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How fun... Anyone else want popcorn?

Sanjurika wrote:How fun... Anyone else want popcorn?

Yes, can I have some popcorn? I need for my RP only players and maybe some to bring along with me as I battle back the NPO!

RiderSyl wrote:

Astarial wrote:Myrth is hiding behind duality, folks. You're never going to get a straight answer out of him.

For those of you who weren't around when the NPO fabricated the idea, it can basically be summed up as pretending that the different nations you control are completely separate with no overlap and no bias. If EuroFounder did something, well, goshdarnit, Myrth certainly didn't have any influence, and it was solely and entirely because the identity of EuroFounder considered it to be the best thing to do.

If that sounds like crap, it's because it absolutely is, and duality is a notion fell out of vogue some time ago.

EuroFounder is clearly a tulpa of Myrth.

Osiris memes? I'm loving it.

Unibot III wrote:

Astarial wrote:Myrth is hiding behind duality, folks. You're never going to get a straight answer out of him.

For those of you who weren't around when the NPO fabricated the idea, it can basically be summed up as pretending that the different nations you control are completely separate with no overlap and no bias. If EuroFounder did something, well, goshdarnit, Myrth certainly didn't have any influence, and it was solely and entirely because the identity of EuroFounder considered it to be the best thing to do.

If that sounds like crap, it's because it absolutely is, and duality is a notion fell out of vogue some time ago.

He actually hasn't denied being EuroFounder at all in any of these posts if you parse his sentences closely and literally, looking for non sequiturs and such. **** Which is admirably classic NPO. ****

Also there's a real duality at play here, I think. The rumour has always been that there are two co-owners of EuroFounder: Myrth and an unknown player. The joke (and in all reality, general practice) in the GA back in the day was to always ask EuroFounder twice for things when the delegate needed permission. If he/she refused the first time, the second player often countermanded the first refusal. This inevitably would get us in loads of shit when Myrth would come online and countermand the aboutface with violent urgency. I experienced this many a time...

Well that is why I stopped pushing the issue, I felt that no matter how I worded it, Myrth was never going to give me an answer that addressed the question. Conveniently enough, that is plenty an answer for me and other people who were curious as to how Myrth was going to act here. It would become infinitely trivial to sit here and try to word question after question in such a way to prevent someone from snaking out of them when they have no intention to answer in good faith to begin with.

The Emperor of the New Pacific Order, East Durthang, issued the following statement to the Pacific by telegram this morning:

Statement from the Emperor on Current Affairs and Appointments

On Current Affairs

It is no secret that the past few days have been tumultuous and quite frankly, exhausting for everyone. Amidst the chaos our Emperor Aleisyr and Consul Pergamon made the decision to retire, the former appointing me as his successor.

For those of you you do not know me I will say this. I have been a member of NPO for almost ten years, though mostly beyond the confines of NationStates. Across our fifteen year history, my name could be argued among the top few most influential Pacificans. My leadership style is, however, vastly different than what many here are accustomed to. It is direct, filled with change, open within circumstances, and engaging, leading to some to nickname me "The People's Emperor."

We have much work ahead of us. Together we will restore the New Pacific Order to its proper place as a shining beacon and example to all. Our actions will affect every nation and region for the better. (Sorry, I'm afraid that involves no coups or takeovers.)

On that note please keep Aleisyr endorsed while we continue to build up my (East Durthang) endorsements. Instructions to join the world assembly can be found here.

Even with all the accusations and hate being levied against us we must remain united and supportive of each other. It is not Pacifican to succumb to petty arguments and hate spewing from the mouths of our opponents and we will remain quiet until cooler heads prevail. We must also remember that our opponents themselves are not innocent when it comes to taking over other regions, propping up/enabling shady characters, or conducting espionage. Yesterday we outed several spies who leaked content and information from our member only areas related to the current happenings.

