Imperial Statement from the New Pacific Order

[Kranostav]

Are you insinuating that you do not have control over EuroFounder, and did not enact the embassy closing?

I'm sure EuroFounder would consider any advice I were to offer as a fellow seasoned NSer, but to say I have 'control' of anyone is a bit of an overstatement.

Perhaps I should rephrase... Did you use the EuroFounder account to rescind the embassy to Europeia and/or post "Whilst Europe remains above the fray, we cannot maintain relations with a region that makes aggressive moves against an ally." (https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=33465317) in their RMB? And if not, did you influence EuroFounder's decision to do so?

[Myrth]

I'm sure EuroFounder would consider any advice I were to offer as a fellow seasoned NSer, but to say I have 'control' of anyone is a bit of an overstatement.

Perhaps I should rephrase... Did you use the EuroFounder account to rescind the embassy to Europeia and post "Whilst Europe remains above the fray, we cannot maintain relations with a region that makes aggressive moves against an ally." in their RMB? And if not, did you influence EuroFounder's decision to do so?

I would never access the account of another player and I'm quite honestly shocked at the thought of anyone thinking I would. As for influencing anyone's decisions, the actions taken by a party are their responsibility and theirs alone. "Influencing"... you make it sound so insidious.

2004-04-17 (April 17, 2004) - Myrth becomes a moderator [1]
2005-06-01 (June 1, 2005) - Myrth stands down as moderator [1] [2]

Aw, that was a fun 13 months. As I recall I was owning them GM olympics.

[Kranostav]

Perhaps I should rephrase... Did you use the EuroFounder account to rescind the embassy to Europeia and post "Whilst Europe remains above the fray, we cannot maintain relations with a region that makes aggressive moves against an ally." in their RMB? And if not, did you influence EuroFounder's decision to do so?

I would never access the account of another player and I'm quite honestly shocked at the thought of anyone thinking I would. As for influencing anyone's decisions, the actions taken by a party are their responsibility and theirs alone. "Influencing"... you make it sound so insidious.

I apologize for making it seem as if you committed any wrongdoing. I was simply under the impression that you had shared access to that account during the period in which the executive action was taken by that account without consultation of the commission.

[Myrth]

I would never access the account of another player and I'm quite honestly shocked at the thought of anyone thinking I would. As for influencing anyone's decisions, the actions taken by a party are their responsibility and theirs alone. "Influencing"... you make it sound so insidious.

I apologize for making it seem as if you committed any wrongdoing. I was simply under the impression that you had shared access to that account during the period in which the executive action was taken by that account without consultation of the commission.

That's quite all right, it's easy to get confused when there's so much misinformation flying about.

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

I apologize for making it seem as if you committed any wrongdoing. I was simply under the impression that you had shared access to that account during the period in which the executive action was taken by that account without consultation of the commission.

That's quite all right, it's easy to get confused when there's so much misinformation flying about.

Only reply to this bullshit.

[Myrth]

That's quite all right, it's easy to get confused when there's so much misinformation flying about.

Only reply to this bullshit.

I can post links to youtube videos, too.

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

Only reply to this bullshit.

I can post links to youtube videos, too.

Touche.

[Galiantus III]

When are we going to get some statements from the new emperor about what the Pacific intends to do moving forward? I'd like to know what his position on all of this is supposed do be.

[Kranostav]

When are we going to get some statements from the new emperor about what the Pacific intends to do moving forward? I'd like to know what his position on all of this is supposed do be.

Considering they've yet to address the regime change in general, don't hold your breath.

[Novgorod-Pskov]

Perhaps I should rephrase... Did you use the EuroFounder account to rescind the embassy to Europeia and post "Whilst Europe remains above the fray, we cannot maintain relations with a region that makes aggressive moves against an ally." in their RMB? And if not, did you influence EuroFounder's decision to do so?

