Imperial Statement from the New Pacific Order

[Kavagrad]

Come on Cormac you have said you want the NPO completely gone lets not pretend like anything they do or say will ever be good enough

You don't get to complain about that until the NPO, y'know, actually fulfils the demands of Osiris and Lazarus. Because until then, it's the NPO failing GP, not the other way around, Cormac's just making sure to remind everyone where they're doing so.

You'd think the NPO would be thanking Cormac for reminding them where they're failing to act, but alas.

[Imperium of Josh]

Frankly the NPO being gone on the whole sounds just fine to me as a personal objective

[King Bradley]

For what it’s worth (and it’s worth quite a bit), I admire and respect Cormac and co in ensuring The NPO is held accountable.

[Cormactopia Prime]

Come on Cormac you have said you want the NPO completely gone lets not pretend like anything they do or say will ever be good enough

What I want isn't what's at issue here. What's at issue is what various regions have insisted upon, and the NPO's failure to deliver.

I'm certain the NPO doesn't care what I want as an individual, or what I will do if I don't get it -- and rightly so. What they should care about is what the regions they've injured want. I'm simply pointing out that they are failing to meet the terms of Lazarus, Osiris, and TNP. If they won't truly make amends to the aggrieved regions, there is no reason for those regions or any other regions to believe the NPO is actually serious about meaningful, positive reform.

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

Cormac isn't alone in being aware that the NPO has thus far failed to fully meet any of the terms laid out by Osiris, The North Pacific and many others. And whilst TNP Regional Assembly isn't currently considering a declaration of war, I can name at least one citizen who will be pushing for further sanctions and action against the NPO should they continue to fail to meet the terms Siwale's government has laid out. They are reasonable and if the NPO is serious about change, should be fully considered.

[Armaros]

As far as I can see it, things are pretty confused in the NPO.

One half is like "we're so sorry this happened and won't do it again. But actually it wasn't that bad, and we refuse to take steps to prevent it from happening and meeting your demands."

and the other half: "All you worthless pieces of shit in Gameplay. We don't need to apologise, sad people. We will crush you."

The second one is actually being honest about how they feel about the infiltration; the first are empty words reading like propaganda. It is pretty clear how genuine this apology is. Lazarene or Osiran demands are not particularly hard/should take a long time. The fact the NPO refuses to do this says enough.

[Draganisia]

If you really want us to work with you than we need better demands that have nothing to do with the destruction of the NPO which WILL NEVER HAPPEN !!!

Until then all I see are empty threats.

[The Tri State Area and Maine]

If you really want us to work with you than we need better demands that have nothing to do with the destruction of the NPO which WILL NEVER HAPPEN !!!

Until then all I see are empty threats.

Lazarus gave the NPO the lightest demands ever, and the NPO still hasn't complied with them.

[Lord Dominator]

Nor has any of the other GCR demands included NPO destruction on the initial list for that matter.

[Draganisia]

If that is true than I have not seen them so feel free to send me a resonable telegram.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

If you really want us to work with you than we need better demands that have nothing to do with the destruction of the NPO which WILL NEVER HAPPEN !!!

Until then all I see are empty threats.

TNP's sole demand was that Svez be removed. That hasn't happened.

TSP's demands were the banning of Perg and Svez and the release of info regarding threats to TSP. None of that has happened.

Lazarus demanded that those responsible for attempting to instigate a civil war there are removed. They also asked the NPO to refrain from further operations within their borders and info on ones currently in action. Plus, an apology. None of that has happened.

Just three examples of demands that aren't even close to the "destruction of the NPO". You really should read more. Also, I don't think you're in a position to state what the NPO "needs". Do you hold any position within the NPO?

[Lalop]

If you really want us to work with you than we need better demands that have nothing to do with the destruction of the NPO which WILL NEVER HAPPEN !!!

Until then all I see are empty threats.

TNP's sole demand was that Svez be removed. That hasn't happened.

TSP's demands were the banning of Perg and Svez and the release of info regarding threats to TSP. None of that has happened.

