Imperial Statement from the New Pacific Order

[Pergamon]

Yes, this is the logical consequence of what I tried to tell over and over again? If TBH is involved, we will arrive to oppose it.

And if TBH isn't involved, there won't be enough pilers, and your friends the Grey Wardens will arrive to oppose it.

Tell me again how you're not actually declaring war against all raiders. You're putting them in a damned if they do, damned if they don't situation.

We declared war against The Black Hawks. If all raiders act as unified block under the wise rule of Ever Wandering Souls, I am waiting for their public statements of support and their Declaration of Wars against the NPO. To state it again: We have no quarrels with other raiders other than The Black Hawks at this time being and we will not interrupt their individual operations. We will only interrupt that particular occupation that involves TBH, nothing else.

[Killer Kitty]

If TBH is involved, we will arrive to oppose it.

That's like a bonus.

Banning NPO troopers is wicked fun, I can speak from first hand experience. They're like the Red Shirts of Nationstates. 10 out of 10, would ban again.

Also, in this thread, Pergamon doesn't understand what Raider Unity is.

[Cormactopia Prime]

And if TBH isn't involved, there won't be enough pilers, and your friends the Grey Wardens will arrive to oppose it.

Tell me again how you're not actually declaring war against all raiders. You're putting them in a damned if they do, damned if they don't situation.

We declared war against The Black Hawks. If all raiders act as unified block under the wise rule of Ever Wandering Souls, I am waiting for their public statements of support and their Declaration of Wars against the NPO. To state it again: We have no quarrels with other raiders other than The Black Hawks at this time being and we will not interrupt their individual operations. We will only interrupt that particular occupation that involves TBH, nothing else.

And if their occupations don't involve TBH, they won't have enough pilers and your friends the Wardens will interrupt them. I just went over this.

[Pergamon]

If TBH is involved, we will arrive to oppose it.

That's like a bonus.

Banning NPO troopers is wicked fun, I can speak from first hand experience. They're like the Red Shirts of Nationstates. 10 out of 10, would ban again.

Also, in this thread, Pergamon doesn't understand what Raider Unity is.

No, I don't, because the NPO just declared war upon TBH after they attacked us. So where is the rest of this "unity" to respond to our DoW by handing out their own Declarations? If you want to pretend that there is one united block, please act as one united block and stop this poor show.

Edit: To me it looks like there will be raiders that are not interested in supporting this crusade of Souls and just want to continue with their own business. Which won't be interrupted by the NPO, because as stated before: WE have no state of war with any other faction than TBH.

[Pergamon]

Yes, this is the logical consequence of what I tried to tell over and over again? If TBH is involved, we will arrive to oppose it.

And if TBH isn't involved, there won't be enough pilers, and your friends the Grey Wardens will arrive to oppose it.

Tell me again how you're not actually declaring war against all raiders. You're putting them in a damned if they do, damned if they don't situation.

As I said, we do not care about what Raiders do, we do not oppose them. We only have war with TBH. If it is the case that TGW outnumbers raiders without the support of TBH, I think it is quite realistic that raiders that seek dialogue with us about that matter, are able to gain the unconditional support of the New Pacific Order for an occupation they are planning if it means long term, that they distance themselves from Souls and his petty crusade against a faction which actually isn't hostile towards raiders, but hostile towards forces that actively oppose it.

[Killer Kitty]

No, I don't, because the NPO just declared war upon TBH after they attacked us. So where is the rest of this "unity" to respond to our DoW by handing out their own Declarations?

NPO just isn't important enough to declare war against.

Sorry.

[Cormactopia Prime]

And if TBH isn't involved, there won't be enough pilers, and your friends the Grey Wardens will arrive to oppose it.

Tell me again how you're not actually declaring war against all raiders. You're putting them in a damned if they do, damned if they don't situation.

As I said, we do not care about what Raiders do, we do not oppose them. We only have war with TBH. If it is the case that TGW outnumbers raiders without the support of TBH, I think it is quite realistic that raiders that seek dialogue with us about that matter, are able to gain the unconditional support of the New Pacific Order for an occupation they are planning if it means long term, that they distance themselves from Souls and his petty crusade against a faction which actually isn't hostile towards raiders, but hostile towards forces that actively oppose it.