I would never access the account of another player and I'm quite honestly shocked at the thought of anyone thinking I would. As for influencing anyone's decisions, the actions taken by a party are their responsibility and theirs alone. "Influencing"... you make it sound so insidious.

I would like to point out that, in the following quote from Eurofounder, he does not deny being Myrth.

I was just about to bring up the fact that the Europe founder(s) have exercised their autonomy from time to time on European democracy. Usually to block their delegates from getting Europe involved diplomatically with enemies of the NPO.

I'm less convinced that Europe is a democracy. It always seemed like a vaguely 'NPO' hold on Europe via Myrth - with the government and the region's activity stuck in a colonial and isolationist stasis as a result; all the while, individuals have pursued the delegacy and curry favour with the founders for their own personal interests in the WA.

What would "Commend Europe" even commend them for? Existing? Exercising its power over the WA? Quietly ignoring most of gameplay!? It's just downright silly for an organization that's been ignored by Europe for years to go out of its way to commend them. Surely a precondition of such recognition should be some sort of interregional contribution...

I think it's probably a bad idea to begin your commendation by pissing off everyone who defends for the sake of peace and practices democracy properly. Sure, you would secure the vote of the NPO, Balder, TWP and that lot - but you know as well as I do, they're not the stackers. Nobody likes to be moralized to, but especially those more commonly doing the moralizing.

What a typically trite and condescending response from yourself. I especially liked the "practices democracy properly" part, and not just for the misuse of the noun form of the word. Lol'd heartily at that one.
Say what you wish, but for nigh on 14 years Europe has been one of the largest UCRs and has never used sought to exert influence over other regions. I'm not suggesting Europe is worthy of commendation, but your implication that Europe is some sort of malign outpost is insulting.

[Cool Spring]

New Pacific Order delenda est, you fascist scum.

I ask you to immediately retract this statement.

As a wise man once said, "No."

If you can support the NPO, which is Francoist by nature and in turn is fascist, then I have two things to say to you:

1. My middle finger salutes you, you fool.

2. Go suck on a cactus - seems you love to suck off the NPO every day.

[Farnhamia]

I ask you to immediately retract this statement.

As a wise man once said, "No."

If you can support the NPO, which is Francoist by nature and in turn is fascist, then I have two things to say to you:

1. My middle finger salutes you, you fool.

2. Go suck on a cactus - seems you love to suck off the NPO every day.

I was lenient when the "fascist scum" post was reported. Apparently that was a mistake.

*** Warned for flaming. ***

[Reformed High Reiserland]

I would never access the account of another player and I'm quite honestly shocked at the thought of anyone thinking I would. As for influencing anyone's decisions, the actions taken by a party are their responsibility and theirs alone. "Influencing"... you make it sound so insidious.

I would like to point out that, in the following quote from Eurofounder, he does not deny being Myrth.

I would also like to add that several months ago, Jeux II (a.k.a. Feux) sent me a telegram regarding the European embassy of USSR. It is clearly written on the telegram that EuroFounder is Myrth.

"Hello.

Just to let you know, the USSR embassy was granted by EuroFounder. who is also Comrade Senator Myrth. The Pacific, during his time, had a relationship with the USSR so thus him wanting an embassy. I'm like 70% sure that's the case."

[Myrth]

I would never access the account of another player and I'm quite honestly shocked at the thought of anyone thinking I would. As for influencing anyone's decisions, the actions taken by a party are their responsibility and theirs alone. "Influencing"... you make it sound so insidious.

I would like to point out that, in the following quote from Eurofounder, he does not deny being Myrth.

I would also like to add that several months ago, Jeux II (a.k.a. Feux) sent me a telegram regarding the European embassy of USSR. It is clearly written on the telegram that EuroFounder is Myrth.

"Hello.

Just to let you know, the USSR embassy was granted by EuroFounder. who is also Comrade Senator Myrth. The Pacific, during his time, had a relationship with the USSR so thus him wanting an embassy. I'm like 70% sure that's the case."

