Imperial Statement from the New Pacific Order

[Vespertania]

I don't think others giving TWI a cold reaction for basically saying, "We think it's fun to watch other communities be overthrown and destabilized" is any more unreasonable than Pacificans giving a cold reaction to others saying, "NPO delenda est". When you make light about destroying someone's home and community that they love, there's bound to be a few rustled jimmies about it.

It is when TWI is responding to demands from relative strangers for them to close an embassy they've had with another community for a long time. For no reward (oh wait, there was that one supposed bribe).

They're not an R/D region. They don't follow R/D etiquette.

Wtf does anyone think was going to happen?

[Borovan entered the region as he]

Chaos is the only true way to peace with out chaos the people get restless and bored and die. CHAOS IS PEACE and PEACE IS CHAOS.

also peace is a myth .

Yes but people are more comfortable with peace

[Kurnugia]

GP doesn't know what respect is. And this is not directed at Cormac, it was YOU who thought it was. It was directed at GP in general.
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Ironic. Coming from a region that had no qualms subverting and blackmailing other regions when they got the chance to.

[The Federation of Spokane]

I shall ally with the black hawks if needed. The NPO’s ideas are just hairbrained in general and you are basically insulting everyone who has had worked with the black hawks in some way.

[2SDOATS]

Chaos is the only true way to peace with out chaos the people get restless and bored and die. CHAOS IS PEACE and PEACE IS CHAOS.

also peace is a myth .

Yes but people are more comfortable with peace

People are sheep and drones.

So what the people want is irrelevant.

Only the 1% in ns move GP along, not the people.

[The Gilded Star]

It is when TWI is responding to demands from relative strangers for them to close an embassy they've had with another community for a long time. For no reward (oh wait, there was that one supposed bribe).

They're not an R/D region. They don't follow R/D etiquette.

Wtf does anyone think was going to happen?

You can be dismissive of those requests without being provocative about it. I mean, don't get me wrong, I agree that other regions asking TWI to shut down their relations with NPO "just because" is in poor taste, but what would you yourself expect to happen if the response is, "We refuse your requests for <insert reasonable explanations here>, but also BTW your home being burned to the ground is funny and entertaining to us". That's unnecessary wound-salting of an otherwise respectably neutral response.

[Vespertania]

It is when TWI is responding to demands from relative strangers for them to close an embassy they've had with another community for a long time. For no reward (oh wait, there was that one supposed bribe).

They're not an R/D region. They don't follow R/D etiquette.

Wtf does anyone think was going to happen?

You can be dismissive of those requests without being provocative about it. It's not hard, man. I mean, don't get me wrong, I agree that other regions asking TWI to shut down their relations with NPO "just because" is in poor taste, but what would you yourself expect to happen if the response is, "We refuse your requests for <insert reasonable explanations here>, but also BTW your home being burned to the ground is funny and entertaining to us". That's unnecessary wound-salting of an otherwise respectably neutral response.

Isn't one of the central reasons for the campaign against the New Pacific Order about defending regional sovereignty, though? Isn't it hypocritical for the side championing this to actively coerce a region to close an embassy against the community's will, thus effectively fucking with their sovereign right of self-determination? How can any anti-NPO coalition remain on moral high ground in this case?

[Greater vakolicci haven]

It is when TWI is responding to demands from relative strangers for them to close an embassy they've had with another community for a long time. For no reward (oh wait, there was that one supposed bribe).

They're not an R/D region. They don't follow R/D etiquette.

Wtf does anyone think was going to happen?

You can be dismissive of those requests without being provocative about it. I mean, don't get me wrong, I agree that other regions asking TWI to shut down their relations with NPO "just because" is in poor taste, but what would you yourself expect to happen if the response is, "We refuse your requests for <insert reasonable explanations here>, but also BTW your home being burned to the ground is funny and entertaining to us". That's unnecessary wound-salting of an otherwise respectably neutral response.

I don't think they meant it in that way at all. Peoples home regions getting attacked in some way are the only major gameplay events; I think they just meant it adds necessary excitement to the game.

[Yokiria]

Isn't one of the central reasons for the campaign against the New Pacific Order about defending regional sovereignty, though? Isn't it hypocritical for the side championing this to actively coerce a region to close an embassy against the community's will, thus effectively fucking with their sovereign right of self-determination? How can any anti-NPO coalition remain on moral high ground in this case?