So in other words, if they bend to your will and basically surrender their sovereignty to you, you'll throw them a few pilers. How nauseating.

What's really appalling is that defenders are going to actually work with you. I honestly can't understand it.

[Pergamon]

As I said, we do not care about what Raiders do, we do not oppose them. We only have war with TBH. If it is the case that TGW outnumbers raiders without the support of TBH, I think it is quite realistic that raiders that seek dialogue with us about that matter, are able to gain the unconditional support of the New Pacific Order for an occupation they are planning if it means long term, that they distance themselves from Souls and his petty crusade against a faction which actually isn't hostile towards raiders, but hostile towards forces that actively oppose it.

So in other words, if they bend to your will and basically surrender their sovereignty to you, you'll throw them a few pilers. How nauseating.

What's really appalling is that defenders are going to actually work with you. I honestly can't understand it.

Defenders do not work with the NPO. That just always has been the narrative of the other side. I have tried to explain this multiple times, but it appears to me that most of here is actually circlejerking over narratives, people simply believing what they want to believe and nothing else.

[Devi]

Defenders do not work with the NPO.

Loving the historical revisionism here. Ankh Mauta never existed, and any allegations of its liberation with help of the NPO are lies.

[Cormactopia Prime]

So in other words, if they bend to your will and basically surrender their sovereignty to you, you'll throw them a few pilers. How nauseating.

What's really appalling is that defenders are going to actually work with you. I honestly can't understand it.

Defenders do not work with the NPO. That just always has been the narrative of the other side. I have tried to explain this multiple times, but it appears to me that most of here is actually circlejerking over narratives, people simply believing what they want to believe and nothing else.

So you're planning to liberate TBH's raids without the help of any defenders or the SPSF?

[Pergamon]

Defenders do not work with the NPO.

Loving the historical revisionism here. Ankh Mauta never existed, and any allegations of its liberation with help of the NPO are lies.

That was a single operation which dates back to fall 2017.

Defenders do not work with the NPO. That just always has been the narrative of the other side. I have tried to explain this multiple times, but it appears to me that most of here is actually circlejerking over narratives, people simply believing what they want to believe and nothing else.

So you're planning to liberate TBH's raids without the help of any defenders or the SPSF?

If defenders like to, they may call us in on liberations as long as TBH is involved. No other ops. We don't mind joining them in a liberation as long it is against TBH. We do not seek glory, we do not seek credit, we do not seek the lead of those liberations. We only seek to bash TBH. Nothing else.

[Drop Your Pants]

So you're planning to liberate TBH's raids without the help of any defenders or the SPSF?

If Souls is the trigger we won't have to do much

[Devi]

So the narrative's changed from 'defenders don't work with the NPO' to 'Defenders sometimes work with the NPO, but it's not a regular thing, we swear.'
One can see the goalposts slowly creeping away.

[Pergamon]

So the narrative's changed from 'defenders don't work with the NPO' to 'Defenders sometimes work with the NPO, but it's not a regular thing, we swear.'
One can see the goalposts slowly creeping away.

No it didn't. Defenders did not do something with the NPO since Ankh Mauta. We however, due to our state of war with TBH, offer now to join in liberations against this particular organization.

[Armaros]

So the narrative's changed from 'defenders don't work with the NPO' to 'Defenders sometimes work with the NPO, but it's not a regular thing, we swear.'
One can see the goalposts slowly creeping away.

No it didn't. Defenders did not do something with the NPO since Ankh Mauta. We however, due to our state of war with TBH, offer now to join in liberations against this particular organization.

So finally some kind of challenge to TBH? Defenders haven't liberated anything in these past few weeks. A bit more competition, then. How nice of you to make raiding with TBH more interesting.

[Pergamon]

No it didn't. Defenders did not do something with the NPO since Ankh Mauta. We however, due to our state of war with TBH, offer now to join in liberations against this particular organization.

So finally some kind of challenge to TBH? Defenders haven't liberated anything in these past few weeks. A bit more competition, then. How nice of you to make raiding with TBH more interesting.

