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KAISERREICH Message of Truth and Reconciliation

Postby Estonland » Sun Oct 28, 2018 12:59 am

Foreign Dignitaries, Citizens of Kaiserreich, Esteemed Representatives of the NS World and Nobility
This post is intended to serve as a message of truth and reconcillation, which will hopefully make us admit our past mistakes and come to terms with other respectable regions of the NS World.
Firstly and foremostly, we have to come to terms with the sympathies, comments and views of several old members of the region, all of whom have left. As much as I respect these men on a personal level, it is an undeniable fact that while they were not fascists, they were apologists for it. For we must come to terms with it, that our region had been run by fascist sympathisers for a long period. Sympathy towards fascism is as dangerous as fascism itself.
Secondly, it must be acknowledged that citizens were routinely abused by those in power until their emancipation by the new Constitution and the Kaiser's personal intervention. I, on the behalf of the government, extend my personal apology to Erickt, Galskia and Risen Prussia. The abuse directed towards you, some of it sadly by me or my officers, will not be repeated.
Thirdly, while the Kaiser's seat is unquestionable the problems of the old autocratic system must be admitted. Until the approval of the new Codex, citizens had no way of representing themselves or their views in the Reichstag, which was almost achieved earlier with the failed county system. For censorship was running high by the likes of Scheinenland with his immense ego, and Apostate with a failed religious inquisition.
Last but not least, it is important to look ahead to the future and not dwell in past mistakes. The Empire has learnt from its past, and it is prepared for the future. Rule of law as well as democracy has been established, and we are ready to thrive in a new age among the democratic and equal regions of NationStates. Let this new era for Kaiserreich be one of progress and friendship with others.
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Postby Wabbitslayah » Sun Oct 28, 2018 1:04 am

or just finally put the region to bed and move onto something else new.
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Postby Indo-Malaysia » Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:36 am

Haven't we already heard this in some form or another?
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Postby Armaros » Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:24 am

How come I don't believe you have cleared out your trash yet? Not only did you allow people to make that kind of comments, you even let them make those comments in your channels, without any intervention. What was said in those logs should have had immediate consequences: ban, apology to the rest of NS and those hurt, stricter rules etc. Not "they're just jokes leave us be". I will only believe KR has changed when every officer that was there has left, which includes your founder, who didn't act on it immediatley as he should have.

And, last but not least, your bastardized mix of English and German :p
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Postby Estonland » Sun Oct 28, 2018 8:13 am

Armaros wrote:How come I don't believe you have cleared out your trash yet? Not only did you allow people to make that kind of comments, you even let them make those comments in your channels, without any intervention. What was said in those logs should have had immediate consequences: ban, apology to the rest of NS and those hurt, stricter rules etc. Not "they're just jokes leave us be". I will only believe KR has changed when every officer that was there has left, which includes your founder, who didn't act on it immediatley as he should have.

And, last but not least, your bastardized mix of English and German :p

I'll respond to your comments
1)We did apologise. This was a letter of apology
2)The people who have made those comments left with their own accord. They're not citizens of Kaiserreich anymore, as such banning them would be unnecessary.
3)The Kaiser had no way of acting on it, as he was on active military duty with extremely limited access to Discord and NS.
4)The new Imperial Civil Code which will be published after the elections has a clause that bans the promotion and propaganda of totalitarian and racist ideologies within the Empire.
EDIT: Well we are a Germanic-themed region...so there's nothing as natural as us using some German terms
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Postby The Australian Animals » Sun Oct 28, 2018 8:59 am

You guys should have seen degeneracy and dealt with the earlier. The fact that a majority of the NS community viewed you as fascists should have tipped you off that maybe some of your members were of the questionable variety. The leadership of KR should have dealt with the problem swiftly so that it didn’t accumulate into the mess it is today. And as Armaros said, the only way I’ll truly look at KR in a different and positive light so when the former administration (including founder) resigns and leaves the region.
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Postby Prydania » Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:09 am

I’m willing to give KREICH a chance, but it’ll be a while. An apology, and admitting that problems occurred, is a good first step. I hope that, in time, KREICH proves that it really has cleaned itself up. I would very much like to see that.

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Postby Armaros » Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:14 am

Estonland wrote:I'll respond to your comments
1)We did apologise. This was a letter of apology
2)The people who have made those comments left with their own accord. They're not citizens of Kaiserreich anymore, as such banning them would be unnecessary.
3)The Kaiser had no way of acting on it, as he was on active military duty with extremely limited access to Discord and NS.
4)The new Imperial Civil Code which will be published after the elections has a clause that bans the promotion and propaganda of totalitarian and racist ideologies within the Empire.
EDIT: Well we are a Germanic-themed region...so there's nothing as natural as us using some German terms

1) Why is that apology only now? It should have happened immediatley
2) You mean you didn't want to ban them and just waited for them to leave? Good god, they should have been banned when those comments were made.
3) Fair I guess.
4) A good action
Aye, you're a German themed region, so why not learn actual German?
Over all, I still won't look at you in a positive light. Maybe over time you will actually prove you've changed.
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Postby Estonland » Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:21 am