We, like anyone, have undoubtedly made mistakes in the past. It is unfortunate that our opponents resorted to launching a preemptive attack intended to seize control of our protectorate, St Abbaddon (whose governance is at the discretion of their own leadership rather than ours), rather than attempting to air their grievances diplomatically. The New Pacific Order does not condone inappropriate out-of-character activities and has always worked to remove anyone discovered to have partaken in them. We do, however, recognize that we are not always aware of the full details surrounding such actions and thus cannot always make perfect decisions, nor can we always pay attention to where they or their aliases may go. Nonetheless we will be working to streamline our efforts in this regard and others going forward.

I look forward to the day when we can sheath our swords and return to an era of peace, strength, and prosperity. Ever forward! Pacifica prevails!

If you would like a less disruptive environment to chat with fellow members consider signing up for citizenship on our offsite forum and joining our Discord server.

Forum: https://ns.npowned.net/forum
Discord: https://discord.gg/g5x6UZ4

Appointments

I do hereby appoint Comrades Jar Wattinree and Xoriet as Tribune and Legatus, respectively, in the Pacifican senate. Jar will oversee our courts and legal system while Xoriet will oversee our foreign affairs.

I do hereby appoint our recently returned, retired Regent The Seeker of Power to the rank of Deputy Legatus in the Diplomatic Corps.

I do hereby appoint Comrade CaveDweller to Jar's former position as Governor of Province Ardere.

Congratulate them when you see them.


If you have any questions don't hesitate to contact myself or one of our other government officials.

East Durthang
(Lord of Darkness)
Emperor of the New Pacific Order

Cormactopia Prime wrote:The Emperor of the New Pacific Order, East Durthang, issued the following statement to the Pacific by telegram this morning:

Probably didn't put it here because it'd get shredded. Thanks for giving me that shot.

Statement from the Emperor on Current Affairs and Appointments

On Current Affairs

It is no secret that the past few days have been tumultuous and quite frankly, exhausting for everyone. Amidst the chaos our Emperor Aleisyr and Consul Pergamon made the decision to retire, the former appointing me as his successor.

Just like Perg resigned last year, and was back before too long? Or is this one for real?

For those of you you do not know me I will say this. I have been a member of NPO for almost ten years, though mostly beyond the confines of NationStates. Across our fifteen year history, my name could be argued among the top few most influential Pacificans. My leadership style is, however, vastly different than what many here are accustomed to. It is direct, filled with change, open within circumstances, and engaging, leading to some to nickname me "The People's Emperor."

I'll give credit - I've heard from CN and P&W players that you're less of a snake.

We have much work ahead of us. Together we will restore the New Pacific Order to its proper place as a shining beacon and example to all. Our actions will affect every nation and region for the better. (Sorry, I'm afraid that involves no coups or takeovers.)

Can we get a better definition of your take on Pacifican values? Those are nice vague platitudes, but they don't really say if you'll still aim to be an "example" by force short of outright takeovers, certainly makes no pledge to stop the rampant infiltration and espionage, and further, quite a few takes on your core ideology would still me a default hostile state to UCR's.

On that note please keep Aleisyr endorsed while we continue to build up my (East Durthang) endorsements. Instructions to join the world assembly can be found here.

You've slowed down with 150 to go, and can't move many more of the 100 military endorsements deployed without risking St Abbaddon. Will you even make it into the delegacy before Ale comes back at this rate, or is there a point at which you accept a loss in endorsement level?

Even with all the accusations and hate being levied against us we must remain united and supportive of each other. It is not Pacifican to succumb to petty arguments and hate spewing from the mouths of our opponents

Such petty arguments as "please don't attempt to take over your fellow GCR's," "please stop planting figures in our government to leak info to you," "please stop being hostile to raiding orgs for no particular reason," and also the whole "please stop keeping alternate identities of players you know are shunned hidden from other admin teams."

and we will remain quiet until cooler heads prevail.