You are welcome.

[Solorni]

Wow uh, this thread is quite the shitshow.

In the interests of actually understanding what The Pacific's stance is, any chance we'll hear from Emperor Aleisyr? Seems like diplomacy isn't Pergamon's strong suit.

Tell me, why should I bother what you think about the Pacific? Just that you remember, you attacked it.

We are disappointed to see, that the IJCC, which especially includes Europeia has joined this unprovoked against the New Pacific Order. Weeks prior to this, the Pacific received a formal notification from the Europeian Minister of Foreign Affairs that the IJCC and by extension, Europeia, would not attack the New Pacific Order. An agreement has been made, that the Pacific would not disrupt IJCC operations and the IJCC would not attack the New Pacific Order.
Source

It is evident to us now, that Europeia sadly is a region that can no longer be trusted in any capacity. It lacks all of its former credibility as respected diplomatic powerhouse and uses deceit to gain military advantages over an unprepared opponent..

So much about diplomacy. Thank you.

Liberating regions from NPO aggression that we do not view as NPO territory would not have violated this from my perspective. I had even asked if R/D were an exception and was told that the NPO does not do R/D and was not aware that the NPO had a long term hold on a UCR because of a petty grievance.

Secondly, how far will this farce go on before the NPO bring back someone to right the ship? I seem to recall when the NPO made made mistakes with Lazarus that they brought in people to fix it.

[King HEM]

Wow uh, this thread is quite the shitshow.

In the interests of actually understanding what The Pacific's stance is, any chance we'll hear from Emperor Aleisyr? Seems like diplomacy isn't Pergamon's strong suit.

Tell me, why should I bother what you think about the Pacific? Just that you remember, you attacked it.

We are disappointed to see, that the IJCC, which especially includes Europeia has joined this unprovoked against the New Pacific Order. Weeks prior to this, the Pacific received a formal notification from the Europeian Minister of Foreign Affairs that the IJCC and by extension, Europeia, would not attack the New Pacific Order. An agreement has been made, that the Pacific would not disrupt IJCC operations and the IJCC would not attack the New Pacific Order.
Source

It is evident to us now, that Europeia sadly is a region that can no longer be trusted in any capacity. It lacks all of its former credibility as respected diplomatic powerhouse and uses deceit to gain military advantages over an unprepared opponent..

So much about diplomacy. Thank you.

Uh, hm, well er, seeing as I am Europeia's Minister of Foreign Affairs and I don't recall giving you any formal notifications of any kind. I'm not fluent in German, but unless that screenshot is from "months ago" and not "weeks ago" you're a bit lost at sea.

Also seeing that — and this something we've made clear countless times — the IJCC served as a military coordination hub and not an extra-regional government, in no way was the IJCC empowered to diplomatically negotiate for Europeia.

Somehow makes me really wonder whether you're qualified to evaluate Europeia's credibility.

[Colony of Articuno]

Tell me, why should I bother what you think about the Pacific? Just that you remember, you attacked it.

We are disappointed to see, that the IJCC, which especially includes Europeia has joined this unprovoked against the New Pacific Order. Weeks prior to this, the Pacific received a formal notification from the Europeian Minister of Foreign Affairs that the IJCC and by extension, Europeia, would not attack the New Pacific Order. An agreement has been made, that the Pacific would not disrupt IJCC operations and the IJCC would not attack the New Pacific Order.
Source

It is evident to us now, that Europeia sadly is a region that can no longer be trusted in any capacity. It lacks all of its former credibility as respected diplomatic powerhouse and uses deceit to gain military advantages over an unprepared opponent..

So much about diplomacy. Thank you.

Liberating regions from NPO aggression that we do not view as NPO territory would not have violated this from my perspective. I had even asked if R/D were an exception and was told that the NPO does not do R/D and was not aware that the NPO had a long term hold on a UCR because of a petty grievance.

Secondly, how far will this farce go on before the NPO bring back someone to right the ship? I seem to recall when the NPO made made mistakes with Lazarus that they brought in people to fix it.