Lazarus demanded that those responsible for attempting to instigate a civil war there are removed. They also asked the NPO to refrain from further operations within their borders and info on ones currently in action. Plus, an apology. None of that has happened.

Just three examples of demands that aren't even close to the "destruction of the NPO". You really should read more. Also, I don't think you're in a position to state what the NPO "needs". Do you hold any position within the NPO?

NPO isn't going to apologies for playing the game, coups and huge military battles is what keeps NS gameplay worthwhile. The ST Abby battle finally got me interested in NS a lot again after a 2 week long hiatus.

[The Tri State Area and Maine]

TNP's sole demand was that Svez be removed. That hasn't happened.

TSP's demands were the banning of Perg and Svez and the release of info regarding threats to TSP. None of that has happened.

Lazarus demanded that those responsible for attempting to instigate a civil war there are removed. They also asked the NPO to refrain from further operations within their borders and info on ones currently in action. Plus, an apology. None of that has happened.

Just three examples of demands that aren't even close to the "destruction of the NPO". You really should read more. Also, I don't think you're in a position to state what the NPO "needs". Do you hold any position within the NPO?

NPO isn't going to apologies for playing the game, coups and huge military battles is what keeps NS gameplay worthwhile. The ST Abby battle finally got me interested in NS a lot again after a 2 week long hiatus.

The NPO can play the game how they want, but don't think that there won't be consequences for subverting other regions.

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

If you really want us to work with you than we need better demands that have nothing to do with the destruction of the NPO which WILL NEVER HAPPEN !!!

Until then all I see are empty threats.

The North Pacific asked for:

• that Svezjacael is immediately removed from his role as Quaestor and Senator and banned from the Pacific for his acts of aggression against The North Pacific and other allies and GCRs

The Osiris Fraternal Order asked for:

• Those responsible for the infiltration of Osiris are permanently banned from the Pacific and their actions are publicly disavowed.
• Pergamon for hiding Block's identity and advising him on how to better deceive us is removed as Consul and permanently banned from the Pacific. NPO publicly promises that it will never again allow our communities to endure OOC threats by their hands without our consent and prior knowledge. (Hint: we do not consent)
• For either weaponization of the idea of plausible deniability or genuine incompetence on Aleisyr's part that has reached so far as to destroy the sovereignty and nearly lead to the coup of several GCRs by Pacificans, Aleisyr steps down and allows someone who can be more trusted to pay at least enough attention to his region that it doesn't put the rest of us in danger to take delegacy.
• Any further information regarding threats to the security of Osiris or our fellow GCRs is released immediately.
• Any further information regarding OOC threats that NPO is harboring or has harbored is released immediately.

Lazarus asked for:

• Permanent removal from office in the NPO of the leaders of the Lazarus Task Force, inclusive of Aleisyr, Pergamon, Svezjacael, Stujenske, and Feux
• Other suspicious or undesirable nations known to the NPO to be resident in Lazarus or any off-site property are to be immediately reported to Lazarene regional staff
• The NPO may not deploy operations within our borders, unless future Lazarene policy allows support of a legal delegacy transition
• An official apology from the NPO for its recently revealed offences against Lazarus and other regions

The South Pacific asked for:

• We demand that Svezjacael and Pergamon be permanently banned from the Pacific and that any further information regarding threats to the South Pacific or our fellow Game-Created Regions be released immediately.

None of that is paraphrased or misquoted. It is literally copy and pasted. Click the links and you'll see. None of these demands have been fully met to any acceptable standard.

None of these demands call for the destruction of the NPO.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

TNP's sole demand was that Svez be removed. That hasn't happened.

TSP's demands were the banning of Perg and Svez and the release of info regarding threats to TSP. None of that has happened.

Lazarus demanded that those responsible for attempting to instigate a civil war there are removed. They also asked the NPO to refrain from further operations within their borders and info on ones currently in action. Plus, an apology. None of that has happened.

