Altinsane wrote:snip
What I told you is the truth. That’s all I can say.
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by Milozoldyck » Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:45 pm
Altinsane wrote:snip
by Lord Dominator » Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:48 pm
by King Bradley » Sat Dec 01, 2018 12:00 am
by Milozoldyck » Sat Dec 01, 2018 12:05 am
Lord Dominator wrote:I am actually inclined to believe that it simply was forgotten and/or something LoD wasn't really involved in.
by New Rogernomics » Sat Dec 01, 2018 12:47 am
by Kyorgia » Sat Dec 01, 2018 6:05 am
Neo Domais wrote:We are for a Pacific that plays nice with there fellow regions!
by Myrth » Sat Dec 01, 2018 6:16 am
New Rogernomics wrote:-snip-.
by Your Imaginary Friend » Sat Dec 01, 2018 8:59 am
by Devi » Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:10 am
Myrth wrote:New Rogernomics wrote:-snip-.
It's a refreshing sign to read a reasoned, thought out post on the matter of recent events. It's good to see the tone moving away from the hyperbole and mindless rhetoric of certain other elements who've used the situation to stir things up owing to their personal axe to grind.
by Myrth » Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:30 am
Devi wrote:Myrth wrote:
It's a refreshing sign to read a reasoned, thought out post on the matter of recent events. It's good to see the tone moving away from the hyperbole and mindless rhetoric of certain other elements who've used the situation to stir things up owing to their personal axe to grind.
A very interesting sentiment to hold, given your own behaviour over the past few days. I do hope you take it to heart
by Cormactopia Prime » Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:31 am
by Imperium of Josh » Sat Dec 01, 2018 12:39 pm
by New Rogernomics » Sat Dec 01, 2018 5:03 pm
Pretty sure the last line of the condemnation isn't achievable, even if nations agree to the other points. Wouldn't be surprised if nations not invested in this, just vote for, for the lols.Imperium of Josh wrote:Cormactopia Prime wrote:So is the rhetoric of those opposed to the NPO. The NPO attacked our regions with infiltration and subversion operations.
Indeed. I can't say I've got the most extensive GP history, and I've certainly made no enemies pertinent to this issue. Personal axe-grinding doesn't factor at all, merely a political desire for NPO as a government to stop being a threat to places I care about. And if that requires that NPO ceases to exist as a governing system, as I believe is one of the only ways for my desires to be fulfilled, then so be it.
For a brighter future!
by Consular » Sat Dec 01, 2018 5:25 pm
by Lord Dominator » Sat Dec 01, 2018 5:30 pm
by Ever-Wandering Souls » Sat Dec 01, 2018 6:26 pm
The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258
Reploid Productions wrote:Raiders are endlessly creative
by Doing it Rightland » Sat Dec 01, 2018 8:32 pm
Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:I'd like, if anyone has a moment and some authority, to know why The Pacific does not consider The Black Hawks' "grievances" to be "legitimate" while to does consider those of other regions it treated equally or less poorly to be fair. Does The Pacific deny that it undertook repeated acts of one sided aggression against The Black Hawks? Does it claim that it's perfectly acceptable to treat us that way since we're a UCR, despite having no prior deigns on The Pacific's business?
Thanks.
by Cormactopia Prime » Sat Dec 01, 2018 8:54 pm
by Galiantus III » Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:08 pm
Doing it Rightland wrote:Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:I'd like, if anyone has a moment and some authority, to know why The Pacific does not consider The Black Hawks' "grievances" to be "legitimate" while to does consider those of other regions it treated equally or less poorly to be fair. Does The Pacific deny that it undertook repeated acts of one sided aggression against The Black Hawks? Does it claim that it's perfectly acceptable to treat us that way since we're a UCR, despite having no prior deigns on The Pacific's business?
Thanks.
I am by no means an authority, however, I would like to be of some assistance. Please note that this is not the official opinion of the NPO, just mine.
The Black Hawks has a (proud) history of disregard for other regions' sovereignty and the international community, as evidence by their raiding, and multiple condemnations. Does this mean the NPO and/or the nations involved should be let off without punishment? Absolutely not. While I don't fully agree with the exclusion of TBH grievances, it does appear that the NPO justifies its disdain for TBH on account of TBH's disdain for other regions, including some which reside within the NPO's "Sphere of Influence" (which evidently is still up for debate). Since TBH has shown little past care for the wills of opposing regions, there isn't a good reason why the Pacific ought to treat TBH in a positive manner.