The coalition sent a few telegrams politely asking TWI to close their embassy with the NPO, stating the case for why they should. The coalition did not "bribe", "coerce", or "fuck with sovereign rights". You, along with TWI, along with NPO members in this thread, are taking a harmless matter and attempting to twist it to make us look bad. It is obvious, and it is shameless.

The only one possibly on the coalition's side that crossed the line was the individual that went onto TWI's RMB and criticized their institutions, although I suspect that if they are on our side, they are very loosely tied with us. As can be seen by GVH's own personal disagreement here, the coalition is not a hive-mind.

Without any definite proof that the individual that criticized TWI's institutions on their RMB was aligned with the anti-NPO coalition, the following can be accurately stated: Everything we have done in this matter has been entirely appropriate, and TWI's response has been entirely over-dramatic.

[The Gilded Star]

Isn't one of the central reasons for the campaign against the New Pacific Order about defending regional sovereignty, though? Isn't it hypocritical for the side championing this to actively coerce a region to close an embassy against the community's will, thus effectively fucking with their sovereign right of self-determination? How can any anti-NPO coalition remain on moral high ground in this case?

Is it coercion? I don't think requests or even bribe attempts cross the line as long as the rejection is accepted. As for as dispatch responses, the focus so far seems centered on TWI's antagonistic comment towards the misfortunes of other regions rather than their rejection of cutting ties with NPO.

That being said, the situation of the Anti-NPO Coalition being hypocritical is convoluted. I mean, the coalition includes raiders in its ranks, the polar opposite of defenders. The catch there though is that the coalition comprises of many nations and regions of different colors and stripes, all unified in one goal, though their reasons for doing so might vary. As a result, the coalition isn't really going to follow any uniform morals, standards, or goals beyond that one specific point that united them. Unlike say, the NPO, where all members are unified under one Emperor, where dissenting messages would be far more peculiar.

So... I can really only speak on my own behalf there, I can't and won't attempt to defend the rather varied coalition as a whole. Individually, people's reasons and methods for opposing the NPO will probably be consistent. Lump them all together, though, and probably none of it will make any sense at all. I'm sure some people of the coalition would be fighting one another if it wasn't for the NPO being the more threatening foe to them.

I don't think they meant it in that way at all. Peoples home regions getting attacked in some way are the only major gameplay events; I think they just meant it adds necessary excitement to the game.

Agreed. Much the same as I think some "NPO Delenda Est" people are just looking for excitement and don't have any actual malice or hard-feelings towards the people behind NPO. Nonetheless, speak words like that around people looking for conflict, and you're bound to create trouble. Not that TWI would have known any better, focusing on RP rather than politics, but that's not going to exempt them from "the Great Game" once they enter the field.

[Yokiria]

Agreed. Much the same as I think some "NPO Delenda Est" people are just looking for excitement and don't have any actual malice or hard-feelings towards the people behind NPO. Nonetheless, speak words like that around people looking for conflict, and you're bound to create trouble. Not that TWI would have known any better, focusing on RP rather than politics, but that's not going to exempt them from "the Great Game" once they enter the field.

While the inhabitants of the region he controls can be described as such, Vancouvia is no sweet summer child; no naive roleplayer. This is not the first time he has thrown himself politically into the fire, simply to cause annoyance. Ask anyone bothered by his tendencies in the World Assembly.

[Drop Your Pants]

The coalition sent a few telegrams politely asking TWI to close their embassy with the NPO, stating the case for why they should. The coalition did not "bribe", "coerce", or "fuck with sovereign rights". You, along with TWI, along with NPO members in this thread, are taking a harmless matter and attempting to twist it to make us look bad. It is obvious, and it is shameless.

Define a few for us? And for transparency, why not show us the TG's you sent.

What's shameless is Cormac resorting to a mild threat seemingly automatically. Makes you wonder who else he's attempted this on.

[Yokiria]

Define a few for us? And for transparency, why not show us the TG's you sent.

few
/fyo͞o/
determiner, adjective, & pronoun
1.
a small number of.
"may I ask a few questions?"
synonyms: a small number, a handful, one or two, a couple, two or three;
2.
used to emphasize how small a number of people or things is.
"he had few friends"
synonyms: scarce, scant, meager, insufficient, in short supply;

As for TG's, I cannot show you the ones I sent to the Western Isles, as I did not send any. If you are asking me to show you the other coalition members' TGs, then I would have to ask them first before I show them to a bunch of strangers.

What's shameless is Cormac resorting to a mild threat seemingly automatically. Makes you wonder who else he's attempted this on.