Just three examples of demands that aren't even close to the "destruction of the NPO". You really should read more. Also, I don't think you're in a position to state what the NPO "needs". Do you hold any position within the NPO?

NPO isn't going to apologies for playing the game, coups and huge military battles is what keeps NS gameplay worthwhile. The ST Abby battle finally got me interested in NS a lot again after a 2 week long hiatus.

Yet again, we have someone of no significance in the NPO speaking on behalf of the NPO lol? The NPO apologized before, dudamus. A bit before your time. Granted, they went back on it anyways and continued their shitty actions but they still apologized.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

TNP's sole demand was that Svez be removed. That hasn't happened.

TSP's demands were the banning of Perg and Svez and the release of info regarding threats to TSP. None of that has happened.

Lazarus demanded that those responsible for attempting to instigate a civil war there are removed. They also asked the NPO to refrain from further operations within their borders and info on ones currently in action. Plus, an apology. None of that has happened.

Just three examples of demands that aren't even close to the "destruction of the NPO". You really should read more. Also, I don't think you're in a position to state what the NPO "needs". Do you hold any position within the NPO?

NPO isn't going to apologies for playing the game, coups and huge military battles is what keeps NS gameplay worthwhile. The ST Abby battle finally got me interested in NS a lot again after a 2 week long hiatus.

Is it then not fair for other regions to stop trusting the NPO, if it's going to flagrantly violate treaties and then say "we aren't going to apologize for playing the game"?

[Draganisia]

If you really want us to work with you than we need better demands that have nothing to do with the destruction of the NPO which WILL NEVER HAPPEN !!!

Until then all I see are empty threats.

The North Pacific asked for:

• that Svezjacael is immediately removed from his role as Quaestor and Senator and banned from the Pacific for his acts of aggression against The North Pacific and other allies and GCRs

The Osiris Fraternal Order asked for:

• Those responsible for the infiltration of Osiris are permanently banned from the Pacific and their actions are publicly disavowed.
• Pergamon for hiding Block's identity and advising him on how to better deceive us is removed as Consul and permanently banned from the Pacific. NPO publicly promises that it will never again allow our communities to endure OOC threats by their hands without our consent and prior knowledge. (Hint: we do not consent)
• For either weaponization of the idea of plausible deniability or genuine incompetence on Aleisyr's part that has reached so far as to destroy the sovereignty and nearly lead to the coup of several GCRs by Pacificans, Aleisyr steps down and allows someone who can be more trusted to pay at least enough attention to his region that it doesn't put the rest of us in danger to take delegacy.
• Any further information regarding threats to the security of Osiris or our fellow GCRs is released immediately.
• Any further information regarding OOC threats that NPO is harboring or has harbored is released immediately.

Lazarus asked for:

• Permanent removal from office in the NPO of the leaders of the Lazarus Task Force, inclusive of Aleisyr, Pergamon, Svezjacael, Stujenske, and Feux
• Other suspicious or undesirable nations known to the NPO to be resident in Lazarus or any off-site property are to be immediately reported to Lazarene regional staff
• The NPO may not deploy operations within our borders, unless future Lazarene policy allows support of a legal delegacy transition
• An official apology from the NPO for its recently revealed offences against Lazarus and other regions

The South Pacific asked for:

• We demand that Svezjacael and Pergamon be permanently banned from the Pacific and that any further information regarding threats to the South Pacific or our fellow Game-Created Regions be released immediately.

None of that is paraphrased or misquoted. It is literally copy and pasted. Click the links and you'll see. None of these demands have been fully met to any acceptable standard.

None of these demands call for the destruction of the NPO.

You are right in that those are resonable and some of that has actually already been done.

Will see what I can do.

But only if you can also promise that if all of it is done that there will be peace.

[Lalop]

NPO isn't going to apologies for playing the game, coups and huge military battles is what keeps NS gameplay worthwhile. The ST Abby battle finally got me interested in NS a lot again after a 2 week long hiatus.

Yet again, we have someone of no significance in the NPO speaking on behalf of the NPO lol? The NPO apologized before, dudamus. A bit before your time. Granted, they went back on it anyways and continued their shitty actions but they still apologized.