Whilst I have utmost respect for Feux, he's sadly not renowned for his fact checking. But that's understandable, recorded history from the early days is sketchy so it's not surprising that there are misconceptions and inaccuracies floating about.

[Unibot III]

I would also like to add that several months ago, Jeux II (a.k.a. Feux) sent me a telegram regarding the European embassy of USSR. It is clearly written on the telegram that EuroFounder is Myrth.

"Hello.

Just to let you know, the USSR embassy was granted by EuroFounder. who is also Comrade Senator Myrth. The Pacific, during his time, had a relationship with the USSR so thus him wanting an embassy. I'm like 70% sure that's the case."

Whilst I have utmost respect for Feux, he's sadly not renowned for his fact checking. But that's understandable, recorded history from the early days is sketchy so it's not surprising that there are misconceptions and inaccuracies floating about.

I’m assuming something unrelated to this discussion is inaccurately stated in that paragraph.

Otherwise:

You booted Feux out of Europe, you cheeky bugger!

[Astarial]

Myrth is hiding behind duality, folks. You're never going to get a straight answer out of him.

For those of you who weren't around when the NPO fabricated the idea, it can basically be summed up as pretending that the different nations you control are completely separate with no overlap and no bias. If EuroFounder did something, well, goshdarnit, Myrth certainly didn't have any influence, and it was solely and entirely because the identity of EuroFounder considered it to be the best thing to do.

If that sounds like crap, it's because it absolutely is, and duality is a notion fell out of vogue some time ago.

[Lord Dominator]

Myrth is hiding behind duality, folks. You're never going to get a straight answer out of him.

For those of you who weren't around when the NPO fabricated the idea, it can basically be summed up as pretending that the different nations you control are completely separate with no overlap and no bias. If EuroFounder did something, well, goshdarnit, Myrth certainly didn't have any influence, and it was solely and entirely because the identity of EuroFounder considered it to be the best thing to do.

If that sounds like crap, it's because it absolutely is, and duality is a notion fell out of vogue some time ago.

Still sounds like a nice thing to strive for though, tbh

[Astarial]

Still sounds like a nice thing to strive for though, tbh

Should we all try to do the best we can by the region(s) we are citizens of? Yes. Should we try to look beyond our personal biases? Yes.

But the NPOer practicing duality will earnestly tell you that their citizenship application, in which they claimed to hold no other memberships elsewhere, is completely and totally true, because that one identity only exists in your region, and has no overlap with Senator So-and-So, who is definitely a completely different nation. They will, farcically, claim that - for example - there is no conflict of interest in one of their nations being the judge presiding over a criminal trial, and the other nation being a defense attorney, and that this is valid because they are different identities. They will pass the information they learn on to the NPO senate, but because it was spoken under the name of the senator, and not under the name of the nation with the access to gather the intelligence, they will make the ludicrous claim that they never spied on you.

Trying to rise above our personal biases is one of a long list of things that the NPO perverts and ruins by taking to extremes.

[Lord Dominator]

Still sounds like a nice thing to strive for though, tbh

Should we all try to do the best we can by the region(s) we are citizens of? Yes. Should we try to look beyond our personal biases? Yes.

But the NPOer practicing duality will earnestly tell you that their citizenship application, in which they claimed to hold no other memberships elsewhere, is completely and totally true, because that one identity only exists in your region, and has no overlap with Senator So-and-So, who is definitely a completely different nation. They will, farcically, laim that - for example - there is no conflict of interest in one of their nations being the judge presiding over a criminal trial, and the other nation being a defense attorney, and that this is valid because they are different identities. They will pass the information they learn on to the NPO senate, but because it was spoken under the name of the senator, and not under the name of the nation with the access to gather the intelligence, they will make the ludicrous claim that they never spied on you.

It is one of a long list of things that the NPO perverts and ruins by taking to extremes.