Your continued efforts to demonize Cormac based on essentially nothing are going to go nowhere, but I will give you credit for your determination.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Since, as you say, the coalition is not a united force, how can any of us be certain of the number of tgs that were sent to TWI? For all we know, they got one from TBH, one from Osiris, one from Pacifica, one from Europeia, one from Hartfelden, One from Amistris, One from KoGB, one from TRI...the list goes on. These tgs are harmless on their own but when sent in large numbers they could be thought of as a nuisance. This is why I have long believed that a platform to coordinate the coalitions activities is needed, to prevent wires being crossed and plans being messed up.

[Devi]

What's shameless is Cormac resorting to a mild threat seemingly automatically. Makes you wonder who else he's attempted this on.

What's shameless is a member of the NPO and Legio Pacificus clearly pushing their 'Cormac is an ebil bully' agenda. It's almost as if you have a narrative to push yourself

[Saint Block]

Galianutus’s discord server seems like a good starting point for a United coalition against the NPO. As far as I can tell, it’s the only meaninfgul effort put forward that has any medium of realistic potential to seeing the dismantling of The NPO from The Pacific.

[Aclion]

Galianutus’s discord server seems like a good starting point for a United coalition against the NPO. As far as I can tell, it’s the only meaninfgul effort put forward that has any medium of realistic potential to seeing the dismantling of The NPO from The Pacific.

The guy has zero sense of operational security.

[Drop Your Pants]

What's shameless is a member of the NPO and Legio Pacificus clearly pushing their 'Cormac is an ebil bully' agenda. It's almost as if you have a narrative to push yourself

You got me, i'm still pushing the FRA narrative

[Saint Block]

There’s no way to have total OpSec in raiding an established GCR, especially the NPO held Pacific.

[Myrth]

Galianutus’s discord server seems like a good starting point for a United coalition against the NPO. As far as I can tell, it’s the only meaninfgul effort put forward that has any medium of realistic potential to seeing the dismantling of The NPO from The Pacific.

realistic potential to seeing the dismantling of The NPO from The Pacific.

Not really much one can say to that besides this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1UtRnGn5hc

[Cormactopia Prime]

The coalition sent a few telegrams politely asking TWI to close their embassy with the NPO, stating the case for why they should. The coalition did not "bribe", "coerce", or "fuck with sovereign rights". You, along with TWI, along with NPO members in this thread, are taking a harmless matter and attempting to twist it to make us look bad. It is obvious, and it is shameless.

Define a few for us? And for transparency, why not show us the TG's you sent.

What's shameless is Cormac resorting to a mild threat seemingly automatically. Makes you wonder who else he's attempted this on.

Again, the "threat" -- if you can even realistically call it that -- was simply that our regions aren't likely to forget the disrespectful dispatch and accusation of "bribery," meaning we're not likely to want embassies with TWI in the future either. Given we don't have embassies now, that's really not much of a threat.

I'll also note this has nothing to do with TWI deciding not to close its embassy with the Pacific, and everything to do with the disrespect shown to our regions in that dispatch and subsequent Gameplay post. I genuinely couldn't care less whether TWI closes its embassy or not. Vancouvia can confirm, if they're interested, that I'm not among those who sent them a telegram asking for the embassy to be closed. I couldn't care less about that. I do care if regions I'm involved in are disrespected, accused of "bribery," etc. As would anyone. That's hardly controversial. So while your unhealthy obsession with what I'm doing is noted again, as usual you're trying to make something out of nothing. Now please return to doing what it is you do best, which is nothing at all.

[Prusenreich]

This is where the fun begins

[Malphe]

Not really much one can say to that besides this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1UtRnGn5hc

Did you upload that video yourself for this post? o-0

[Roundball]

What's shameless is Cormac resorting to a mild threat seemingly automatically. Makes you wonder who else he's attempted this on.

What's shameless is a member of the NPO and Legio Pacificus clearly pushing their 'Cormac is an ebil bully' agenda. It's almost as if you have a narrative to push yourself

What else is shameless is the apparent takeover of Osiris by The Black Hawks.

[Pierconium]

It's almost like Francoism is just an excuse for the NPO to perpetrate coups against other Feeders and Sinkers, and they're not really committed to it.

There is growing evidence to support the idea that there are no Francoists left active in NationStates; only imperialists that pretend to be Francoists out of convenience.

Francoism, like every ideology created for games like NS, is a tool that is utilised for a specific end. It has always been a bit of a farce and a means of manipulating the masses towards a specific goal.

I’ve always found it bothersome and a bit disappointing that so many of the dealers started using their own product. Never drink your own kool-aid, kids.