*coughs* Umm, St Abbadon is a Protectorate of the Order. Would that not fall under a violation of the word given to Pergamon with regards to aggressive actions undertaken against the protectorates of the Order?

Also (heute means today), so those screenshots are taken on the day it was made I imagine. The dates of which are up to Perg to answer

[Solorni]

Liberating regions from NPO aggression that we do not view as NPO territory would not have violated this from my perspective. I had even asked if R/D were an exception and was told that the NPO does not do R/D and was not aware that the NPO had a long term hold on a UCR because of a petty grievance.

Secondly, how far will this farce go on before the NPO bring back someone to right the ship? I seem to recall when the NPO made made mistakes with Lazarus that they brought in people to fix it.

*coughs* Umm, St Abbadon is a Protectorate of the Order. Would that not fall under a violation of the word given to Pergamon with regards to aggressive actions undertaken against the protectorates of the Order?

Also (heute means today), so those screenshots are taken on the day it was made I imagine. The dates of which are up to Perg to answer

I was not aware that the NPO had taken control of St. Abbaddon and specifically asked if the NPO considered R/D as violating this. I was told the NPO did not participate in R/D so I assumed that meant europeia would not invade the the Pacific. I would not have thought this extended to a founderless UCR very few consider legitimately NPO.

[Colony of Articuno]

*coughs* Umm, St Abbadon is a Protectorate of the Order. Would that not fall under a violation of the word given to Pergamon with regards to aggressive actions undertaken against the protectorates of the Order?

Also (heute means today), so those screenshots are taken on the day it was made I imagine. The dates of which are up to Perg to answer

I was not aware that the NPO had taken control of St. Abbaddon and specifically asked if the NPO considered R/D as violating this. I was told the NPO did not participate in R/D so I assumed that meant europeia would not invade the the Pacific. I would not have thought this extended to a founderless UCR very few consider legitimately NPO.

Well, St. Abbaddon's WFE states clearly they are a protectorate of the Order and we have defended the region from time to time. Our history of action points to that. While we do not participate in R/D, Pergamon asks for clarity given the IJCC's position regarding aggressive actions against specifically and I quote," the Pacific, and its respective territories and protectorates." That is a very clear quote and given that the natives of the St Abbaddon have accepted our protection for months, outside of Topid, it is fair to imagine we would defend them to the best of our abilities. To feign ignorance when our Consul has made it clear in his discussions, is on you. He made it clear in his requests, aggressive action was still taken and here we are. If your position is to ignore his clear communication, fair, but thats not on us, thats on you.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

Casus belli is not claiming “victimization.” The Pacific provoked this war. Say the on-again, off-again denials from some Emperors and retired Emperors, the often-backtracked claims that such were never sanctioned by the top and were instead committed by rouge subordinates like yourself, are true....by undoing all of the meaningful consequences/actions tied to our diplomacy and promoting those it once declared to be insubordinate and not able to be trusted with command back into positions of high leadership, The Pacific has endorsed their pattern of aggressive behavior against The Black Hawks. This served as cause aplenty for us to act.

TBH may have struck “first” in an open and unashamed manner, with full authorization from the top, but it comes as a result of secret state of war long since begun by The Pacific. If this is what you sought to provoke with your meddling, then congratulations - it worked. And either those above you support it, or they got played themselves. Either way, we’re long since tired of kissing up to TP to gain concessions from unwarranted aggression that only last a few months tops.

You know, you are the aggressor of this conflict. You are positively unable in this situation, to point yourself out as the party that has been attacked without any provocation. The only people buying that poor story are the people that benefit from joining you on your crusade against the New Pacific Order.

You keep saying that, then I keep citing how The Pacific has been attacking TBH going back quite some time with TBH seeking diplomatic resolution that ultimately fails. And then you just say it again, sourceless, baseless. Do you think the world is like the NPO itself, full of sycophants who will take your lies at face value?

You are talking about an event that happened 3 years ago. I am talking about an event that happened just now. I think your point is a bit stretched.

I hear just now, last month, you ordered more spying on us. But nope, TBH is the aggressors.

