Pacifica Embassy: Relocation to Thalassia

[Malphe]

So I am forced to assume that Pacifica is stepping away from it's focused anti-NPO stance and is drifting onto other things?

I thought you guys were suppose to be the Pacific Army of the modern times. My mistake. Good luck with "not defending".

Uh, do they have to be limited to purely being the anti-NPO guys forever? Can't they do other things without violating that?

[Armaros]

So I am forced to assume that Pacifica is stepping away from it's focused anti-NPO stance and is drifting onto other things?

I thought you guys were suppose to be the Pacific Army of the modern times. My mistake. Good luck with "not defending".

We are no more "stepping away" from anything than any other region that does more than one thing at a time. We are committed to war with the NPO, and we are also committed to the other things we do. This is generally what's known as being a well-rounded regional community. Believe it or not, being a well-rounded regional community with multiple sources of activity is likely to help us out more against the NPO in the long run. Building community is how you get and keep people to fight for a cause. It's why, for example, 10000 Islands is still a powerhouse and Lone Wolves United is a footnote.

Uhh.. define "powerhouse". If you're talking in number of nations/citizens/internal resources then sure. If you're talking about being prominent in gameplay and interregional relations then err....

[Kuriko]

We are no more "stepping away" from anything than any other region that does more than one thing at a time. We are committed to war with the NPO, and we are also committed to the other things we do. This is generally what's known as being a well-rounded regional community. Believe it or not, being a well-rounded regional community with multiple sources of activity is likely to help us out more against the NPO in the long run. Building community is how you get and keep people to fight for a cause. It's why, for example, 10000 Islands is still a powerhouse and Lone Wolves United is a footnote.

Uhh.. define "powerhouse". If you're talking in number of nations/citizens/internal resources then sure. If you're talking about being prominent in gameplay and interregional relations then err....

Lets see.... 10000 Islands

Largest defender military - check
Largest UCR population wise - check
Signed two treaties with other regions in the last 6 months - check
One of the most influential defender militaries besides TRR and TGW - check

Believe it or not, XKI is still influential and still a powerhouse in both defending and interregional relations. Just because we don't air everything we do to GP when we do it doesn't mean we don't do anything.

[Your Imaginary Friend]

Good to see Pacifica making so much internal and diplomatic progress. I look forward to working with you all more in the future.

[Armaros]

Uhh.. define "powerhouse". If you're talking in number of nations/citizens/internal resources then sure. If you're talking about being prominent in gameplay and interregional relations then err....

Lets see.... 10000 Islands

Largest defender military - check
Largest UCR population wise - check
Signed two treaties with other regions in the last 6 months - check
One of the most influential defender militaries besides TRR and TGW - check

Believe it or not, XKI is still influential and still a powerhouse in both defending and interregional relations. Just because we don't air everything we do to GP when we do it doesn't mean we don't do anything.

Most outdated updating force with backwards rules currently in R/D - check
Population wise only slightly ahead of Europeia, Europe and The Communist Bloc.
I can only remember the TRR one, which seemed more like a formality to me because it didn't do anything majorly.
As to the one if the most influential defender regions besides TGW and TRR: not hard, since those are the only 3 defender orgs left.

I highly doubt it's as influential in interregional relations as you claim, but sure.

[Killer Kitty]

It's why, for example, 10000 Islands is still a powerhouse and Lone Wolves United is a footnote.

I've got a joke

What do you call a raider group that Defenders simultaneously claim is dead and couped a Sinker not even 12 months ago?

Schrödinger's Wolves.

[Miss Bad Life Choices]

Nice update, Pacifica ^-^
Glad to see y'all are doing well

[Guard Captain]

Most outdated updating force with backwards rules currently in R/D - check

Able to field up to 5-7 updaters every minor, probably more for major. That's better than anyone I know. Just because they refuse to chase tag runs doesn't make them backwards.

Population wise only slightly ahead of Europeia, Europe and The Communist Bloc.

They broke 100 nations in 2003 (and never dropped past it), Euro and TCB were -3 at that point and didn't break 100 till 07 and 14 respectively. Do your homework.

I can only remember the TRR one, which seemed more like a formality to me because it didn't do anything majorly.

Just because it's not in your sphere doesn't make it any less amazing.

