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Devi
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Postby Devi » Sat Dec 08, 2018 4:40 am

Kurnugia wrote:
Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:
I like how the goalpost are beginning to move from “we’ll destroy every military action TBH touched, and watch you lose and lose and lose... <said like two dozen times>” down to “what, you haven’t forcibly taken over a feeder yet in two and a half weeks? You’ve lost the war and we can go embrace inactivity” after you haven’t even tried to face us on the field once xD

Now, I hope TBH is going to take over TP. That goalpost shift will be fascinating.

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Postby Roundball » Sat Dec 08, 2018 6:29 am

Raionitu wrote:
Seriously though, saying we control because we leak the logs to incite people? They wouldn’t go to war if the logs hadn’t existed in the first place.


You are right Raionitu thank you for pointing this out, the Black Hawks aren't directly controlling Osiris.

Per your words, Osiris is being manipulated by the Black Hawks.

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:
I like how the goalpost are beginning to move from “we’ll destroy every military action TBH touched, and watch you lose and lose and lose... <said like two dozen times>” down to “what, you haven’t forcibly taken over a feeder yet in two and a half weeks? You’ve lost the war and we can go embrace inactivity” after you haven’t even tried to face us on the field once xD


So it looks like, the endgame is that once the NPO: makes assurances that this doesn't happen, Cancels their ridiculous statement of war against the Black Hawks, And apologizes, while acknowledging your brilliance etc etc. This war will end.
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Postby Frattastan IV » Sat Dec 08, 2018 6:37 am

Roundball wrote:
Raionitu wrote:
Seriously though, saying we control because we leak the logs to incite people? They wouldn’t go to war if the logs hadn’t existed in the first place.


You are right Raionitu thank you for pointing this out, the Black Hawks aren't directly controlling Osiris.

Per your words, Osiris is being manipulated by the Black Hawks.


Manipulation implies an underhanded and misleading influence, though.
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Draganisia wrote:Also it seems the next war could be NPO fighting directly against Pacifica.

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Devi
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Postby Devi » Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:46 am

Frattastan IV wrote:
Roundball wrote:
You are right Raionitu thank you for pointing this out, the Black Hawks aren't directly controlling Osiris.

Per your words, Osiris is being manipulated by the Black Hawks.


Manipulation implies an underhanded and misleading influence, though.

Silly Fratt, you should know by now.
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The Gilded Star
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Postby The Gilded Star » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:12 am

Draganisia wrote:Right now I'm more amused that you all still think this is a war when the real truth is that there is nothing you can do to ever take down the NPO.

When will you learn that your "condemnation" changes nothing and even if you did it again and again it still changes nothing and never will.

This is over. You may have won the SC vote for the condemnation but you have lost the war and nothing will change that.

The Dragons of the Pacific are going back to sleep.

Don't bother waking us until you want to pose a real threat.


Please, by all means. If the Dragons of the Pacific went into hibernation and took all their self-gloating with them, I think many would consider that a sufficient victory in and of itself.
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Postby Lord Dominator » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:45 am

Sounds like a decent victory to me, at least for now :)
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Greater vakolicci haven
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:23 am

Lord Dominator wrote:Sounds like a decent victory to me, at least for now :)

Yeah. Forcing the NPO into the fetal position to lick its wounds makes it not a threat to anybody else. That's a victory.

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Postby Indo-Malaysia » Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:59 pm

Whether the war ends or not, it makes a good read :)
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Consular
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Postby Consular » Sat Dec 08, 2018 6:11 pm

Honestly the NPO basically lost Pergamon's ridiculous war the moment he and the Emperor resigned.

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Postby Klaus Devestatorie » Sat Dec 08, 2018 7:04 pm

Why the hell are people saying the war is over? It hasn't even started. There's been one battle, and the fallout from the posturing over that one battle. If The Pacific and the core elements of the opposing coalition make a basic effort to actually "fight" with the tools available to them in this game (R/D operations, intelligence work, diplomatic initiatives and proxy political drama in fringe actor regions), but fail to actually make any progress to completely destroy each other's communities, this could easily go for half a decade.
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Postby Frattastan IV » Sat Dec 08, 2018 7:09 pm

Klaus Devestatorie wrote:this could easily go for half a decade.


I doubt that.
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Draganisia wrote:Also it seems the next war could be NPO fighting directly against Pacifica.

