.

I didn't say it would be soon, just that other raider groups, including the most prominent TBH, are a much bigger threat to the region than the NPO or any of the other feeders. Raiders will raid. And an easy target is an easy target.

I'm very curious as to what raider groups you're referring. Osiris is involved with getting Topid back in. So was TRI. This just makes no sense lol. And by the way: Topid is good at region building. He'll get it plenty of endos to keep it safe from most raiders (who most likely wouldn't raid them anyway).