You have significance to who? Your not even WA. Not in your place to call me irrelevant

[Lalop]

If you really want us to work with you than we need better demands that have nothing to do with the destruction of the NPO which WILL NEVER HAPPEN !!!

Until then all I see are empty threats.

TNP's sole demand was that Svez be removed. That hasn't happened.

TSP's demands were the banning of Perg and Svez and the release of info regarding threats to TSP. None of that has happened.

Lazarus demanded that those responsible for attempting to instigate a civil war there are removed. They also asked the NPO to refrain from further operations within their borders and info on ones currently in action. Plus, an apology. None of that has happened.

Just three examples of demands that aren't even close to the "destruction of the NPO". You really should read more. Also, I don't think you're in a position to state what the NPO "needs". Do you hold any position within the NPO?

You have to realize, that these people are very important in the NPO. And they still hold a lot of influence. I don't even think, as an outside observer, that East Durthanhag even has the authority to ban these people. Remember that Aly is still the delegate. And the Lazarus demand was clearly a public statement. Do they really think, that consiring their track record, that their was only a few people involved in this. Their whole leadership was in on it. But I doubt that either the NPO fanboys or the people desperate for an 'apology' will admit it.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

Yet again, we have someone of no significance in the NPO speaking on behalf of the NPO lol? The NPO apologized before, dudamus. A bit before your time. Granted, they went back on it anyways and continued their shitty actions but they still apologized.

You have significance to who? Your not even WA. Not in your place to call me irrelevant

I mean... I'm a leader of a region with over 200 nations and have been on NS for 8 years. MY WA is off doing raid, fash bashing stuff. I'm not exactly a pinnacle of NS power but at least I have some modicum of relevance

TNP's sole demand was that Svez be removed. That hasn't happened.

TSP's demands were the banning of Perg and Svez and the release of info regarding threats to TSP. None of that has happened.

Lazarus demanded that those responsible for attempting to instigate a civil war there are removed. They also asked the NPO to refrain from further operations within their borders and info on ones currently in action. Plus, an apology. None of that has happened.

Just three examples of demands that aren't even close to the "destruction of the NPO". You really should read more. Also, I don't think you're in a position to state what the NPO "needs". Do you hold any position within the NPO?

You have to realize, that these people are very important in the NPO. And they still hold a lot of influence. I don't even think, as an outside observer, that East Durthanhag even has the authority to ban these people. Remember that Aly is still the delegate. And the Lazarus demand was clearly a public statement. Do they really think, that consiring their track record, that their was only a few people involved in this. Their whole leadership was in on it. But I doubt that either the NPO fanboys or the people desperate for an 'apology' will admit it.

I really don't see how you think this helps their cause lol. Also, Laz isn't demanding that everyone there be removed. They're demanding those specific people be. 2 of whom have already resigned anyways. All that's left is their banning.

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

The North Pacific asked for:

• that Svezjacael is immediately removed from his role as Quaestor and Senator and banned from the Pacific for his acts of aggression against The North Pacific and other allies and GCRs

The Osiris Fraternal Order asked for:

• Those responsible for the infiltration of Osiris are permanently banned from the Pacific and their actions are publicly disavowed.
• Pergamon for hiding Block's identity and advising him on how to better deceive us is removed as Consul and permanently banned from the Pacific. NPO publicly promises that it will never again allow our communities to endure OOC threats by their hands without our consent and prior knowledge. (Hint: we do not consent)
• For either weaponization of the idea of plausible deniability or genuine incompetence on Aleisyr's part that has reached so far as to destroy the sovereignty and nearly lead to the coup of several GCRs by Pacificans, Aleisyr steps down and allows someone who can be more trusted to pay at least enough attention to his region that it doesn't put the rest of us in danger to take delegacy.
• Any further information regarding threats to the security of Osiris or our fellow GCRs is released immediately.
• Any further information regarding OOC threats that NPO is harboring or has harbored is released immediately.