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Postby Klaus Devestatorie » Sat Dec 08, 2018 7:22 pm

Frattastan IV wrote:
Klaus Devestatorie wrote:this could easily go for half a decade.


I doubt that.

Then what ends it? If there isn't already a spy in The Pacific's senate right now, I don't rate the chances of getting one in there and successfully arranging a coup. I equally don't rate the chances of The Pacific somehow completely any of the major forces on the other end of the coalition, especially TBH or Europeia. It would take some truly quality diplomatic work to arrange a peace deal, and I don't see any likelihood of the two sides coming together to arrange normalized relations. There are far too many parties that feel wronged for the matter to fade away naturally due to boredom. What ends it?
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Postby Bowzin » Sat Dec 08, 2018 7:30 pm

Klaus Devestatorie wrote:
Frattastan IV wrote:
I doubt that.

Then what ends it? If there isn't already a spy in The Pacific's senate right now, I don't rate the chances of getting one in there and successfully arranging a coup. I equally don't rate the chances of The Pacific somehow completely any of the major forces on the other end of the coalition, especially TBH or Europeia. It would take some truly quality diplomatic work to arrange a peace deal, and I don't see any likelihood of the two sides coming together to arrange normalized relations. There are far too many parties that feel wronged for the matter to fade away naturally due to boredom. What ends it?

some diplomatic work has already been done, not sure if you've noticed but perg left the NPO and Ale is passing on emperor to someone else
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Postby Klaus Devestatorie » Sat Dec 08, 2018 7:35 pm

Bowzin wrote:
Klaus Devestatorie wrote:Then what ends it? If there isn't already a spy in The Pacific's senate right now, I don't rate the chances of getting one in there and successfully arranging a coup. I equally don't rate the chances of The Pacific somehow completely any of the major forces on the other end of the coalition, especially TBH or Europeia. It would take some truly quality diplomatic work to arrange a peace deal, and I don't see any likelihood of the two sides coming together to arrange normalized relations. There are far too many parties that feel wronged for the matter to fade away naturally due to boredom. What ends it?

some diplomatic work has already been done, not sure if you've noticed but perg left the NPO and Ale is passing on emperor to someone else

Sure, those things happened. The reply was a boatload of rhetoric about how those things change nothing and how Perg will just be back under a different name. I'll believe that a diplomatic resolution is coming when I see it.
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Postby Bowzin » Sat Dec 08, 2018 7:43 pm

Klaus Devestatorie wrote:
Bowzin wrote:some diplomatic work has already been done, not sure if you've noticed but perg left the NPO and Ale is passing on emperor to someone else

Sure, those things happened. The reply was a boatload of rhetoric about how those things change nothing and how Perg will just be back under a different name. I'll believe that a diplomatic resolution is coming when I see it.

just because there is no end in sight right now doesn't mean there won't be for 5 years though
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Postby Blight-Bane » Sat Dec 08, 2018 11:32 pm

Klaus Devestatorie wrote:Then what ends it? If there isn't already a spy in The Pacific's senate right now, I don't rate the chances of getting one in there and successfully arranging a coup. I equally don't rate the chances of The Pacific somehow completely any of the major forces on the other end of the coalition, especially TBH or Europeia. It would take some truly quality diplomatic work to arrange a peace deal, and I don't see any likelihood of the two sides coming together to arrange normalized relations. There are far too many parties that feel wronged for the matter to fade away naturally due to boredom. What ends it?

The bandwagon losing passengers I'd imagine. Cormac and Souls could probably filibuster on the coalitions behalf for quite some time, but without concrete victories it's just rhetoric. A diplomatic solution seems unlikely since TP has already played the 'turning over a new leaf' card .

Bowzin wrote:just because there is no end in sight right now doesn't mean there won't be for 5 years though

Heh. Good one.

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Postby Draganisia » Sat Dec 08, 2018 11:38 pm

Bowzin wrote:
Klaus Devestatorie wrote:Then what ends it? If there isn't already a spy in The Pacific's senate right now, I don't rate the chances of getting one in there and successfully arranging a coup. I equally don't rate the chances of The Pacific somehow completely any of the major forces on the other end of the coalition, especially TBH or Europeia. It would take some truly quality diplomatic work to arrange a peace deal, and I don't see any likelihood of the two sides coming together to arrange normalized relations. There are far too many parties that feel wronged for the matter to fade away naturally due to boredom. What ends it?

some diplomatic work has already been done, not sure if you've noticed but perg left the NPO and Ale is passing on emperor to someone else

And in the "lists of demands" that I have seen these were the biggest things on them.