Armaros wrote:
Estonland wrote:I'll respond to your comments
1)We did apologise. This was a letter of apology
2)The people who have made those comments left with their own accord. They're not citizens of Kaiserreich anymore, as such banning them would be unnecessary.
3)The Kaiser had no way of acting on it, as he was on active military duty with extremely limited access to Discord and NS.
4)The new Imperial Civil Code which will be published after the elections has a clause that bans the promotion and propaganda of totalitarian and racist ideologies within the Empire.
EDIT: Well we are a Germanic-themed region...so there's nothing as natural as us using some German terms

1) Why is that apology only now? It should have happened immediatley
2) You mean you didn't want to ban them and just waited for them to leave? Good god, they should have been banned when those comments were made.
3) Fair I guess.
4) A good action
Aye, you're a German themed region, so why not learn actual German?
Over all, I still won't look at you in a positive light. Maybe over time you will actually prove you've changed.

There was no chance for them to be banned, as they held all executive offices except for the throne of the Kaiser. Now that they've resigned everything(including citizenship) they have no power inside Kaiserreich.
Oh I don't expect people to like us overnight. This is just our first step to vow that we've changed.
The Australian Animals wrote:You guys should have seen degeneracy and dealt with the earlier. The fact that a majority of the NS community viewed you as fascists should have tipped you off that maybe some of your members were of the questionable variety. The leadership of KR should have dealt with the problem swiftly so that it didn’t accumulate into the mess it is today. And as Armaros said, the only way I’ll truly look at KR in a different and positive light so when the former administration (including founder) resigns and leaves the region.

The Kaiser had no active authority over the fascist apologists, as such I do not see a reason why he should leave. As I said above, there was nobody with the necessary authority to deal with the degeneracy. Again and again the old administration have resigned citizenship, meaning they're legally foreigners.
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Postby Armaros » Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:31 am

Estonland wrote:There was no chance for them to be banned, as they held all executive offices except for the throne of the Kaiser. Now that they've resigned everything(including citizenship) they have no power inside Kaiserreich.
Oh I don't expect people to like us overnight. This is just our first step to vow that we've changed.

...They all held executive offices? Don't you people have rules which officers need to keep themselves to?
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Postby Estonland » Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:33 am

Armaros wrote:
Estonland wrote:There was no chance for them to be banned, as they held all executive offices except for the throne of the Kaiser. Now that they've resigned everything(including citizenship) they have no power inside Kaiserreich.
Oh I don't expect people to like us overnight. This is just our first step to vow that we've changed.

...They all held executive offices? Don't you people have rules which officers need to keep themselves to?


We did not have them. The new Imperial Codex and Civil Code includes them, namely banning fascism as a non-Imperial ideology as well as checks and balances on power.
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Postby The Australian Animals » Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:33 am

Estonland wrote:
Armaros wrote:1) Why is that apology only now? It should have happened immediatley
2) You mean you didn't want to ban them and just waited for them to leave? Good god, they should have been banned when those comments were made.
3) Fair I guess.
4) A good action
Aye, you're a German themed region, so why not learn actual German?
Over all, I still won't look at you in a positive light. Maybe over time you will actually prove you've changed.

There was no chance for them to be banned, as they held all executive offices except for the throne of the Kaiser. Now that they've resigned everything(including citizenship) they have no power inside Kaiserreich.
Oh I don't expect people to like us overnight. This is just our first step to vow that we've changed.
The Australian Animals wrote:You guys should have seen degeneracy and dealt with the earlier. The fact that a majority of the NS community viewed you as fascists should have tipped you off that maybe some of your members were of the questionable variety. The leadership of KR should have dealt with the problem swiftly so that it didn’t accumulate into the mess it is today. And as Armaros said, the only way I’ll truly look at KR in a different and positive light so when the former administration (including founder) resigns and leaves the region.

The Kaiser had no active authority over the fascist apologists, as such I do not see a reason why he should leave. As I said above, there was nobody with the necessary authority to deal with the degeneracy. Again and again the old administration have resigned citizenship, meaning they're legally foreigners.

He did have the authority of border control didn’t he? Or communications? Simple suppression of RMB posts and discord messages would have sufficed. Just because no can can technically deal with a problem, doesn’t mean you shouldn’t take steps to deal with it. I guess my main issue is that the problem took this long to correct instead of a quick response, and that some people who were involved with the mess (indirectly and directly) are still with the region.
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Postby Estonland » Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:42 am

The Australian Animals wrote:
Estonland wrote:There was no chance for them to be banned, as they held all executive offices except for the throne of the Kaiser. Now that they've resigned everything(including citizenship) they have no power inside Kaiserreich.
Oh I don't expect people to like us overnight. This is just our first step to vow that we've changed.

The Kaiser had no active authority over the fascist apologists, as such I do not see a reason why he should leave. As I said above, there was nobody with the necessary authority to deal with the degeneracy. Again and again the old administration have resigned citizenship, meaning they're legally foreigners.

