Balder After Dark

[Syberis]

So is Balder's stance that their treaty violation and espionage in regards to TNP is somehow mitigated because it was done behind closed doors?

[Kyorgia]

Come on someone do something funny with this

[Pergamon]

Come on someone do something funny with this

Done.

[Lord Dominator]

Come on someone do something funny with this

Done.

Excellent

[Tim-Opolis]

This information has been obtained through a security flaw in Tapatalks which saw classified threads captured and cached by Google bots.

Tapatalk: the gift that keeps on giving

[Mr Bubbly]

So is Balder's stance that their treaty violation and espionage in regards to TNP is somehow mitigated because it was done behind closed doors?

I seriously doubt they even care. Somehow this will be twisted so Onder and Rach are seem like the victims.

[Consular]

I'll be honest and say that I don't really care about things like this. It's great for kicking back and seeing who spilled what tea where, but... I'd wager that pretty much every single one of us has said some pretty shitty things about each other / other regions / our allies in private conversations (Discord/Forumside) when we're frustrated -- especially since so many of us have hot heads and outsized egos. I wonder if more Regions will/have been effected by something like this because of Tapatalk. Maybe we should just call it a draw. There's a lot of feigned outrage here from some people insinuating that Balder is doing something they've never done. Oh my stars! lol, I think we need to have a reality check and admit we're all guilty of having done this to each other. Nobody is innocent.

Really? I remember Europeia throwing a minor tantrum about things like this in the past. But I guess Balder gets a free pass?

[Ambrella]

I'll be honest and say that I don't really care about things like this. It's great for kicking back and seeing who spilled what tea where, but... I'd wager that pretty much every single one of us has said some pretty shitty things about each other / other regions / our allies in private conversations (Discord/Forumside) when we're frustrated -- especially since so many of us have hot heads and outsized egos. I wonder if more Regions will/have been effected by something like this because of Tapatalk. Maybe we should just call it a draw. There's a lot of feigned outrage here from some people insinuating that Balder is doing something they've never done. Oh my stars! lol, I think we need to have a reality check and admit we're all guilty of having done this to each other. Nobody is innocent.

Really? I remember Europeia throwing a minor tantrum about things like this in the past. But I guess Balder gets a free pass?

Aside from harsh words about particular members, none of this really surprised me. I know that Balder's government will not always agree with Europeia's decisions and vice versa. It's natural to vent frustrations or hold private discussions about responses.

We already admitted we botched the IJCC/Osiris situation.

[The Tri State Area and Maine]

Really? I remember Europeia throwing a minor tantrum about things like this in the past. But I guess Balder gets a free pass?

Aside from harsh words about particular members, none of this really surprised me. I know that Balder's government will not always agree with Europeia's decisions and vice versa. It's natural to vent frustrations or hold private discussions about responses.

We already admitted we botched the IJCC/Osiris situation.

But what about Balder committing espionage against TNP, a treatied ally of Europeia?

[Ambrella]

Aside from harsh words about particular members, none of this really surprised me. I know that Balder's government will not always agree with Europeia's decisions and vice versa. It's natural to vent frustrations or hold private discussions about responses.

We already admitted we botched the IJCC/Osiris situation.

But what about Balder committing espionage against TNP, a treatied ally of Europeia?

To be clear, I was referring solely to references to Europeia and our officials. I would defer to TNP on any topics relating to them.

[Blight-Bane]

I know that Balder's government will not always agree with Europeia's decisions and vice versa.

In the context of the posted screenshots, Onder characterized that as 'ethical' nonsense.

[Ambrella]

I know that Balder's government will not always agree with Europeia's decisions and vice versa.

In the context of the posted screenshots, Onder characterized that as 'ethical' nonsense.

Rather than make hay here, we've discussed it privately and moved on. That's how allies handle such matters responsibly, even though it means less theater for everyone here to enjoy.

[Aexnidaral]

In the context of the posted screenshots, Onder characterized that as 'ethical' nonsense.

Rather than make hay here, we've discussed it privately and moved on. That's how allies handle such matters responsibly, even though it means less theater for everyone here to enjoy.

No, Sopo, you've got to fan yourself and faint out of shock. You're doing this wrong! Make hay!

[Blight-Bane]

Rather than make hay here, we've discussed it privately and moved on. That's how allies handle such matters responsibly, even though it means less theater for everyone here to enjoy.

I'll consider it swept then.

[Cosmopolitan borovan]

damn title

[Ambrella]

Rather than make hay here, we've discussed it privately and moved on. That's how allies handle such matters responsibly, even though it means less theater for everyone here to enjoy.

No, Sopo, you've got to fan yourself and faint out of shock. You're doing this wrong! Make hay!

Neigh.

[Cormactopia Prime]

In the context of the posted screenshots, Onder characterized that as 'ethical' nonsense.

Rather than make hay here, we've discussed it privately and moved on. That's how allies handle such matters responsibly, even though it means less theater for everyone here to enjoy.

Are you implying that any of your allies who prefer to handle diplomatic situations transparently and in public view are handling matters irresponsibly?

For the record, diplomatic situations between regions have until recently always been handled publicly. You can try to pretend it has been normative for gameplay diplomacy to only involve backroom dealings between a handful of people all you want, but that has never been the case. The public nature of gameplay diplomacy is what has kept this game interesting for everyone playing it rather than the tiny handful of people at the top of each region.

