by Estonland » Sun Oct 28, 2018 12:59 am
by Wabbitslayah » Sun Oct 28, 2018 1:04 am
by Indo-Malaysia » Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:36 am
by Armaros » Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:24 am
by Estonland » Sun Oct 28, 2018 8:13 am
Armaros wrote:How come I don't believe you have cleared out your trash yet? Not only did you allow people to make that kind of comments, you even let them make those comments in your channels, without any intervention. What was said in those logs should have had immediate consequences: ban, apology to the rest of NS and those hurt, stricter rules etc. Not "they're just jokes leave us be". I will only believe KR has changed when every officer that was there has left, which includes your founder, who didn't act on it immediatley as he should have.
And, last but not least, your bastardized mix of English and German
by The Australian Animals » Sun Oct 28, 2018 8:59 am
by Prydania » Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:09 am
by Armaros » Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:14 am
Estonland wrote:I'll respond to your comments
1)We did apologise. This was a letter of apology
2)The people who have made those comments left with their own accord. They're not citizens of Kaiserreich anymore, as such banning them would be unnecessary.
3)The Kaiser had no way of acting on it, as he was on active military duty with extremely limited access to Discord and NS.
4)The new Imperial Civil Code which will be published after the elections has a clause that bans the promotion and propaganda of totalitarian and racist ideologies within the Empire.
EDIT: Well we are a Germanic-themed region...so there's nothing as natural as us using some German terms
by Estonland » Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:21 am
Armaros wrote:Estonland wrote:I'll respond to your comments
1)We did apologise. This was a letter of apology
2)The people who have made those comments left with their own accord. They're not citizens of Kaiserreich anymore, as such banning them would be unnecessary.
3)The Kaiser had no way of acting on it, as he was on active military duty with extremely limited access to Discord and NS.
4)The new Imperial Civil Code which will be published after the elections has a clause that bans the promotion and propaganda of totalitarian and racist ideologies within the Empire.
EDIT: Well we are a Germanic-themed region...so there's nothing as natural as us using some German terms
1) Why is that apology only now? It should have happened immediatley
2) You mean you didn't want to ban them and just waited for them to leave? Good god, they should have been banned when those comments were made.
3) Fair I guess.
4) A good action
Aye, you're a German themed region, so why not learn actual German?
Over all, I still won't look at you in a positive light. Maybe over time you will actually prove you've changed.
The Australian Animals wrote:You guys should have seen degeneracy and dealt with the earlier. The fact that a majority of the NS community viewed you as fascists should have tipped you off that maybe some of your members were of the questionable variety. The leadership of KR should have dealt with the problem swiftly so that it didn’t accumulate into the mess it is today. And as Armaros said, the only way I’ll truly look at KR in a different and positive light so when the former administration (including founder) resigns and leaves the region.
by Armaros » Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:31 am
Estonland wrote:There was no chance for them to be banned, as they held all executive offices except for the throne of the Kaiser. Now that they've resigned everything(including citizenship) they have no power inside Kaiserreich.
Oh I don't expect people to like us overnight. This is just our first step to vow that we've changed.
by Estonland » Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:33 am
Armaros wrote:Estonland wrote:There was no chance for them to be banned, as they held all executive offices except for the throne of the Kaiser. Now that they've resigned everything(including citizenship) they have no power inside Kaiserreich.
Oh I don't expect people to like us overnight. This is just our first step to vow that we've changed.
...They all held executive offices? Don't you people have rules which officers need to keep themselves to?
by The Australian Animals » Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:33 am
Estonland wrote:Armaros wrote:1) Why is that apology only now? It should have happened immediatley
2) You mean you didn't want to ban them and just waited for them to leave? Good god, they should have been banned when those comments were made.
3) Fair I guess.
4) A good action
Aye, you're a German themed region, so why not learn actual German?
Over all, I still won't look at you in a positive light. Maybe over time you will actually prove you've changed.
There was no chance for them to be banned, as they held all executive offices except for the throne of the Kaiser. Now that they've resigned everything(including citizenship) they have no power inside Kaiserreich.
Oh I don't expect people to like us overnight. This is just our first step to vow that we've changed.The Australian Animals wrote:You guys should have seen degeneracy and dealt with the earlier. The fact that a majority of the NS community viewed you as fascists should have tipped you off that maybe some of your members were of the questionable variety. The leadership of KR should have dealt with the problem swiftly so that it didn’t accumulate into the mess it is today. And as Armaros said, the only way I’ll truly look at KR in a different and positive light so when the former administration (including founder) resigns and leaves the region.