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by Ever-Wandering Souls » Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:46 pm
Doing it Rightland wrote:Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:I'd like, if anyone has a moment and some authority, to know why The Pacific does not consider The Black Hawks' "grievances" to be "legitimate" while to does consider those of other regions it treated equally or less poorly to be fair. Does The Pacific deny that it undertook repeated acts of one sided aggression against The Black Hawks? Does it claim that it's perfectly acceptable to treat us that way since we're a UCR, despite having no prior deigns on The Pacific's business?
Thanks.
I am by no means an authority, however, I would like to be of some assistance. Please note that this is not the official opinion of the NPO, just mine.
The Black Hawks has a (proud) history of disregard for other regions' sovereignty and the international community, as evidence by their raiding, and multiple condemnations. Does this mean the NPO and/or the nations involved should be let off without punishment? Absolutely not. While I don't fully agree with the exclusion of TBH grievances, it does appear that the NPO justifies its disdain for TBH on account of TBH's disdain for other regions, including some which reside within the NPO's "Sphere of Influence" (which evidently is still up for debate). Since TBH has shown little past care for the wills of opposing regions, there isn't a good reason why the Pacific ought to treat TBH in a positive manner.
The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258
Reploid Productions wrote:Raiders are endlessly creative
by Doing it Rightland » Sun Dec 02, 2018 8:27 am
Galiantus III wrote:Part of the reason TBH is being treated better than the NPO, at least PR-wise, has to do with the fact that they are an open book. They own what they do, and they honor their alliances. If I were to challenge Souls on any TBH operation, he would say "Yes, we did that. That's what we do". They don't gaslight their opponents and deflect. Another factor here is that TBH, despite the military power available to it being significantly larger than the NPO, is not going around empire-building. They typically raid a place, raise their flag, party for a few weeks at the natives' expense, then leave. The NPO, on the other hand, has made obvious attempts at empire-building among the GCRs, and maintains UCR colonies where possible. It is nice the NPO was against Nazis, but I can't exactly call that special, because pretty much everyone loves a little fash-bash. The point is, the NPO takes itself extremely serious, and uses treaties and agreements as tools to leverage and gain power. TBH likes to show off their power, but they don't take themselves seriously and they try to maintain good sportsmanship. That is why the NPO is unpopular among friends while TBH is friends even with their enemies.
Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:Yeah, frankly, you don't really know what you're talking about.
The Pacific and the NPO are not moralist defenders. Nowhere in their ideology, which is very clearly stated, is any push to protect innocent regions. In fact, it's quite explicitly stated that as long as a given UCR is not trying to meddle in *their* business, they're of no consequence. And until The Pacific attacked The Black Hawks very repeatedly and in violation of standing agreements, we did not, in fact, attack anything tied to The Pacific, or The Pacific itself.
A good reason TP should have ignored is because they had no good reason to make enemies of us. Which is exactly what they agreed to in three different diplomatic talks where they agreed to stop acting aggressively towards us. And yet, they did not. While we were not allies, we were uninvolved parties, and The Pacific had very explicitly agreed to undertake no further espionage or other acts of aggression against us. I have the receipts, and can show them if need be.
Now see, again, they did not respect those agreements. They probably thought themselves superior, and us too little to do anything of note about any violation of them. As said at the time, it really would have been best for both of us to avoid conflict, but The Pacific just couldn't bring it upon themselves to do so. And thus, it has been my absolute pleasure to be at the forefront of using their own words and actions further against them. Meanwhile, despite their repeated pledging otherwise, they've yet to face us on the field since St Abbaddon.
Anyways, I'm being kind of facetious at this point, given that I'm not really sure it matters to TBH whether TP gives our concerns lip service at this point. I just find it amusing that when they infiltrated and broke agreements with other GCR's, there's "legitimate grievances," while stating the fact that they did the same to TBH is "slander."
by 2SDOATS » Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:25 am
by The Tri State Area and Maine » Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:38 am
2SDOATS wrote:This has been the final nail in the coffin of players crying and screaming kicking when they don't like what happened.
The narrative changed, but theyll claim there is more then one grievance which isnt true. The very large and obvious bias is present. Two of the loudest most vocal have the largest bias. The only issue that should be taken is on the use of pariah players. The other game moves do not now nor ever warrent a player being banned and effectively ending their ns career. Its a joke. If cormac was banned from every region he ever coupd or subverted we wouldnt have him in the game and don't kid yourself these same loud voices wouldnt allow the region to ever welcome them back because these players are incapable of duality of game and life and to see what this game has become is disgusting. Having played since 2003 and see how cliqued up this place is become and if yu scream the loudest youll get your way is tantamount to toddlers and babies.