*until we think enough time has passed that we can get away with just reverting to default as usual

We must also remember that our opponents themselves are not innocent when it comes to taking over other regions,

Since when was The Pacific moralist defender? For many of us, it's not about taking over regions as much as it is about undermining the very core of your ideology by being an aggressive actor against fellow GCR's in addition to UCR's that have never gone anywhere near The Pacifics business. Though, while we're on the subject, I imagine the people who do take issue with the subjugation of St Abbaddon don't, in fact, tend to force regions into tearing themselves apart, over a joking WFE.

propping up/enabling shady characters,

As a matter of fact, the rest of the admin teams for major regions have a pretty damn good record of finding problem players, sharing information regarding them, and removing the from play. It's why, you know, "shunned" players are...shunned. People who shelter such characters are cut out. TI, TRE, USSD - even Raiding has put character over Unity. Trying to project this has been an utter farce.

or conducting espionage.

As a matter of fact, most of the regions quite mad at you don't in fact spy. Some conduct counter-espionage, to find spies, but one of the biggest piles of bullshit throughout The Pacific's regional response has been "they're hypocrites because how could they have logs of us spying if they weren't spying?" It's really not a hard concept. Ya got leaks, boi. Your own people revealing your shadiness with their lack of an OPSEC filter and low barriers as to whom to trust is no fault of your former allies'

Yesterday we outed several spies who leaked content and information from our member only areas related to the current happenings.

See above: Leaks =! Spies. The difference is why they were there in the first place, and the information coming from your community is not coming from people sent in by outside forces to get it (spies), it's coming from former members of your own circles that have had enough (leaks). Elementary level differentiation, come on. I mean, I know it's intentional - I see your statement update, Halo, and expect others are considering similar takes after this message. I hope you're watching their rhetoric here, and considering that The Pacific continues to avoid admitting near any wrongdoing, instead blaming y'all for catching them and calling them out. Don't eat it.

We, like anyone, have undoubtedly made mistakes in the past. It is unfortunate that our opponents resorted to launching a preemptive attack intended to seize control of our protectorate, St Abbaddon (whose governance is at the discretion of their own leadership rather than ours), rather than attempting to air their grievances diplomatically.

What a load of horse shit.
>The TBH-led attack on St Abbaddon was hardly preemptive. It followed ages of both military and informational attacks on TBH by The Pacific
>TBH attempted no less than three times to resolve the issue diplomatically, and each time every promise The Pacific made was broken within weeks or months.
>St Abbaddon's "governance" is the natives you chose to be allowed there in the first place. It's ridiculous to act like their "choice" is legit when you removed opposition to it.
>Most of those taking issue with you did not deploy to St Abbaddon, or even deployed on your side.
>Why should anyone trust anything you say diplomatically, when it became clear through the leaked logs that your entire leadership is willing to blatantly and even publicly lie if they think that have any chance of getting away with it?
>Might you care to acknowledge any of the "mistakes"you've made? I know this is meant to be an internal statement, and not an external one, but at some point you're going to have to be more specific to stand a shred of chance at recovery.

The New Pacific Order does not condone inappropriate out-of-character activities and has always worked to remove anyone discovered to have partaken in them.

Factually untrue. Well, maybe *technically* true - there was no need to work to "remove" the figures in questions, because as I'll discuss more below, you refused to allow them to join...just kept their identities hidden and tried to use them as agents.

We do, however, recognize that we are not always aware of the full details surrounding such actions and thus cannot always make perfect decisions, nor can we always pay attention to where they or their aliases may go. Nonetheless we will be working to streamline our efforts in this regard and others going forward.

Bullshit.

For one, the quote regarding Attero makes absolutely clear that you knew it was an alias hiding from the community at large.

