Disclosure

[Marilyn Manson Freaks]

LMFAO. I was one of the people that encouraged Tubbius to join WA. It doesn't involve Grub or anyone else. Conspiracies like this just make people look silly.

[Lazarene Ryccia]

Ha! What a laugh! This coming from a serial liar?

You certainly possess a hilarious and eccentric imagination. Why should I believe this pathetic attempt at comedy? There is no evidence whatsoever for your claim. Where is it? Show it. Right now. You are just desperately trying to destabilize and discredit our region in such a foolish way, I am surprised this is the MO of an ex-NPO top official that fooled us all for a year or so. You can do better, because this is ridiculous. Do you have amnesia, are you trying to be a comedian, or what?

I really hope you do not enter the halls of power in the NPO ever again. This disgusting slander is intolerable. You have both attacked the honour and dignity of my region and of 10,000 Islands. Also, there is a glaring contradiction: if this was all a conspiracy to infiltrate Lazarus by a politically savvy, cunning mastermind, why the hell wait 5 years? I believe not anyone in 2013 could've forseen the events that led to today. Either they knew of the future as an impossibly precise planner, or Grub was really, really bad at obtaining power until now.

If what you say is true, Treadwellia and Grub would be punished for having more than one WA nation, and the 10,000 Islands would be fighting a war similar to the fall of the Black Riders. But, lo and behold, Grub is here, his puppet Titanica is here, and, most of all, our honourable, good-natured, independent and trustworthy Vice Delegate Treadwellia is with us.

[Benjabobaria]

AMOM, you are doing the NS community a great service...

by continuing to ruin your already non-existent credibility. Your work is remarkably amusing, please keep it up.

[Lamb Stone]

I'm glad someone has finally acknowledged the connection! Tubbius obviously waited for an opportune moment to WA up in Lazarus, despite being asked to do so long before that during a regime some say was an LWU-inside job. I don't know anything about that, but you know, if that were true, it would make sense why Grub wouldn't use his WA to benefit LWU. Clearly the agenda to mold Lazarus into a defender haven goes back much further than we previously suspected and it's truly sad to see how they have again managed to infiltrate the heart and soul of suchuh wundaful community. LWU has been fighting a war against 10KI for many years and we would gladly lend our expertise at defeating them to the rightful government of Lazarus.

[A mean old man]

Thank you for your input, Lamb Stone. Your insider opinion on the recent activities of this nation provides an insight that is sorely lacking in many of the previous commentators in this discussion. Few would know better than yourself of the nature of your former, "fellow" Lazarene.

At this point I would like to make note of how rapidly a reaction was garnered from both Treadwellia and 10kI in this thread, and how Treadwellia proceeded to intently monitor the thread for the following two hours. It took less than seven minutes after the thread's posting for the Most Rotund to make his debut here. Does this strike you as the behavior of an individual of clear conscience? No. It does not.

10kI's reaction is, furthermore, almost shockingly militant, and looks to be both coordinated and internally-policed. The responses rapidly goose-stepped in, one after another, and in quite the same form and file. One member's reply, of less harsh tone and more dismissive nature than the others, was even stricken (you won't find it now) within seconds after its posting. This was likely eliminated by the poster at the shrill demand of a higher-up in the organization. The fact that this effort to shut down these disclosures is so extensive and is very obviously being coordinated at the highest levels of 10kI command should be very revealing to you. How can we trust what they say? How can we be sure that this other WA nation they keep talking about is truly Grub's? We can't, and we shouldn't. Open your eyes.

[Of crazed]

I gotta say all the pieces seem to fit together in my book

Thank you for opening my eyes

[A mean old man]

Thank you for opening my eyes

No need to thank me. I am but a humble servant of the greater good, and have toiled undercover for years in the interests of protecting the sovereignty of regions like Lazarus. It's a thankless job, but somebody has to do it.

[Galiantus III]

Why should anyone take you seriously, AMOM? It has been clearly demonstrated that yourself and other members of the NPO were spying on and infiltrating Osiris. Now you want to suggest that XKI has been doing the exact same thing to Lazarus? Just... NO. I literally can't decide if this is parody or some strange attempt at distracting gameplay from the NPO. Either way, it doesn't exactly help anyone's image of you or the NPO: either you are proving your own immaturity, or you are showing everyone exactly how desperate the NPO is to craft a new scandal to distract from their diplomatic train-wreck.

