Imperial Statement from the New Pacific Order

[King Bradley]

Ale was not a part of Pergamon/Feux asking me to spy on TBH/Souls, as far as I’m aware.

DYP, who are you again? XD

-94 Block

[Yokiria]

If you genuinely want to look at the evidence go ask Saint Block for it.

Personally I wouldn't send anyone to talk to block but if you feel like introducing more players to him is a good move then that's your decision

I concur with DYP here. Please do not encourage players to contact Block/Bradley.

[King Bradley]

Awwww, Rydersyl that’s not very nice. I’m sure the former emperor can make his own decisions.

[Yokiria]

Awwww, Rydersyl that’s not very nice. I’m sure the former emperor can make his own decisions.

My statement was more in general.

[King Bradley]

If anything, I’d be more inclined to warn people to avoid a character like yourself, and have them flock to a happy go lucky guy like me.

[Yokiria]

If anything, I’d be more inclined to warn people to avoid a character like yourself, and have them flock to a happy go lucky guy like me.

Yes, I'm clearly very dangerous.

[King Bradley]

From my point of view, you’re certainly not a good guy.

[Xoriet]

If anything, I’d be more inclined to warn people to avoid a character like yourself, and have them flock to a happy go lucky guy like me.

Don't play innocent. It wouldn't have been such a crime to be involved with you if you hadn't in the past proved yourself a threat to our communities. You only have yourself to blame for how you are viewed. If anyone thinks you are rehabilitated or reformed for "transparency", I pity them. I don't believe for a second that you have changed permanently. Maybe for now you might be friendly and "happy-go-lucky". Of course, you were that way in DEN, but you didn't stay that way. Your regularly scheduled, inevitable meltdown will happen, and then anyone who trusted you enough to let them into your community will regret it.

[King Bradley]

I was going through RL and In Game trauma during that time in my life, which I have recovered from. But I’m glad to come back the game, seeing you doing well and surrounded by friends.

[Pierconium]

And the new Emperor of the NPO issued an apology and addressed the concerns of Osiris. Everything else is simple hypocrisy. Calls of ‘NPO delende est’, etc. do nothing but push the NPO towards the hardliners.

The new Emperor of the NPO issued the apology while stating, and I quote; "While we do not expect you to accept this right now, let it be known that this is a genuine apology and a promise that this will not be an example of the New Pacific Order in the future."

The Emperor himself knows that it is irrational to expect the apology to be accepted right now. It is irrational to expect the storm to be calmed so soon. We accepted apologies and allowed our concerns to be addressed the last time the NPO stepped out of line, and our trust was betrayed again, this time more severely. We are naturally going to be even more distrusting, even more angry, and seek more punishment.

Your complaints of your government being pushed towards hardliners, being restricted from change, all because of the outcry against your government's actions... We do not feel sympathetic. We didn't ask to be in this mess of yours.

I believe you have misunderstood my statements that our conciliatory actions should be met with rational response as equivalent to thinking the apology should end discussion altogether. I have not said nor advocated any such thing. I just believe the immediate overreaction from the wider and largely unimpacted community to be a bit much.

[Kurnugia]

And the new Emperor of the NPO issued an apology and addressed the concerns of Osiris. Everything else is simple hypocrisy. Calls of ‘NPO delende est’, etc. do nothing but push the NPO towards the hardliners.

Right... but isn't the NPO supposed to be above the mob rule? Given that you are an autocracy? I would expect that such a system would be easier to stirr towards realpolitik as opposed to populism.

Either way... I think the NPO needs to make it seem that they have moved on for good. Not an easy task, given that they had their second chance. "Fool me once..."

[Pierconium]

And the new Emperor of the NPO issued an apology and addressed the concerns of Osiris. Everything else is simple hypocrisy. Calls of ‘NPO delende est’, etc. do nothing but push the NPO towards the hardliners.

Right... but isn't the NPO supposed to be above the mob rule? Given that you are an autocracy? I would expect that such a system would be easier to stirr towards realpolitik as opposed to populism.

Either way... I think the NPO needs to make it seem that they have moved on for good. Not an easy task, given that they had their second chance. "Fool me once..."

The hardliners are also very meritorious...

[King Bradley]

Is this their first time stumbling so deeply with OOC issues?

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

If you genuinely want to look at the evidence go ask Saint Block for it.

No, that is not what you are claiming. I know who Block 94 is and what he has done in the past. I also know that Pergamon may have known what he was doing. You are stating that Aleisyr took an active part in that and I am stating that is untrue. If you have evidence to the contrary, please provide it. Otherwise, I will take your continued waffling and sidestepping as evidence enough.