If what is already being done doesn't end the war than it would only prove that those demand lists are loads of crap.

However if those demand lists are real than it seems that this will be over soon.

My problem is this "war" is more annoying than anything else with those against the Pacific basically being crybabies about stuff that happened in the past when they should be instead focusing on the future of their own regions. Not saying we don't have the will to fight those crybabies, it's more like there is simply no reasons to actually fight when it can be ended peacefully for both sides without anyone else's feelings getting hurt.

Fighting dirty is what started all of this and continuing to fight dirty would only make it worse for everyone so I believe it is better to find peaceful solutions if you can and if there are none... well it wouldn't really matter at that point if we fought dirty or not.

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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:18 am

Draganisia wrote:And in the "lists of demands" that I have seen these were the biggest things on them.


Many of the requests made to even consider diplomacy have not been met. Namely,folks resigning,and inciting a frenzy while doing so without reproach, is not the same thing as dismissing and banning them. Even where there's been "voluntary removal," it's not been complete.

Draganisia wrote:If what is already being done doesn't end the war than it would only prove that those demand lists are loads of crap.

However if those demand lists are real than it seems that this will be over soon.


Pick your favorite:
a) Terms we given as to the bare minimum that The Pacific must do to begin to regain any trust, not to end everything all happy and friends again
b) Nothing can be as much of a load of crap as every apology and diplomatic interaction The Pacific has had going back years.

Draganisia wrote:My problem is this "war" is more annoying than anything else with those against the Pacific basically being crybabies about stuff that happened in the past when they should be instead focusing on the future of their own regions. Not saying we don't have the will to fight those crybabies, it's more like there is simply no reasons to actually fight when it can be ended peacefully for both sides without anyone else's feelings getting hurt.


This is why your regional leadership is trying to gag you and your peers. You do not begin to understand the scale or context of these events, and you talk out of your ass like you do. What people are "being crybabies" about is The Pacific repeatedly and maliciously violating practically every agreement they'd made, making statements in bad faith, and having systematic dishonesty in all of their diplomatic interactions, even with allies...*especially* with allies. The future of many of our own regions is tied to stopping this behavior. Osiris very nearly was couped by agents of The Pacific. They wouldn't have had a future. Laz's future has been repeatedly thrown into chaos. Reigning in The Pacific is central to the future of our regions. You do, apparently, lack the will, or perhaps the means, because you've yet to show up to the battlefield since your declaration. Finally, if The Pacific wanted to end this "without anyone's feelings getting hurt," well they only aggressively destroyed three different diplomatic understandings with The Black Hawks, to name one example. It's a little late for you to call for that, eh?

Draganisia wrote:Fighting dirty is what started all of this and continuing to fight dirty would only make it worse for everyone so I believe it is better to find peaceful solutions if you can and if there are none... well it wouldn't really matter at that point if we fought dirty or not.


The Pacific has made "fighting dirty" a regional mascot. It's certainly not going to make things any worse for the rest of us now.
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Hobbesistan wrote:Don't think I understand the question.
The color or what?..

Jesus, Hobbes, it's 2015. You can't just call someone "the color".

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Postby Draganisia » Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:24 am

Ignore this post
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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:34 am

You misstate so many basic facts of the incidents at hand that your nonsense is not even worth an in-detail reply, lol.

Come back when you understand that The NPO are not moralistic defenders, that "the battlefield" is not "warzone regions," that the NPO had a NAP with TBH and not an alliance, and that the NPO is not out to help anyone besides itself, kid.
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Hobbesistan wrote:Don't think I understand the question.
The color or what?..

Jesus, Hobbes, it's 2015. You can't just call someone "the color".

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Postby Draganisia » Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:37 am

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:You misstate so many basic facts of the incidents at hand that your nonsense is not even worth an in-detail reply, lol.

Come back when you understand that The NPO are not moralistic defenders, that "the battlefield" is not "warzone regions," that the NPO had a NAP with TBH and not an alliance, and that the NPO is not out to help anyone besides itself, kid.

OOC: Sorry was not reading the other thread where you were talking to the Emperor.