Still waiting for Balder to say anything at all about its espionage against TNP, by the way.

[Ambrella]

Rather than make hay here, we've discussed it privately and moved on. That's how allies handle such matters responsibly, even though it means less theater for everyone here to enjoy.

Are you implying that any of your allies who prefer to handle diplomatic situations transparently and in public view are handling matters irresponsibly?

A bit of a different situation given the miscommunication and that the discussion was already ongoing in public. There are certainly occasions where it is appropriate to conduct business publicly, I don't see this as one of them. Given the sensitive nature of the information exposed, it seemed wiser to address privately, rather than giving OP the type of fight they were probably looking for.

[Cormactopia Prime]

Are you implying that any of your allies who prefer to handle diplomatic situations transparently and in public view are handling matters irresponsibly?

A bit of a different situation given the miscommunication and that the discussion was already ongoing in public. There are certainly occasions where it is appropriate to conduct business publicly, I don't see this as one of them. Given the sensitive nature of the information exposed, it seemed wiser to address privately, rather than giving OP the type of fight they were probably looking for.

I mean, okay. You could fight for the dignity of your region and stand up for its principles, which Onder labeled nonsense, regardless of what the OP is or isn't looking for. Europeia could recognize what a lousy ally Onder has been for years now, look at how he's treated other close allies like Albion, and stop being held back by the constraints Onder puts on what Europeia can do diplomatically. But I realize how un-Europeian all of that would be.

I guess I just wonder how much more of your sphere Onder has to tear down, how many more alliances he has to wreck, before someone decides it's enough.

[King HEM]

A bit of a different situation given the miscommunication and that the discussion was already ongoing in public. There are certainly occasions where it is appropriate to conduct business publicly, I don't see this as one of them. Given the sensitive nature of the information exposed, it seemed wiser to address privately, rather than giving OP the type of fight they were probably looking for.

I mean, okay. You could fight for the dignity of your region and stand up for its principles, which Onder labeled nonsense, regardless of what the OP is or isn't looking for. Europeia could recognize what a lousy ally Onder has been for years now, look at how he's treated other close allies like Albion, and stop being held back by the constraints Onder puts on what Europeia can do diplomatically. But I realize how un-Europeian all of that would be.

I guess I just wonder how much more of your sphere Onder has to tear down, how many more alliances he has to wreck, before someone decides it's enough.

Cormac: “Europeia has to throw a fit in public to stand up for its principles.”

Amazingly, that would be the exact thing that would benefit him and his sphere! What a surprise! What a coincidence! Lmfao brb laughing so hard I’m dying.

Dude give it a rest about your big speeches about what other regions should do. Amazingly, Europeia has lasted in the years since your middling performance as one of our Senators, and I imagine we will somehow go on without your sage foreign policy wisdom that only coincidently advocates actions in your personal best interest.

Xoxo

[Ambrella]

A bit of a different situation given the miscommunication and that the discussion was already ongoing in public. There are certainly occasions where it is appropriate to conduct business publicly, I don't see this as one of them. Given the sensitive nature of the information exposed, it seemed wiser to address privately, rather than giving OP the type of fight they were probably looking for.

I mean, okay. You could fight for the dignity of your region and stand up for its principles, which Onder labeled nonsense, regardless of what the OP is or isn't looking for. Europeia could recognize what a lousy ally Onder has been for years now, look at how he's treated other close allies like Albion, and stop being held back by the constraints Onder puts on what Europeia can do diplomatically. But I realize how un-Europeian all of that would be.

I guess I just wonder how much more of your sphere Onder has to tear down, how many more alliances he has to wreck, before someone decides it's enough.

Europeia has had the same ethical guidelines for raiding for years. Onder calling them "nonsense" doesn't negate our commitment to those rules, which you'll notice we still have, despite Onder's objection (which he is entitled to).

As for the "constraints" put upon us by Onder, I can assure you that such constraints do not exist. We make decisions aligned with our own interests. Sometimes those are the same decisions Onder would make, sometimes not. But we respect and value Balder far too much as an ally to do them the disservice of turning on them in gameplay after they were the subject of an anonymous leak. Am I thrilled to see some of these comments? No, but I'm sure Onder, Rach, and others would feel the same way if they saw things I've said about them privately in the past. We all have our moments. Everything in there about Europeia, barring, as I said, the more colorful comments, was already made known to us.

Insofar as Europeia is concerned, Balder has addressed our concerns, and I've said as much here. Other regions are welcome to handle such situations differently.

[China Muslim Hand-Pulled Noodle]

Meanwhile, in the overwhelming majority of NS regions:

[Lord Dominator]

Meanwhile, in the overwhelming majority of NS regions:

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And...?

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Come on someone do something funny with this

0/10 not enough flying toasters in this thread

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Beacuse, after dark? Get it? Like the screen saver?

[Consular]

Europeia has had the same ethical guidelines for raiding for years. Onder calling them "nonsense" doesn't negate our commitment to those rules, which you'll notice we still have, despite Onder's objection (which he is entitled to).

Do you really still have them? Was it not decided that the IJCC overrided your rules? Isn't that the "compromise" that was reached after the Osiris mess?