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by Syberis » Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:18 pm
Zaolat wrote:WHO THE F*** IS SYBERIS
by Pergamon » Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:53 pm
by Lord Dominator » Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:06 pm
by Tim-Opolis » Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:08 pm
Onder Kelkia wrote:This information has been obtained through a security flaw in Tapatalks which saw classified threads captured and cached by Google bots.
<Koth - 06/30/2020> I mean as far as GPers go, Tim is one of the most iconic
by Mr Bubbly » Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:12 pm
Syberis wrote:So is Balder's stance that their treaty violation and espionage in regards to TNP is somehow mitigated because it was done behind closed doors?
by Consular » Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:20 pm
Aexnidaral wrote:I'll be honest and say that I don't really care about things like this. It's great for kicking back and seeing who spilled what tea where, but... I'd wager that pretty much every single one of us has said some pretty shitty things about each other / other regions / our allies in private conversations (Discord/Forumside) when we're frustrated -- especially since so many of us have hot heads and outsized egos. I wonder if more Regions will/have been effected by something like this because of Tapatalk. Maybe we should just call it a draw. There's a lot of feigned outrage here from some people insinuating that Balder is doing something they've never done. Oh my stars! lol, I think we need to have a reality check and admit we're all guilty of having done this to each other. Nobody is innocent.
by Ambrella » Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:24 pm
Consular wrote:Aexnidaral wrote:I'll be honest and say that I don't really care about things like this. It's great for kicking back and seeing who spilled what tea where, but... I'd wager that pretty much every single one of us has said some pretty shitty things about each other / other regions / our allies in private conversations (Discord/Forumside) when we're frustrated -- especially since so many of us have hot heads and outsized egos. I wonder if more Regions will/have been effected by something like this because of Tapatalk. Maybe we should just call it a draw. There's a lot of feigned outrage here from some people insinuating that Balder is doing something they've never done. Oh my stars! lol, I think we need to have a reality check and admit we're all guilty of having done this to each other. Nobody is innocent.
Really? I remember Europeia throwing a minor tantrum about things like this in the past. But I guess Balder gets a free pass?
by The Tri State Area and Maine » Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:31 pm
Ambrella wrote:Consular wrote:Really? I remember Europeia throwing a minor tantrum about things like this in the past. But I guess Balder gets a free pass?
Aside from harsh words about particular members, none of this really surprised me. I know that Balder's government will not always agree with Europeia's decisions and vice versa. It's natural to vent frustrations or hold private discussions about responses.
We already admitted we botched the IJCC/Osiris situation.
by Ambrella » Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:34 pm
The Tri State Area and Maine wrote:Ambrella wrote:Aside from harsh words about particular members, none of this really surprised me. I know that Balder's government will not always agree with Europeia's decisions and vice versa. It's natural to vent frustrations or hold private discussions about responses.
We already admitted we botched the IJCC/Osiris situation.
But what about Balder committing espionage against TNP, a treatied ally of Europeia?
by Blight-Bane » Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:47 pm
Ambrella wrote:I know that Balder's government will not always agree with Europeia's decisions and vice versa.
by Aexnidaral » Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:06 pm
Ambrella wrote:Blight-Bane wrote:In the context of the posted screenshots, Onder characterized that as 'ethical' nonsense.
Rather than make hay here, we've discussed it privately and moved on. That's how allies handle such matters responsibly, even though it means less theater for everyone here to enjoy.
by Blight-Bane » Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:08 pm
Ambrella wrote:Rather than make hay here, we've discussed it privately and moved on. That's how allies handle such matters responsibly, even though it means less theater for everyone here to enjoy.
by Ambrella » Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:11 pm
Aexnidaral wrote:Ambrella wrote:Rather than make hay here, we've discussed it privately and moved on. That's how allies handle such matters responsibly, even though it means less theater for everyone here to enjoy.
No, Sopo, you've got to fan yourself and faint out of shock. You're doing this wrong! Make hay!
by Cormactopia Prime » Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:35 pm
Ambrella wrote:Blight-Bane wrote:In the context of the posted screenshots, Onder characterized that as 'ethical' nonsense.
Rather than make hay here, we've discussed it privately and moved on. That's how allies handle such matters responsibly, even though it means less theater for everyone here to enjoy.
by Ambrella » Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:41 pm
Cormactopia Prime wrote:Ambrella wrote:Rather than make hay here, we've discussed it privately and moved on. That's how allies handle such matters responsibly, even though it means less theater for everyone here to enjoy.
Are you implying that any of your allies who prefer to handle diplomatic situations transparently and in public view are handling matters irresponsibly?
by Cormactopia Prime » Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:46 pm
Ambrella wrote:Cormactopia Prime wrote:Are you implying that any of your allies who prefer to handle diplomatic situations transparently and in public view are handling matters irresponsibly?
A bit of a different situation given the miscommunication and that the discussion was already ongoing in public. There are certainly occasions where it is appropriate to conduct business publicly, I don't see this as one of them. Given the sensitive nature of the information exposed, it seemed wiser to address privately, rather than giving OP the type of fight they were probably looking for.
by King HEM » Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:02 pm
Cormactopia Prime wrote:Ambrella wrote:
A bit of a different situation given the miscommunication and that the discussion was already ongoing in public. There are certainly occasions where it is appropriate to conduct business publicly, I don't see this as one of them. Given the sensitive nature of the information exposed, it seemed wiser to address privately, rather than giving OP the type of fight they were probably looking for.
I mean, okay. You could fight for the dignity of your region and stand up for its principles, which Onder labeled nonsense, regardless of what the OP is or isn't looking for. Europeia could recognize what a lousy ally Onder has been for years now, look at how he's treated other close allies like Albion, and stop being held back by the constraints Onder puts on what Europeia can do diplomatically. But I realize how un-Europeian all of that would be.
I guess I just wonder how much more of your sphere Onder has to tear down, how many more alliances he has to wreck, before someone decides it's enough.
by Ambrella » Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:09 pm
Cormactopia Prime wrote:Ambrella wrote:
A bit of a different situation given the miscommunication and that the discussion was already ongoing in public. There are certainly occasions where it is appropriate to conduct business publicly, I don't see this as one of them. Given the sensitive nature of the information exposed, it seemed wiser to address privately, rather than giving OP the type of fight they were probably looking for.
I mean, okay. You could fight for the dignity of your region and stand up for its principles, which Onder labeled nonsense, regardless of what the OP is or isn't looking for. Europeia could recognize what a lousy ally Onder has been for years now, look at how he's treated other close allies like Albion, and stop being held back by the constraints Onder puts on what Europeia can do diplomatically. But I realize how un-Europeian all of that would be.
I guess I just wonder how much more of your sphere Onder has to tear down, how many more alliances he has to wreck, before someone decides it's enough.
by China Muslim Hand-Pulled Noodle » Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:27 pm
by Lord Dominator » Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:40 pm
by The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:06 am
Kyorgia wrote:Come on someone do something funny with this
by Consular » Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:27 am
Ambrella wrote:Europeia has had the same ethical guidelines for raiding for years. Onder calling them "nonsense" doesn't negate our commitment to those rules, which you'll notice we still have, despite Onder's objection (which he is entitled to).
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