Karenus: (they don't know Comrade Sarah = Attero?)
Nakari: tart tart tart tart tart
[Ark: I don't think there are any WAs left for me to endo :/
Pergamon: It's public knowledge at this point Karenus
Pergamon: you missed a whole lot
Pergamon: ^^^^
Pergamon: @Karenus
Pergamon: We didn't rat him out however
Pergamon: he fucked himself
Karenus: I mean, they're talking like it wasn't
Pergamon: we kept our word

To "rat out" someone, they have to be doing something wrong, you have to know it, and you have to know someone would be interested in knowing that. Beyond that, we've got less proof on your thoughts regarding Attero, though, so I'll just leave that at "even in 2017, knowledge of his shunning had been absolutely ubiquitous for years," and focus on Block, where this is *provably* utter and complete horse shit. To reply not just to your statement here, but also Perg's resignation -

When he returned, he returned under the persona of Bradley and I figured out his identity, I simply remembered his meltdowns of the past and told him not to fuck up this time. I didn't understand the hate in general against him, but I thought if other organizations would deem him unwelcome they would do so after finding out that behind this alternate persona of Bradley, would be the player of Block. I just didn't want to be a total ass to him, in a way I was feeling pity how outcast he was. I didn't want to tell him on everyone because I knew how unpopular he was. He tried to play NationStates with me again, which I refused. He tried to get intelligence about the New Pacific Order from me, on which I told him to buzz off. Nothing more happened.

- This directly contradicts hard proof, which I'l let generally speak for itself.

The NPO refused to let Block join:
https://i.imgur.com/naZJ7wr.png
https://i.imgur.com/whyNDlj.png
Why refuse to let him join if you had no idea he had issues?

And it's brought up a few times how "bad" Block is and how Perg will "lecture" - but won't blow his "cover."
https://i.imgur.com/w96lr0r.png

Instead, he was given advice on staying hidden:
https://i.imgur.com/HL0uP27.png

And asked to spy for you:
https://i.imgur.com/XKR6JKy.png

Additionally, one of your new appointments, who granted likely was not privy to the fact The Pacific was sheltering him prior to this reveal, still expressed the view that The Pacific was doing something "benevolent" - kind and right - by sheltering him, and that he's worse for having come clean and throwing them under the bus in the process. Is this the sort of outlook you wish to promote "going forward?"
https://i.imgur.com/Th8gEgi.jpg

I look forward to the day when we can sheath our swords and return to an era of peace, strength, and prosperity. Ever forward! Pacifica prevails!

"I look forwards to the day when we can go back to spying on and couping our allies without them finding out and pitching a fit. Hail Francoism!"

If you would like a less disruptive environment to chat with fellow members consider signing up for citizenship on our offsite forum and joining our Discord server.

Forum: https://ns.npowned.net/forum
Discord: https://discord.gg/g5x6UZ4

Hey, I'd like you to be less disruptive to my and your allies' environments. How about that?

Appointments

I do hereby appoint Comrades Jar Wattinree and Xoriet as Tribune and Legatus, respectively, in the Pacifican senate. Jar will oversee our courts and legal system while Xoriet will oversee our foreign affairs.

Ah, lovely. People who cry "fake news" and "slander" when faced with the best proof anyone on NS has ever had of a littany of wrongdoing. They've done nothing but spread propaganda since this reveal.

I do hereby appoint our recently returned, retired Regent The Seeker of Power to the rank of Deputy Legatus in the Diplomatic Corps.

I do hereby appoint Comrade CaveDweller to Jar's former position as Governor of Province Ardere.

Congratulate them when you see them.

No further comment on appointments, but I note that you've decidedly not stripped Svez from his role as Quaestor.

If you have any questions don't hesitate to contact myself or one of our other government officials.

East Durthang
(Lord of Darkness)
Emperor of the New Pacific Order

Why, so you can lie to them more?

Got to love that statement, well they sent spies to us so it is okay for us to spy. This is different we are not bound by any treaty not to. Instead of trying to make amends with those who are at war with the NPO, you publish this bland statement. This is just more of the same, the NPO still continues to make no attempt to make right what was wronged. They have and will continue to deny any wrong doing.

I'm only saying this out of a broken heart. (Also, be aware this is Darkesia speaking, not TWP. They are seeing this for the first time as well)

The Pacific has held my heart for a long time and it still does. However, I am finished with this mutated, cancerous NPO.