[Of crazed]

If you're caught in a lie, you must deny

[Kuriko]

viewtopic.php?p=852255#p852255

Emphasis mine. An NS forum post by Titanica, from years ago, stating their identity as that of Grub. Now will you stop this BS?

[Cormactopia Prime]

https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=852255#p852255

Emphasis mine. An NS forum post by Titanica, from years ago, stating their identity as that of Grub. Now will you stop this BS?

Going to give y'all a hint about Feux, AMOM, and their ilk: The more bothered you seem by something, the more they'll do it.

Best thing you can do is ignore them and let this thread die.

[Of crazed]

https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=852255#p852255

Emphasis mine. An NS forum post by Titanica, from years ago, stating their identity as that of Grub. Now will you stop this BS?

I'm going to have to call a spade here, an attack on AMOM is an attack on his freedom. Defenders lose on the battlefield and are now resulting in bullying anyone who disagrees with them.

[A mean old man]

The more bothered you seem by something, the more they'll do it.

Not 100% on-point, but bothering people has never exactly been a deterrent.

[Twobagger]

This is a time of fervor and mystique. An era of shock and awe, a moment of excitement and uproar in Nationstates history. Tables have been turned. Regimes have been rattled. Recent events have inspired wars, retirements, exiles, and brought tensions and emotions to levels previously unheard-of in the last several years. But the main course of the day hasn't even been served.

Some hefty disclosures have been made; however, they pale in comparison to the gravity of what I am now about to expose to the world. For an infiltration far more advanced and with real, extensive political backing is currently underway. It is an operation that has spanned over half a decade. Its target: Lazarus - the very same Lazarus that has been on the minds and in the mention of NSers across the globe within the last three years, ever since the region was made relevant by the fall of the NLO.

Over 13 years ago the nation of Treadwellia was founded. It was allowed to CTE, and around 5 years ago was refounded in Lazarus. Shortly after its refounding and intermittently over the course of the next few years, the nation made fluffy, unsubstantial posts on the RMB, such as the ones sampled here:

• "Hello everyone! Back in NationStates after an absence of several years! ",
• "Feux is a dancing machine. . . man.",
• "So if we have a fake Phoenix King, would he be a Faux Feux?",
• "Ack! It thinks I am an Iron Fisted Consumerist! Noooooo! ",
• "WHY must it think me Psychotic agaaaaaain? This makes me sad.",
• "But I like Lazarus. It is my home now. ",
• ":) I love this game. You people are nutty.",
• "I'm tired. I should be working. Can I hang out in Lazarus for a bit instead?",
• "Down with puppets! Up with Feux! ",
• "We lost Feux? ",
• "I don't drink. I cannot vote in this poll. ",
• ":( Poor Lazarus in turmoil?",
• "Thank you, Funkadelia. It's a screenshot close-up of my old character from City of Heroes, who was a Santa-costumed plant controller.",
• "Also, Stujenske. . . Noodles, buddy. You typed "Noobles," with a B?",
• "Kazmr, Tina Turner said it best, right? "I can't stand the rai-aiiiiiin. . . against my windoooooow. . . . .",
• "Hooray! Kazmr speaks the noble language of the benevolent Tubbius of Treadwellia! Rejoice!"

With the obvious obsession with Feux and the passive yet clear tilts at bringing attention to what some would refer to as malpractices of his regime, one could only wonder what'd cause an unknown, ancient puppet nation that had just been revived to cause such disruption in an otherwise peaceful, blissful region. This is especially puzzling, given these are the nation's very first posts after over 8 years of not posting on an RMB at all. So who might be behind this nation? Who could it possibly be, HMMM?

Two years after its refounding, the RMB posting of Treadwellia accelerated and evolved. The narrative then centered around Tubbius, the "most rotund". Treadwellia had stepped up his game - but not to the height of its ability. Only recently, with the fall of Evil Wolf and the rise of Imki, did Treadwellia finally gain WA - only recently, around the same time that a certain player supposedly retired from his position elsewhere.

There are few nations as old and as active as Treadwellia and even fewer would have any motivation to pursue a gainful presence within Lazarus. Among these few, there is only one nation with the political backing, the military prowess, and unwavering motivation to pursue such an offense against a sovereign region. Between the extensive and telling history of his posts on the RMB, his recent and rapid rise through the ranks in Lazarus at the most opportune moment, and the reports of my numerous confirmed sources, I can announce to you today that Treadwellia is, in fact, Grub.