Ale knew Block was being hidden/covered for, as did the whole senate, and none took any issue with it:

Senate knew: https://i.imgur.com/w96lr0r.png
Ale enforced his cover: https://i.imgur.com/2DK7Cyr.png

If you need me to re-cite proof that Perg absolutely did know who Block was and what his history was, I can pull that back out as well.

As I've said to ED elsewhere - The Pacific's reconciliatory messages remain unfortunately discredited as long as their internal messaging + messaging from authority figures in public is utterly inconsistent with the apologetic tone.

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For example, just a day or two ago, your Tribune Jar Wattinree forwarded messaging to your entire region containing quotes from Honorary Senator Myrth that are absolutely and openly hostile towards the idea of reconciliation. We will not accept outward acceptance of responsibility until you're telling your cult the same thing you're telling us.

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

Ah, here we will have to part paths. You equating the NPO with charlatans and rogue elements isn't civil discourse. The NPO has been the legitimate government of the Pacific for most of NS's existence. It isn't the same thing at all. That isn't hubris, it is fact.

You seem to have missed my point. The Rahls and the KRO have never once shared the same level of legitimacy as the NPO.

As a former Pharaoh of the KRO can I raise an eyebrow here?

[Pierconium]

No, that is not what you are claiming. I know who Block 94 is and what he has done in the past. I also know that Pergamon may have known what he was doing. You are stating that Aleisyr took an active part in that and I am stating that is untrue. If you have evidence to the contrary, please provide it. Otherwise, I will take your continued waffling and sidestepping as evidence enough.

Ale knew Block was being hidden/covered for, as did the whole senate, and none took any issue with it:

Senate knew: https://i.imgur.com/w96lr0r.png
Ale enforced his cover: https://i.imgur.com/2DK7Cyr.png

If you need me to re-cite proof that Perg absolutely did know who Block was and what his history was, I can pull that back out as well.

As I've said to ED elsewhere - The Pacific's reconciliatory messages remain unfortunately discredited as long as their internal messaging + messaging from authority figures in public is utterly inconsistent with the apologetic tone.

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For example, just a day or two ago, your Tribune Jar Wattinree forwarded messaging to your entire region containing quotes from Honorary Senator Myrth that are absolutely and openly hostile towards the idea of reconciliation. We will not accept outward acceptance of responsibility until you're telling your cult the same thing you're telling us.

All those particular screenshots show is a conversation between Block and Feux. I can have a conversation with Cormac claiming that Aleisyr has made him Regent of the NPO but that doesn't make it true.

I'm not saying your sources are wrong, but we both know that is bush-league evidence for something like this. Where is actual evidence that the Emperor knew what was happening?

As to the rest, as I have stated elsewhere, if the wider community pushes the Pacific into a siege mentality (justified or not) then the more extreme elements will have an outlet. Myrth is a hardline Old School NPOer, there is absolutely no denying that. His position will carry more weight when the world around us is shouting that the NPO must be destroyed.

[Tim-Opolis]

Personally I wouldn't send anyone to talk to block but if you feel like introducing more players to him is a good move then that's your decision

I concur with DYP here. Please do not encourage players to contact Block/Bradley.

Agreed. 94 Block/King Bradley is not somebody people should actively contacting. We don't need someone like him garnering influence with people unaware of why he is universally blacklisted, since he likes to spin his own deluded narrative on why that is.

[The Gilded Star]

Now, I'm a nobody, so take what I say with a grain of salt, if even that much, but it seems to me one of the under-spoken issues with finding common ground with the NPO currently is that the Order seems to be suffering a severe case of the left hand not knowing what the right is doing.

As a bystander I've seen several cases where it seems the NPO often has two different and conflicting stories going on at once. While I don't have the time or interest to try to dreg up every example, I've seen at least two touched upon in recent discussions.

Firstly, with the operations of subversion, infiltration, utilization of undesirables, and so on, it seems the given story is that Aleisyr was unaware of these things, or if he was aware of them, he at least didn't give explicit authorization of them. This raises the question of whether Perg and others were operating behind the back of Aleisyr, or were failing to keep him appropriately apprised of fairly important things going on. Either way, that implies disorganization and uncoordination within the rank and file of the NPO, which doesn't instill confidence. Granted, this was with the old leadership, and hopefully these issues went away with them. However, that leads into the second point:

More recently, while East Durthang and Xoriet seem to have been making sincere efforts towards reform and reconciliation between the NPO and the community, you have individuals like Jar Wattinree and Myrth who have (or at least, until recently, had) essentially been saber-rattling and egging on antagonism between the NPO and the community. Once again this sends mixed messages about what exactly to expect from the NPO, which is going to cause people to think twice about letting their guard down and giving the NPO another chance.