We are not openly hostile to raiders. As a matter of fact we usually would not care what they do, since our worlds technically do not collide. Some factions however made it be this way, by openly raising flag against the New Pacific Order and in the case of your org: By annexing a GCR. We declared war upon TBH, not raiderdom. And other raider orgs may continue their business uninterrupted by us, we will exclusively be out to ruin the operations of TBH. Nothing else.

Your "world" has collided with our every time you've ordered espionage and attacks against us going back months. Your faction made it "this way" - "some factions" decided to stop taking it lying down and make a stand. If you'll do this to TBH without reason, then you'll do it to any other raider group on your radar, if you haven't already. Unless, of course...

one giant united block under the lordship of Ever Wandering Souls, thank you.

If all raiders act as unified block under the wise rule of Ever Wandering Souls

this crusade of Souls

...it was never about TBH. Unless, it has all been about Pergamon using the NPO to execute his personal grudges, and dragging them into conflict through it. Or mayb the narrative of "Souls is bad" is just tried, tested, and true, and the top of the government did back you through singling us out. Either way. Never mind the fact that I am but one vote on council. Never mind that I don't have near the authority to start a war on my lonesome. Never mind that you acted repeatedly against *all* of my regionmates. Never mind that Koth's done more legwork in regards to St Abby than me probably. Sorry, I don't really have a shred of the power you're trying to attribute to me. Maybe that's how things work in the NPO - do you rule it such, despite not being emperor? ...but it's not how things work over in TBH. I'm not even the highest ranked council member. Jakker is senior to me, and Council Chairman.

Honestly, it'd be a real dick move of me to try and claim all the credit. Please give everyone else their due

[Jakker]

You know, you are the aggressor of this conflict. You are positively unable in this situation, to point yourself out as the party that has been attacked without any provocation. The only people buying that poor story are the people that benefit from joining you on your crusade against the New Pacific Order.

Come on, Perg. I'm disappointed in you and TP. Ever since you all failed with NLO, you all try to plea ignorance to everything or that you all aren't doing anything against people. This whole show you try to pull of being this sad puppy dog that other regions wrong isn't something that I'd think TP would want to identify as, but I guess you prove otherwise. When you keep pulling these stunts just own up to it and embrace it. Owning it actually makes you relevant.

TBH was more than happy to try to raid St. Abbaddon. Everything you say just proves that it is worth it since we apparently hurt your feelings so much. It seems pretty easy to do so though.

[Killer Kitty]

I'm honestly not sure what the NPO leadership thinks their going to get out of openly declaring war on The Black Hawks. No raider is going to reject TBH in favor of the backstabbing NPO regime that has done nothing but betray it's allies whenever convenient. And I'm sure there are many in the GCRs that would relish an opportunity for the NPO to violate their regional sovereignty, just so they can break with NPO fomally and official, and with a good excuse at that.

And how long is this going to go on for? Until TBH are "defeated"? Please. NPO doesn't have the command ability to keep up with TBH in the field, nevermind actually win a war against them. If it were so easy, defenders would have done it years ago.

Seems like Pergamon really bit off more than he can chew on this one. This will be a source of embarrassment for the NPO for years to come.

[Kavagrad]

I'm honestly not sure what the NPO leadership thinks their going to get out of openly declaring war on The Black Hawks. No raider is going to reject TBH in favor of the backstabbing NPO regime that has done nothing but betray it's allies whenever convenient. And I'm sure there are many in the GCRs that would relish an opportunity for the NPO to violate their regional sovereignty, just so they can break with NPO fomally and official, and with a good excuse at that.

And how long is this going to go on for? Until TBH are "defeated"? Please. NPO doesn't have the command ability to keep up with TBH in the field, nevermind actually win a war against them. If it were so easy, defenders would have done it years ago.

Seems like Pergamon really bit off more than he can chew on this one. This will be a source of embarrassment for the NPO for years to come.

Very much this. I don't buy for a second that this was a declaration made out of principle, which begs the question: What is the aim here?

If it's to try and intimidate the raider community, they're clearly not achieving that. To destroy TBH? Please.

I guess we'll find out. Whatever the case, I see this backfiring hilariously horrendously.