Thanks for this, AMOM. The evidence you've posted is truly stunning. One might even call it eye-opening.

How were you able to make the connection between these two nations that, at first glance, don't seem to have anything to do with each other at all?

[Kavagrad]

This is a time of fervor and mystique. An era of shock and awe, a moment of excitement and uproar in Nationstates history. Tables have been turned. Regimes have been rattled. Recent events have inspired wars, retirements, exiles, and brought tensions and emotions to levels previously unheard-of in the last several years. But the main course of the day hasn't even been served.

Some hefty disclosures have been made; however, they pale in comparison to the gravity of what I am now about to expose to the world. For an infiltration far more advanced and with real, extensive political backing is currently underway. It is an operation that has spanned over half a decade. Its target: Lazarus - the very same Lazarus that has been on the minds and in the mention of NSers across the globe within the last three years, ever since the region was made relevant by the fall of the NLO.

Over 13 years ago the nation of Treadwellia was founded. It was allowed to CTE, and around 5 years ago was refounded in Lazarus. Shortly after its refounding and intermittently over the course of the next few years, the nation made fluffy, unsubstantial posts on the RMB, such as the ones sampled here:

• "Hello everyone! Back in NationStates after an absence of several years! ",
• "Feux is a dancing machine. . . man.",
• "So if we have a fake Phoenix King, would he be a Faux Feux?",
• "Ack! It thinks I am an Iron Fisted Consumerist! Noooooo! ",
• "WHY must it think me Psychotic agaaaaaain? This makes me sad.",
• "But I like Lazarus. It is my home now. ",
• ":) I love this game. You people are nutty.",
• "I'm tired. I should be working. Can I hang out in Lazarus for a bit instead?",
• "Down with puppets! Up with Feux! ",
• "We lost Feux? ",
• "I don't drink. I cannot vote in this poll. ",
• ":( Poor Lazarus in turmoil?",
• "Thank you, Funkadelia. It's a screenshot close-up of my old character from City of Heroes, who was a Santa-costumed plant controller.",
• "Also, Stujenske. . . Noodles, buddy. You typed "Noobles," with a B?",
• "Kazmr, Tina Turner said it best, right? "I can't stand the rai-aiiiiiin. . . against my windoooooow. . . . .",
• "Hooray! Kazmr speaks the noble language of the benevolent Tubbius of Treadwellia! Rejoice!"

With the obvious obsession with Feux and the passive yet clear tilts at bringing attention to what some would refer to as malpractices of his regime, one could only wonder what'd cause an unknown, ancient puppet nation that had just been revived to cause such disruption in an otherwise peaceful, blissful region. This is especially puzzling, given these are the nation's very first posts after over 8 years of not posting on an RMB at all. So who might be behind this nation? Who could it possibly be, HMMM?

Two years after its refounding, the RMB posting of Treadwellia accelerated and evolved. The narrative then centered around Tubbius, the "most rotund". Treadwellia had stepped up his game - but not to the height of its ability. Only recently, with the fall of Evil Wolf and the rise of Imki, did Treadwellia finally gain WA - only recently, around the same time that a certain player supposedly retired from his position elsewhere.

There are few nations as old and as active as Treadwellia and even fewer would have any motivation to pursue a gainful presence within Lazarus. Among these few, there is only one nation with the political backing, the military prowess, and unwavering motivation to pursue such an offense against a sovereign region. Between the extensive and telling history of his posts on the RMB, his recent and rapid rise through the ranks in Lazarus at the most opportune moment, and the reports of my numerous confirmed sources, I can announce to you today that Treadwellia is, in fact, Grub.

Thanks for this, AMOM. The evidence you've posted is truly stunning. One might even call it eye-opening.

How were you able to make the connection between these two nations that, at first glance, don't seem to have anything to do with each other at all?

I believe the first step, as I understand it, is to make shit up.

[Consular]

Some of you took this disturbingly seriously...

[Cormactopia Prime]

Some of you took this disturbingly seriously...

I don't think most of us are prepared to find AMOM particularly funny at the moment. It also just wasn't that funny.

[A mean old man]

Some of you took this disturbingly seriously...

Are you familiar with a game called Nationstates?