He did have the authority of border control didn’t he? Or communications? Simple suppression of RMB posts and discord messages would have sufficed. Just because no can can technically deal with a problem, doesn’t mean you shouldn’t take steps to deal with it. I guess my main issue is that the problem took this long to correct instead of a quick response, and that some people who were involved with the mess (indirectly and directly) are still with the region.

1)The Kaiser was on active military duty. He had extremely limited access to internet, as such I do not think he could have devoted the necessary time to anything except simple posts not to CTE.
2)They are in the region but they're legal aliens and have no political rights.
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Postby Armaros » Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:52 am

Estonland wrote:
The Australian Animals wrote:He did have the authority of border control didn’t he? Or communications? Simple suppression of RMB posts and discord messages would have sufficed. Just because no can can technically deal with a problem, doesn’t mean you shouldn’t take steps to deal with it. I guess my main issue is that the problem took this long to correct instead of a quick response, and that some people who were involved with the mess (indirectly and directly) are still with the region.

1)The Kaiser was on active military duty. He had extremely limited access to internet, as such I do not think he could have devoted the necessary time to anything except simple posts not to CTE.
2)They are in the region but they're legal aliens and have no political rights.

If you're truly trying to change you ban them. The things they said are unacceptable. Every sensible region would have banned them already. The fact you allow them to remain in the region says quite a lot about your "change".
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Postby Estonland » Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:59 am

Armaros wrote:
Estonland wrote:1)The Kaiser was on active military duty. He had extremely limited access to internet, as such I do not think he could have devoted the necessary time to anything except simple posts not to CTE.
2)They are in the region but they're legal aliens and have no political rights.

If you're truly trying to change you ban them. The things they said are unacceptable. Every sensible region would have banned them already. The fact you allow them to remain in the region says quite a lot about your "change".

The new Civil Code goes into effect after our fresh elections, which are scheduled for November 10th. If they continue to support the said ideologies afterwards, they shall be penalized accordingly.
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Postby Queen Yuno » Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:42 am

I think purging all the Nazis from your region/discord would be a good first step. Even if not to regain your reputation (which, I don't think you'll ever regain,) it does clean up the chat for your community's sake.
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Postby Tim-Opolis » Sun Oct 28, 2018 12:27 pm

Bunch of big words without any action to back them up.

Actually remove every Nazi from your region, and then you might have a case to plead.
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Postby Blood Wine » Sun Oct 28, 2018 12:36 pm

Tim-Opolis wrote:Bunch of big words without any action to back them up.

Actually remove every Nazi from your region, and then you might have a case to plead.


That would involving removing the founder, so good luck with them actually doing so
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Postby Imperium of Josh » Sun Oct 28, 2018 12:47 pm

Frankly if you want a change of things, found a new region and move on. And that time around, have some good rules that get enforced well.

I highly doubt this announcement means much if you refuse to even ban toxic elements. Most of NS likely thinks the same. Soooo... gl XD

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Postby Tim-Opolis » Sun Oct 28, 2018 12:49 pm

Blood Wine wrote:
Tim-Opolis wrote:Bunch of big words without any action to back them up.

Actually remove every Nazi from your region, and then you might have a case to plead.


That would involving removing the founder, so good luck with them actually doing so


I'm well aware.
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Postby Estonland » Sun Oct 28, 2018 12:49 pm

Tim-Opolis wrote:Bunch of big words without any action to back them up.

Actually remove every Nazi from your region, and then you might have a case to plead.

"Bunch of big words"
I suppose revoking the citizenship of the sympathisers, writing a new democratic constitution and calling in general elections isn't action. It is my request that the NS World gets over its prejudices regarding KAISERREICH, as hard as it can be.
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Postby Estonland » Sun Oct 28, 2018 12:50 pm

Imperium of Josh wrote:Frankly if you want a change of things, found a new region and move on. And that time around, have some good rules that get enforced well.

I highly doubt this announcement means much if you refuse to even ban toxic elements. Most of NS likely thinks the same. Soooo... gl XD

I'm refusing to ban them because there is no point in doing so. They've resigned citizenship, they're no longer citizens and have made it clear to us that they're not returning to KR.
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Postby Imperium of Josh » Sun Oct 28, 2018 1:16 pm

Estonland wrote:
Imperium of Josh wrote:Frankly if you want a change of things, found a new region and move on. And that time around, have some good rules that get enforced well.

I highly doubt this announcement means much if you refuse to even ban toxic elements. Most of NS likely thinks the same. Soooo... gl XD

I'm refusing to ban them because there is no point in doing so. They've resigned citizenship, they're no longer citizens and have made it clear to us that they're not returning to KR.

You know what makes it more clear? Banning them.

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Postby Blood Wine » Sun Oct 28, 2018 2:23 pm

Imperium of Josh wrote:
Estonland wrote:I'm refusing to ban them because there is no point in doing so. They've resigned citizenship, they're no longer citizens and have made it clear to us that they're not returning to KR.

You know what makes it more clear? Banning them.


Now now dear Josh, you can't expect them to do the reasonable thing, nazi's aren't reasonable
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