Just ignore the above post

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Postby Armaros » Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:38 am

Draganisia wrote:
Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:Many of the requests made to even consider diplomacy have not been met. Namely,folks resigning,and inciting a frenzy while doing so without reproach, is not the same thing as dismissing and banning them. Even where there's been "voluntary removal," it's not been complete.


Either way the result is the same. Those responsible are being removed and if you don't like the way they are being removed than too bad.


Still talking out of your ass. This has happebed before and they were let back in without hesitation a few months later.
Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:Pick your favorite:
a) Terms we given as to the bare minimum that The Pacific must do to begin to regain any trust, not to end everything all happy and friends again
b) Nothing can be as much of a load of crap as every apology and diplomatic interaction The Pacific has had going back years.


Your whole response is a load of crap. Our apologies mean a lot more than you will ever know and I know for a fact that our diplomatic interactions are a lot better than anything you and the Black Hawks have ever done.

Except your diplomacy towards the Black Hawks, after repeated agressive attacks. Why do you think this war happened in the first place?

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:This is why your regional leadership is trying to gag you and your peers. You do not begin to understand the scale or context of these events, and you talk out of your ass like you do.


Apparently I understand a lot more than you or any other black hawk ever will since all you seem to do is resort to petty insults like this.

Think for yourself, at this point your repeatig every piece of shit the NPO tells you. Get your own information and puzzle out the truth.

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:What people are "being crybabies" about is The Pacific repeatedly and maliciously violating practically every agreement they'd made, making statements in bad faith, and having systematic dishonesty in all of their diplomatic interactions, even with allies...*especially* with allies.


Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:The future of many of our own regions is tied to stopping this behavior.


Considering you are with the Black Hawks that is the biggest load of bullshit I have ever seen on this forum. All you care about is raiding and destroying other regions. You seriously expect me to believe that the black hawks grew a conscience and will stop raiding other regions? Because that is the only thing that would prove anything you say being true.

Heh, where have I seen invading and attempting to destroy regions? Oh yeah, the NPO. Also, several of the invaded regions weren't raider aligned in any way.

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote: Osiris very nearly was couped by agents of The Pacific. They wouldn't have had a future.


Pure speculation on what might have happened and not in any way true. However I do know that there are no futures for regions that believe anything the Black Hawks say.

Pure speculation backed up by evidence and your own officers saying it. Again, think for yourself instead of buying every line the NPO sells you.

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:Reigning in The Pacific is central to the future of our regions.


Keep dreaming because I can guarantee that will never happen. And what you say proves that the Black Hawks only care about taking over the Pacific themselves and nothing about what other regions think.

Lolwut.

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:You do, apparently, lack the will, or perhaps the means, because you've yet to show up to the battlefield since your declaration.


We could honestly care less about the NS Warzone Regions. They change hands so many times that it honestly doesn't change anything in the long run.

Thats... not at all what Souls meant.

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:Finally, if The Pacific wanted to end this "without anyone's feelings getting hurt," well they only aggressively destroyed three different diplomatic understandings with The Black Hawks, to name one example. It's a little late for you to call for that, eh?


And here is where your real motives are revealed. You are simply mad that the NPO decided to cut ties with the black hawk raiders who try to destroy other regions and their governments. Personally I have always hated raider scum like you black hawks so breaking ties with you is probably the best thing the NPO has ever done so far.

Sigh... do you even *know* what is going on? Or what happened?

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:The Pacific has made "fighting dirty" a regional mascot. It's certainly not going to make things any worse for the rest of us now.


Coming from a region that uses the Invader and Raider tags your words are as hollow as they come.

The NPO will continue to stand tall against raiders like you and while we might not deal with the Warzone Regions we will continue to help others who call for our aid against you just as we did in St abbaddon.

We can have peace with other regions.

For the Black Hawks however "There will be no peace!"

This conversations is over.

Lol, you're the one who actively infiltrated and attempted to coup raiders. At the very least find a narrative which somewhat resembles the truth.
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Postby Draganisia » Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:42 am

OOC: I said to ignore that post but forgot people here are incapable of listening to others.

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Postby Bowzin » Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:51 am

Draganisia wrote:OOC: I said to ignore that post but forgot people here are incapable of listening to others.

you still put your opinions out there bud, cant go back
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Postby Armaros » Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:53 am

Draganisia wrote:OOC: I said to ignore that post but forgot people here are incapable of listening to others.

:eyebrow:

If you don't want people responding to it, don't post it.

Also, am I the only one who finds it ironic you say others are incapable of listening?
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