I think most people would prefer a friendly NPO over an antagonistic NPO, but I also think the current stalemate will continue at least in part until the NPO can get its people organized under a single message, as that would not only show consistency, but also show the NPO's ability to keep dissent within its own leadership under control.

[Cormactopia Prime]

As to the rest, as I have stated elsewhere, if the wider community pushes the Pacific into a siege mentality (justified or not) then the more extreme elements will have an outlet. Myrth is a hardline Old School NPOer, there is absolutely no denying that. His position will carry more weight when the world around us is shouting that the NPO must be destroyed.

This argument is essentially extortion. "Forgive us and give us a second chance now, or you'll be sorry."

The perspectives of people like Pergamon, Feux, and Myrth carried plenty of weight when the world wasn't hostile to the NPO. Even as regions were giving the NPO another chance after the last time the NPO committed flagrant acts of aggression against another GCR, prominent members of the NPO were involved in infiltration and subversion. In recent months, several regions had been moving closer to the NPO's perspective, but that didn't stop the NPO from acting against those regions anyway. The idea that if we all play nice and forgive the NPO yet again now, that won't happen again, is absurd. If the NPO allows people like these to shape its future course because regions aren't willing to just forgive and forget again this time, that is entirely on the NPO. But we can't have any confidence these people wouldn't shape the NPO's future course even if we did forgive and forget. That's what happened last time.

Ultimately, we won't have to worry about the NPO's future course if we smash the NPO. Hence the war. NPO delenda est.

[Doing it Rightland]

Ultimately, we won't have to worry about the NPO's future course if we smash the NPO. Hence the war. NPO delenda est.

Yeah, honest question about this part. If the NPO is well established in the Pacific (based on endorsements it doesn't seem they're going anywhere) and spans multiple sites, how exactly does one smash the NPO? It seems like even if you temporarily removed them from power in the Pacific, that doesn't do anything to stop them in any other strongholds, nor prevent them from coming back to the Pacific or another region.

[Saint Block]

I concur with DYP here. Please do not encourage players to contact Block/Bradley.

Agreed. 94 Block/King Bradley is not somebody people should actively contacting. We don't need someone like him garnering influence with people unaware of why he is universally blacklisted, since he likes to spin his own deluded narrative on why that is.

Read ~ I’m blacklisted because I’m a threat to defender’s poltiical imterests.

[Syberis]

Agreed. 94 Block/King Bradley is not somebody people should actively contacting. We don't need someone like him garnering influence with people unaware of why he is universally blacklisted, since he likes to spin his own deluded narrative on why that is.

Read ~ I’m blacklisted because I’m a threat to defender’s poltiical imterests.

Well ain't that a crock of shit. The whole game knows darn well why you're blacklisted, enough that I'm sure anyone who wished to know could communicate with pretty much any major region and get the full story.

[Saint Block]

Read ~ I’m blacklisted because I’m a threat to defender’s poltiical imterests.

Well ain't that a crock of shit. The whole game knows darn well why you're blacklisted, enough that I'm sure anyone who wished to know could communicate with pretty much any major region and get the full story.

Yes, and those major players are either defenders or their associates, be it IC or OOC

[Pierconium]

Ultimately, we won't have to worry about the NPO's future course if we smash the NPO. Hence the war. NPO delenda est.

Yeah, honest question about this part. If the NPO is well established in the Pacific (based on endorsements it doesn't seem they're going anywhere) and spans multiple sites, how exactly does one smash the NPO? It seems like even if you temporarily removed them from power in the Pacific, that doesn't do anything to stop them in any other strongholds, nor prevent them from coming back to the Pacific or another region.

You can't. Cormac Quixote can bash against the windmill as much as he wishes.

Also, it isn't extortionist at all, it is simple cause and effect, and has been proven true in this realm and others throughout history. The subjugation of a people to constant outside threat allows the more extreme internal elements the opportunity to spread fear.

[Syberis]

Well ain't that a crock of shit. The whole game knows darn well why you're blacklisted, enough that I'm sure anyone who wished to know could communicate with pretty much any major region and get the full story.

Yes, and those major players are either defenders or their associates, be it IC or OOC

I'm a defender associate? TWP is a defender associate? Is this T H E D O C T R I N E all over again?