For years I have watched as well intentioned Emperor Pierconium began to export the culture and comraderie of the NPO and NationStates out to other game universes. It was fun at a time when NS II (cursed be it's name) was failing and nations craved a place to rally and compete against other teams. But it didn't stop there. Across game platforms, the NPO has been mutated and corrupted into an unrecognizable entity that is hostile and disrespectful to all of NationStates and the NSverse. They draw their strength of numbers from conscripted players of other game platforms. Those players create placeholder nations which do not participate in the NationStates game universe. They do not understand the community or the politics or the game itself. Yet, here we treat them as if they were native to NationStates and are shocked when they behave as the aliens they are.

And now, they have appointed an emperor from outside the NSverse. I consider this the ultimate insult to the Pacific.

So, while nations scramble to shout about Francoism (which died years ago) and chant slogans to end the NPO, I refuse. I refuse, because the NPO no longer exists in NationStates. This thing which calls itself the NPO is a corruption from outside the NSverse.

I call for the rescue of our glorius original feeder region. I call for the separation of The Pacific from the NPO. Make The Pacific part of NationStates again, rather than a colony of those other game platforms!

Please.

Darkesia wrote:<snip>

Thank you for talking some sense on a day when far too many people are starting to fall back into the old habit of "look, they're making changes, maybe we should give them a chance." No more chances for this cancer -- and it is a cancer, you're right. The Pacific, and gameplay overall, has to be liberated.

Appointments

I do hereby appoint Comrades Jar Wattinree and Xoriet as Tribune and Legatus, [...] while Xoriet will oversee our foreign affairs.

Ehm... Just a question, but what foreign affairs are you exactly talking about? Last time I checked, basically every ally just left you or is considering a response. Not much foreign affairs left to oversee.

Armaros wrote:

Appointments

I do hereby appoint Comrades Jar Wattinree and Xoriet as Tribune and Legatus, [...] while Xoriet will oversee our foreign affairs.

Ehm... Just a question, but what foreign affairs are you exactly talking about? Last time I checked, basically every ally just left you or is considering a response. Not much foreign affairs left to oversee.

"Minister Of Propaganda, Gaslighting, Denial, And Blustering Through Objections Until People Get Tired Of Them" doesn't have the same ring.

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:

Armaros wrote:
Ehm... Just a question, but what foreign affairs are you exactly talking about? Last time I checked, basically every ally just left you or is considering a response. Not much foreign affairs left to oversee.

"Minister Of Propaganda, Gaslighting, Denial, And Blustering Through Objections Until People Get Tired Of Them" doesn't have the same ring.

Yeah I doubt these new appointees will actually attempt fix this Dumpster fire. I thought of a few more things in response to this "statement". 1st: I like how they made there official statement through a TG witch was then leaked. 2nd thing why does the NPO always point at everyone else but them selves. Well they murdered someone so it is okay for us to do the same. 3rd thing we generally only raid inactive or dead regions, the NPO is willing to raid active regions. They forced the Warzone Confederation to have a civil war over the closure of an embassy that the NPO wanted closed but the delegate did not. This civil war was forced as we did not wish for the NPO to raid us.

It is direct, filled with change, open within circumstances, and engaging, leading to some to nickname me "The People's Emperor."

Just saving this for later to follow-up on in five months.

I love the smell of impotent rage in the morning.

I would have thought that as the self proclaimed direct "People's Emperor", he would have addressed the people of gameplay and their concerns directly.

Myrth wrote:I love the smell of impotent rage in the morning.

But it's not rage, it's just that people are over the NPO's misdeeds. It one thing to make a mistake, it's an other to deny it and thus not apologize nor recognize it. I was hopeful that this new Emperor would try to right the wrongs of his predecessor. I sent a TG on the 1st day of his reign offering the Extalian Withdrawal, if 2 conditions were meet, a; topids is un-banned from St Abbaddon, and Pergamon is banned from the Pacific. He outright refused this offer nor was willing to negotiate. Instead of attempting to fix the public image of the order he said I have to work on fixing my government, he can not do to things at once?

Darkesia wrote:I'm only saying this out of a broken heart. (Also, be aware this is Darkesia speaking, not TWP. They are seeing this for the first time as well)

The Pacific has held my heart for a long time and it still does. However, I am finished with this mutated, cancerous NPO.