As to the one if the most influential defender regions besides TGW and TRR: not hard, since those are the only 3 defender orgs left.

And they've been that way for at least a decade, they've outlasted the rest of the old farts. Even back when defending was the popular thing to do.

Edit: Crap was signed into my puppet. DYP here

[Aclion]

Just because you don't wave it around in public doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

[The Tri State Area and Maine]

If you're talking about being prominent in gameplay and interregional relations then err....

Who actually cares about these things?

[Armaros]

First of all: I like the sheep guard.

Most outdated updating force with backwards rules currently in R/D - check

Able to field up to 5-7 updaters every minor, probably more for major. That's better than anyone I know. Just because they refuse to chase tag runs doesn't make them backwards.

I was more referring to the no switching rules which severely limit most missions.

Population wise only slightly ahead of Europeia, Europe and The Communist Bloc.

They broke 100 nations in 2003 (and never dropped past it), Euro and TCB were -3 at that point and didn't break 100 till 07 and 14 respectively. Do your homework.

I wasn't talking abiut the past, I was talking about now.

I can only remember the TRR one, which seemed more like a formality to me because it didn't do anything majorly.

Just because it's not in your sphere doesn't make it any less amazing.

Wut? I meant that I don't see a lot of change in their relations after they signed the treaty.

As to the one if the most influential defender regions besides TGW and TRR: not hard, since those are the only 3 defender orgs left.

And they've been that way for at least a decade, they've outlasted the rest of the old farts. Even back when defending was the popular thing to do.

Fair.

[Qwabour Harbour]

I see much 10000 Islands, not much Pacifica. Can we please continue talking about our wonderful speaker and new secretary of military affairs that has been appointed? I'm sure he is the most handsome speaker to lead Pacifica's congress.

[Armaros]

I see much 10000 Islands, not much Pacifica. Can we please continue talking about our wonderful speaker and new secretary of military affairs that has been appointed? I'm sure he is the most handsome speaker to lead Pacifica's congress.

I apologise for the threadjack. Congratulations to your newly elected people!

[Kuriko]

I see much 10000 Islands, not much Pacifica. Can we please continue talking about our wonderful speaker and new secretary of military affairs that has been appointed? I'm sure he is the most handsome speaker to lead Pacifica's congress.

This is why I brought it to our embassy thread, yet everyone else ignored that....

[Aclion]

First of all: I like the sheep guard.

Able to field up to 5-7 updaters every minor, probably more for major. That's better than anyone I know. Just because they refuse to chase tag runs doesn't make them backwards.

I was more referring to the no switching rules which severely limit most missions.

Not sure what rule you're referring to. TITO has no rule against switching.

[Cormactopia Prime]

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Important Notice from the Republic of Pacifica

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On behalf of the Republic of Pacifica, we regretfully notify our citizens and the world that Kostrorleauny, Pacifica's now former Secretary of State for World Assembly Affairs, has failed to disclose to us that he was previously known as Arthur K. Vasentius, Maerrduke, and various other associated aliases. Arthur K. Vasentius was previously a citizen of The Kingdom of Great Britain, a region that had until very recently been in nearly complete diplomatic isolation due to the toxic conduct of its former Monarch, George Mountbatten VI. Although we don't know for certain why Kostrorleauny failed to disclose his alternate identity, we can speculate that it was to avoid the stigma of having come from The Kingdom of Great Britain, an association that had already led to a February 2018 denial of citizenship in Osiris. Indeed, it was that rejected Osiran citizenship application, in which he listed his World Assembly nation as Kostrorleauny, that led us to uncover this alternate identity. The Republic of Pacifica thanks our friends in the Osiris Fraternal Order for their assistance in protecting our regional security.

As a result of failing to disclose this alternate identity, Kostrorleauny has been dismissed from all departments and ministries of our Council of State and Cabinet of Ministers with immediate effect. The President has appointed Bowzin as Attorney General to prosecute Kostrorleauny for the high crime of citizenship fraud, which carries a maximum penalty of permanent ban. Following acceptance of charges against Kostrorleauny by the High Court, the President will ask the Guardian Council to authorize the ejection and ban of Kostrorleauny's nation in Pacifica pending the outcome of his trial, in accordance with constitutional procedure. The President will additionally ask off-site administration to authorize Kostrorleauny's ban from our Discord server and restriction to the High Court subforum pending the outcome of his trial. Pacifica is an open and welcoming community, as we made clear when we gave Kostrorleauny a chance following his ban from the New Pacific Order, but we will not tolerate willful deception. Kostrorleauny has had multiple opportunities to disclose his alternate identity -- when he was personally invited to Pacifica by the President, when he was asked to disclose other aliases on his citizenship application, when he was appointed to the Council of State, and on at least two other notable occasions.