Lazarus asked for:

• Permanent removal from office in the NPO of the leaders of the Lazarus Task Force, inclusive of Aleisyr, Pergamon, Svezjacael, Stujenske, and Feux
• Other suspicious or undesirable nations known to the NPO to be resident in Lazarus or any off-site property are to be immediately reported to Lazarene regional staff
• The NPO may not deploy operations within our borders, unless future Lazarene policy allows support of a legal delegacy transition
• An official apology from the NPO for its recently revealed offences against Lazarus and other regions

The South Pacific asked for:

• We demand that Svezjacael and Pergamon be permanently banned from the Pacific and that any further information regarding threats to the South Pacific or our fellow Game-Created Regions be released immediately.

None of that is paraphrased or misquoted. It is literally copy and pasted. Click the links and you'll see. None of these demands have been fully met to any acceptable standard.

None of these demands call for the destruction of the NPO.

You are right in that those are resonable and some of that has actually already been done.

Will see what I can do.

But only if you can also promise that if all of it is done that there will be peace.

I don't have that power - but I can assure that should TNP's demands be met, you probably won't find me advocating for war with the NPO.

[Draganisia]

Yet again, we have someone of no significance in the NPO speaking on behalf of the NPO lol? The NPO apologized before, dudamus. A bit before your time. Granted, they went back on it anyways and continued their shitty actions but they still apologized.

You have significance to who? Your not even WA. Not in your place to call me irrelevant

Especially since you are not even in the Pacific at all yourself Lalop.

[Lalop]

You have significance to who? Your not even WA. Not in your place to call me irrelevant

Especially since you are not even in the Pacific at all yourself Lalop.

I don't want to be in the Pacific. Rather be a big fist in a small pond, then a a tiny fish in an ocean.

[Lalop]

You have significance to who? Your not even WA. Not in your place to call me irrelevant

I mean... I'm a leader of a region with over 200 nations and have been on NS for 8 years. MY WA is off doing raid, fash bashing stuff. I'm not exactly a pinnacle of NS power but at least I have some modicum of relevance

You have to realize, that these people are very important in the NPO. And they still hold a lot of influence. I don't even think, as an outside observer, that East Durthanhag even has the authority to ban these people. Remember that Aly is still the delegate. And the Lazarus demand was clearly a public statement. Do they really think, that consiring their track record, that their was only a few people involved in this. Their whole leadership was in on it. But I doubt that either the NPO fanboys or the people desperate for an 'apology' will admit it.

I really don't see how you think this helps their cause lol. Also, Laz isn't demanding that everyone there be removed. They're demanding those specific people be. 2 of whom have already resigned anyways. All that's left is their banning.

Cant you see this! There not going to be banned, because if they did, the hardliners there would start a civil war. Permagon is like trump to those guys, they'll listen to anything he says. The NPO doesn't want to risk the loyalty, while their at war mind you, of the rank and file citizen yelling muh Userite. I know a few of them IRL, and all I'll say is that if Pergamon was ejected, their would be mass unrest in the NPO.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

I mean... I'm a leader of a region with over 200 nations and have been on NS for 8 years. MY WA is off doing raid, fash bashing stuff. I'm not exactly a pinnacle of NS power but at least I have some modicum of relevance


I really don't see how you think this helps their cause lol. Also, Laz isn't demanding that everyone there be removed. They're demanding those specific people be. 2 of whom have already resigned anyways. All that's left is their banning.

Cant you see this! There not going to be banned, because if they did, the hardliners there would start a civil war. Permagon is like trump to those guys, they'll listen to anything he says. The NPO doesn't want to risk the loyalty, while their at war mind you, of the rank and file citizen yelling muh Userite. I know a few of them IRL, and all I'll say is that if Pergamon was ejected, their would be mass unrest in the NPO.

I'm curious, what makes you an expert on the psychology of the NPO? What makes you so certain that they're not gonna do something lol?

Edit: actually, nvm. I don't even know why I'm bothering lol