For years I have watched as well intentioned Emperor Pierconium began to export the culture and comraderie of the NPO and NationStates out to other game universes. It was fun at a time when NS II (cursed be it's name) was failing and nations craved a place to rally and compete against other teams. But it didn't stop there. Across game platforms, the NPO has been mutated and corrupted into an unrecognizable entity that is hostile and disrespectful to all of NationStates and the NSverse. They draw their strength of numbers from conscripted players of other game platforms. Those players create placeholder nations which do not participate in the NationStates game universe. They do not understand the community or the politics or the game itself. Yet, here we treat them as if they were native to NationStates and are shocked when they behave as the aliens they are.

And now, they have appointed an emperor from outside the NSverse. I consider this the ultimate insult to the Pacific.

So, while nations scramble to shout about Francoism (which died years ago) and chant slogans to end the NPO, I refuse. I refuse, because the NPO no longer exists in NationStates. This thing which calls itself the NPO is a corruption from outside the NSverse.

I call for the rescue of our glorius original feeder region. I call for the separation of The Pacific from the NPO. Make The Pacific part of NationStates again, rather than a colony of those other game platforms!

Please.

That made a lot of sense. I never thought of it that way.
Well said!

Solorni wrote:I would have thought that as the self proclaimed direct "People's Emperor", he would have addressed the people of gameplay and their concerns directly.

People of the Pacific. Unless you want him as your Emperor as well. We can arrange this if you'd like.

Myrth wrote:

Solorni wrote:I would have thought that as the self proclaimed direct "People's Emperor", he would have addressed the people of gameplay and their concerns directly.

People of the Pacific. Unless you want him as your Emperor as well. We can arrange this if you'd like.

Actually, a much more worthwhile investment would be to read this: Golden Rules of PR Crisis Management. You can thank me later

Solorni wrote:

Myrth wrote:
People of the Pacific. Unless you want him as your Emperor as well. We can arrange this if you'd like.

Actually, a much more worthwhile investment would be to read this: Golden Rules of PR Crisis Management. You can thank me later

Me agreeing with something coming out of Balder? This is unprecedented! Glad to see Solorni (non-budget Rach?) over in the GP forum, though I'm pretty inactive here from the time to time so that's probably why I miss it.

Oooh good statement from Darkesia, didn't see this before.

Solorni wrote:I would have thought that as the self proclaimed direct "People's Emperor", he would have addressed the people of gameplay and their concerns directly.

I think he first wants to restore order at home before he comes with the usual half assed apologies.

Shitposting aside, it is actually understandable he doesn't immediatley rush to gameplay; hes not even delegate yet. So this isn't really an arguement. As much as I hold against the NPO, this isn't a real issue IMO.

Armaros wrote:

Solorni wrote:I would have thought that as the self proclaimed direct "People's Emperor", he would have addressed the people of gameplay and their concerns directly.

I think he first wants to restore order at home before he comes with the usual half assed apologies.

Shitposting aside, it is actually understandable he doesn't immediatley rush to gameplay; hes not even delegate yet. So this isn't really an arguement. As much as I hold against the NPO, this isn't a real issue IMO.

That's what I got from his TG he sent me when I offered a treaty. It is his point of view.

Myrth wrote:

Solorni wrote:I would have thought that as the self proclaimed direct "People's Emperor", he would have addressed the people of gameplay and their concerns directly.

People of the Pacific. Unless you want him as your Emperor as well. We can arrange this if you'd like.

Didn't you just hear your new Emperor, Myrth? "No coups or takeovers."
You'd best listen, or you'll end up like the rest of the wannabe Imperialists.

RiderSyl wrote:

Myrth wrote:
People of the Pacific. Unless you want him as your Emperor as well. We can arrange this if you'd like.

Didn't you just hear your new Emperor, Myrth? "No coups or takeovers."
You'd best listen, or you'll end up like the rest of the wannabe Imperialists.

Being an imp sounds rather fun though