Oh, I most certainly got that. Now I just desire more stories of them doing ludicrous things like that

[SillyString]

Trying to rise above our personal biases is one of a long list of things that the NPO perverts and ruins by taking to extremes.

Hyperbole suits you.

[Solorni]

Trying to rise above our personal biases is one of a long list of things that the NPO perverts and ruins by taking to extremes.

Hyperbole suits you.

You're the best!

[Neo Kervoskia]

Myrth is hiding behind duality, folks. You're never going to get a straight answer out of him.

For those of you who weren't around when the NPO fabricated the idea, it can basically be summed up as pretending that the different nations you control are completely separate with no overlap and no bias. If EuroFounder did something, well, goshdarnit, Myrth certainly didn't have any influence, and it was solely and entirely because the identity of EuroFounder considered it to be the best thing to do.

If that sounds like crap, it's because it absolutely is, and duality is a notion fell out of vogue some time ago.

Don't forget Blackbird/Cortath.

[King Bradley]

I wonder what other entertaining leaks The NPO gets before its run aground.

[RiderSyl]

Myrth is hiding behind duality, folks. You're never going to get a straight answer out of him.

For those of you who weren't around when the NPO fabricated the idea, it can basically be summed up as pretending that the different nations you control are completely separate with no overlap and no bias. If EuroFounder did something, well, goshdarnit, Myrth certainly didn't have any influence, and it was solely and entirely because the identity of EuroFounder considered it to be the best thing to do.

If that sounds like crap, it's because it absolutely is, and duality is a notion fell out of vogue some time ago.

EuroFounder is clearly a tulpa of Myrth.

[Unibot III]

Myrth is hiding behind duality, folks. You're never going to get a straight answer out of him.

For those of you who weren't around when the NPO fabricated the idea, it can basically be summed up as pretending that the different nations you control are completely separate with no overlap and no bias. If EuroFounder did something, well, goshdarnit, Myrth certainly didn't have any influence, and it was solely and entirely because the identity of EuroFounder considered it to be the best thing to do.

If that sounds like crap, it's because it absolutely is, and duality is a notion fell out of vogue some time ago.

He actually hasn't denied being EuroFounder at all in any of these posts if you parse his sentences closely and literally, looking for non sequiturs and such. **** Which is admirably classic NPO. ****

Also there's a real duality at play here, I think. The rumour has always been that there are two co-owners of EuroFounder: Myrth and an unknown player. The joke (and in all reality, general practice) in the GA back in the day was to always ask EuroFounder twice for things when the delegate needed permission. If he/she refused the first time, the second player often countermanded the first refusal. This inevitably would get us in loads of shit when Myrth would come online and countermand the aboutface with violent urgency. I experienced this many a time...

Should we all try to do the best we can by the region(s) we are citizens of? Yes. Should we try to look beyond our personal biases? Yes.

But the NPOer practicing duality will earnestly tell you that their citizenship application, in which they claimed to hold no other memberships elsewhere, is completely and totally true, because that one identity only exists in your region, and has no overlap with Senator So-and-So, who is definitely a completely different nation. They will, farcically, laim that - for example - there is no conflict of interest in one of their nations being the judge presiding over a criminal trial, and the other nation being a defense attorney, and that this is valid because they are different identities. They will pass the information they learn on to the NPO senate, but because it was spoken under the name of the senator, and not under the name of the nation with the access to gather the intelligence, they will make the ludicrous claim that they never spied on you.

It is one of a long list of things that the NPO perverts and ruins by taking to extremes.

Oh, I most certainly got that. Now I just desire more stories of them doing ludicrous things like that

"I'm not UPS RAIL, it's just a coincidence it spells S-I-R P-A-U-L - coincidence, I say!" *twirling mustache* But like, for real. Sir Paul still disputes it. Says he visited UPS Rail on vacation.

These people put "MOVE HERE AND ENDORSE FRANCOS SPAIN" in their World Factbook Entry and still denied official involvement in the invasion.