The NPO out moved gp and the salt from it is beyond funny, the amount of tears I see in gp is basically the same as thethe clip of that poor soul that when trump was finally annouced as president screamed noooooooo. Get over it you dont care about what they did in the game your bias proves this and youll defend by no im capable of separating. But cormac is on record saying you dont attack Osiris and nownow is on a witch hunt i don't know where in the rules it says you cant subvert allies. But this place is virtually useless as a political game anymore its more a haven for a group of players to forget how much they are not important in reality so they come here and condesend new people and laud the fake power of a region.
Its the "elite" players like the loud vocal few that make new players not want to join this cesspool of toxic and ego which is sad.. Because you all were new once, posts are disregarded because of spelling and grammar and being new. Thats some petty bs.
Let me just say this. If the loud vocal few actually end the few involves game becareful because if you annoy them its only a matter of time before they turn on you. They don't care about having dissenting views they want a bubble. They like to hear themselves talk probably because they feel like their voice isnt heard else where its classic transference.
Yeah, I'm a puppet but thats because I dont have enough respect for you to use my main. Change your tone and actually look at justice tempered with logic and reason. Then I'll come out of the works. Until then, I will continue to show those who are feeling the rumbling in their Coinscince that this is going to far but are to afraid to say so a voice. Its ok. Step up the loud voices can't hurt you they are loud because thats all the have they cant do anything but call you names. They are trying to be rightous bullies. Theres no such thing standstand up gameplay.
Bans are so far beyond extreme its a joke that you are even asking for them. Honestly step back and look.
In the mean time, fight the power!
#gpwa
by 2SDOATS » Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:21 am
The Tri State Area and Maine wrote:2SDOATS wrote:This has been the final nail in the coffin of players crying and screaming kicking when they don't like what happened.
The narrative changed, but theyll claim there is more then one grievance which isnt true. The very large and obvious bias is present. Two of the loudest most vocal have the largest bias. The only issue that should be taken is on the use of pariah players. The other game moves do not now nor ever warrent a player being banned and effectively ending their ns career. Its a joke. If cormac was banned from every region he ever coupd or subverted we wouldnt have him in the game and don't kid yourself these same loud voices wouldnt allow the region to ever welcome them back because these players are incapable of duality of game and life and to see what this game has become is disgusting. Having played since 2003 and see how cliqued up this place is become and if yu scream the loudest youll get your way is tantamount to toddlers and babies.
The NPO out moved gp and the salt from it is beyond funny, the amount of tears I see in gp is basically the same as thethe clip of that poor soul that when trump was finally annouced as president screamed noooooooo. Get over it you dont care about what they did in the game your bias proves this and youll defend by no im capable of separating. But cormac is on record saying you dont attack Osiris and nownow is on a witch hunt i don't know where in the rules it says you cant subvert allies. But this place is virtually useless as a political game anymore its more a haven for a group of players to forget how much they are not important in reality so they come here and condesend new people and laud the fake power of a region.
Its the "elite" players like the loud vocal few that make new players not want to join this cesspool of toxic and ego which is sad.. Because you all were new once, posts are disregarded because of spelling and grammar and being new. Thats some petty bs.
Let me just say this. If the loud vocal few actually end the few involves game becareful because if you annoy them its only a matter of time before they turn on you. They don't care about having dissenting views they want a bubble. They like to hear themselves talk probably because they feel like their voice isnt heard else where its classic transference.
Yeah, I'm a puppet but thats because I dont have enough respect for you to use my main. Change your tone and actually look at justice tempered with logic and reason. Then I'll come out of the works. Until then, I will continue to show those who are feeling the rumbling in their Coinscince that this is going to far but are to afraid to say so a voice. Its ok. Step up the loud voices can't hurt you they are loud because thats all the have they cant do anything but call you names. They are trying to be rightous bullies. Theres no such thing standstand up gameplay.
Bans are so far beyond extreme its a joke that you are even asking for them. Honestly step back and look.
In the mean time, fight the power!
#gpwa
So your complaining about people not letting the game being political, and your solution is to make the game less political? Nobody is saying that subversion isn't perfectly legal in the game, it just comes with diplomatic consquences (as is politics.) Do you think the NPO should get away scot-free for trying to coup other regions? As to the point regarding the loud minority, I don't see the issue.
by Lord Dominator » Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:54 am
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