The Kaiser had no active authority over the fascist apologists, as such I do not see a reason why he should leave. As I said above, there was nobody with the necessary authority to deal with the degeneracy. Again and again the old administration have resigned citizenship, meaning they're legally foreigners.
by Estonland » Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:42 am
The Australian Animals wrote:Estonland wrote:There was no chance for them to be banned, as they held all executive offices except for the throne of the Kaiser. Now that they've resigned everything(including citizenship) they have no power inside Kaiserreich.
Oh I don't expect people to like us overnight. This is just our first step to vow that we've changed.
The Kaiser had no active authority over the fascist apologists, as such I do not see a reason why he should leave. As I said above, there was nobody with the necessary authority to deal with the degeneracy. Again and again the old administration have resigned citizenship, meaning they're legally foreigners.
He did have the authority of border control didn’t he? Or communications? Simple suppression of RMB posts and discord messages would have sufficed. Just because no can can technically deal with a problem, doesn’t mean you shouldn’t take steps to deal with it. I guess my main issue is that the problem took this long to correct instead of a quick response, and that some people who were involved with the mess (indirectly and directly) are still with the region.
by Armaros » Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:52 am
Estonland wrote:The Australian Animals wrote:He did have the authority of border control didn’t he? Or communications? Simple suppression of RMB posts and discord messages would have sufficed. Just because no can can technically deal with a problem, doesn’t mean you shouldn’t take steps to deal with it. I guess my main issue is that the problem took this long to correct instead of a quick response, and that some people who were involved with the mess (indirectly and directly) are still with the region.
1)The Kaiser was on active military duty. He had extremely limited access to internet, as such I do not think he could have devoted the necessary time to anything except simple posts not to CTE.
2)They are in the region but they're legal aliens and have no political rights.
by Estonland » Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:59 am
Armaros wrote:Estonland wrote:1)The Kaiser was on active military duty. He had extremely limited access to internet, as such I do not think he could have devoted the necessary time to anything except simple posts not to CTE.
2)They are in the region but they're legal aliens and have no political rights.
If you're truly trying to change you ban them. The things they said are unacceptable. Every sensible region would have banned them already. The fact you allow them to remain in the region says quite a lot about your "change".
by Queen Yuno » Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:42 am
by Tim-Opolis » Sun Oct 28, 2018 12:27 pm
<Koth - 06/30/2020> I mean as far as GPers go, Tim is one of the most iconic
by Blood Wine » Sun Oct 28, 2018 12:36 pm
Tim-Opolis wrote:Bunch of big words without any action to back them up.
Actually remove every Nazi from your region, and then you might have a case to plead.
Elke and Elba wrote:Well Mall, you want Haven? I'd want your Joint Systems Alliance badge, then.
Discoveria wrote:Port blood is a raider through and through. Honest.
Tim-Opolis wrote:The Salt Mines will be fueled for months by the tears of silly fascists.
[4:27 PM] Antigone: Port Blood = Gameplay JesusSedgistan wrote:Attempted threadjack on sandwiches and satanism removed.
by Imperium of Josh » Sun Oct 28, 2018 12:47 pm
by Tim-Opolis » Sun Oct 28, 2018 12:49 pm
<Koth - 06/30/2020> I mean as far as GPers go, Tim is one of the most iconic
by Estonland » Sun Oct 28, 2018 12:49 pm
Tim-Opolis wrote:Bunch of big words without any action to back them up.
Actually remove every Nazi from your region, and then you might have a case to plead.
by Estonland » Sun Oct 28, 2018 12:50 pm
Imperium of Josh wrote:Frankly if you want a change of things, found a new region and move on. And that time around, have some good rules that get enforced well.
I highly doubt this announcement means much if you refuse to even ban toxic elements. Most of NS likely thinks the same. Soooo... gl XD
by Imperium of Josh » Sun Oct 28, 2018 1:16 pm
Estonland wrote:Imperium of Josh wrote:Frankly if you want a change of things, found a new region and move on. And that time around, have some good rules that get enforced well.
I highly doubt this announcement means much if you refuse to even ban toxic elements. Most of NS likely thinks the same. Soooo... gl XD
I'm refusing to ban them because there is no point in doing so. They've resigned citizenship, they're no longer citizens and have made it clear to us that they're not returning to KR.
by Blood Wine » Sun Oct 28, 2018 2:23 pm
Elke and Elba wrote:Well Mall, you want Haven? I'd want your Joint Systems Alliance badge, then.
Discoveria wrote:Port blood is a raider through and through. Honest.
Tim-Opolis wrote:The Salt Mines will be fueled for months by the tears of silly fascists.
[4:27 PM] Antigone: Port Blood = Gameplay JesusSedgistan wrote:Attempted threadjack on sandwiches and satanism removed.
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