In addition to the internal measures we will be taking, we have released this statement to the general public via the Gameplay forum so that other regions subjected to Kostrorleauny's deception, particularly any that he may have visited during his time as a government official in Pacifica, can decide on the course of action appropriate for them. It's rare that someone engages in such long-term concealment of their identity for positive ends, so we believe we would be negligent not to inform others of our former government official's alternate identity. We hope this doesn't cause any inconvenience to any of our diplomatic partners or other regions Kostrorleauny may have visited.

Signed on behalf of the Republic of Pacifica,

Cormactopia Prime
President of the Republic of Pacifica

Wymondham2
Prime Minister of the Republic of Pacifica

[KhanterWinters]

Oh Arthur, why you did not shout your real ID? Is not that Hard.

[Qwabour Harbour]

rip khanter

[Armaros]

Well, I certainly did not see that coming. RIP Kost.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Of course, this was the wrong action to take, however should we not also be asking questions about why people think disclosing a KoGB identity will damage their chances of a citizenship application? Sometimes I don't list every identity I've ever had though, just for book-keeping reasons. You are probably not interested in who I was in 2010 (Diol, incidentally.)

[Qwabour Harbour]

However, the Kingdom of Great Britain has been blacklisted until very recently, and that includes the time Kostror was in the region. He was trying to conceal the identity of Arthur K Vasentius, and his citizenship may had been denied if he was in KoGB.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

However, the Kingdom of Great Britain has been blacklisted until very recently, and that includes the time Kostror was in the region. He was trying to conceal the identity of Arthur K Vasentius, and his citizenship may had been denied if he was in KoGB.

It really shouldn't be a problem anymore now, the people who do blacklisting (I happen to think it's ridiculous aside from like...the creaps) should probably let people know it's not blacklisted anymore.

[Qwabour Harbour]

BUT its not because he is in the region when blacklisted, it was that he failed to state it. There would be no way he could had forgotten, as intel from Osiris shows that he very clearly remembered it and put it down for Osiris citizenship.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

BUT its not because he is in the region when blacklisted, it was that he failed to state it. There would be no way he could had forgotten, as intel from Osiris shows that he very clearly remembered it and put it down for Osiris citizenship.

No, I'm not defending him (though if you need someone to do that in the trial I'd be happy to volunteer), just saying why he might have done it.

[Cormactopia Prime]

For the record, Kostrorleauny would not have been denied citizenship based on his prior affiliation with The Kingdom of Great Britain, and that is also completely beside the point. The issue is that he concealed major information about his already well-established NationStates identity from a community he was seeking to join. Whether Pacifica would have rejected his citizenship application or not isn't the issue, though we wouldn't have, but rather the issue is that we should have had the information to make that decision. You can't just deprive communities of information about you so you can join them because they don't have all the information. If a community isn't going to want you involved based on who you actually are, find one that does.

The bottom line is that citizenship fraud -- deliberately failing to disclose one's identity when applying for citizenship -- is the most common means of perpetrating in-character subversion against regions, especially democratic regions, as well as the most common means for out-of-character menaces to get involved in regions where they aren't wanted. I don't know if Kostrorleauny falls into either category, I rather suspect he doesn't, but we can't be light on punishing citizenship fraud regardless of his motives. This time it's Kostrorleauny, but next time it might be an in-character enemy like Feux or an out-of-character menace like 94 Block. I'm not interested in setting precedent whereby people argue someone like them should be treated with lenience because Kostrorleauny was lightly punished. Citizenship fraud is a crime in Pacifica for a reason, and it's going to be prosecuted. There's nothing unfair, unjust, or over the top about it. Communities should punish this kind of intentional deception when it occurs, regardless of the motive, because communities have the fundamental right to decide who will and will not participate in their communities, with all the information needed to make that decision.