GCR's a bit to stable?

[The Tri State Area and Maine]

Yes, I apologize so very deeply that GCRs like stability, too. It must be such an agony. While I can at least see the logic of arguing that the Feeders are too big or have too much power in the WA, you're saying that they're too stable? My reflexive response is a little too spicy for Moderation's taste, so I'll settle with: Yours is a region I will not regret to see go founderless. You know, because a UCR with a founder is a little too stable for my tastes.

Nothing here seems like an issue to me.

[Cotolon]

Always fun to watch Uni attempt to speak from a moral high horse to a GCR. Remind me, how many are you banned from again?

I won't even get started on the 'contempt for democracy'.

[Consular]

Yeah he's throwing rocks from a glass house, but that doesn't mean his aim is off. The NLO was not that long ago.

[Pergamon]

Yeah he's throwing rocks from a glass house, but that doesn't mean his aim is off. The NLO was not that long ago.

So as far as I know, the main targets of the NLO purges have been defenders, specifically the FRA affiliated nations. I mean technically the FRA was a super-regional UCR based defender alliance, or am I mistaken? Correct me if I am wrong.

Oh, I think the finger pointing at each other about subversion is really funny actually. Allow me to provide you with GCR subversion in a nutshell:

[Jar Wattinree]

Who let the NPO Senators out? Woof, woof, woof, woof, woof!

TIL I am secretly a Senator.

[Malphe]

Who let the NPO Senators out? Woof, woof, woof, woof, woof!

TIL I am secretly a Senator.

He spilled the beans, now your surprise senatorial appointment party is ruined.

[Frattastan IV]

Who let the NPO Senators out? Woof, woof, woof, woof, woof!

TIL I am secretly a Senator.

"Checkmate, Unibot. Your whole argument is disproven."

[Solorni]

I think this is one of those "the grass is greener on the other side" moments. It doesn't seem that long ago that Lazarus was unstable and many players really wanted stability there. So I think this sort of thing tends to be cyclical.

[The Church of Satan]

So as far as I know, the main targets of the NLO purges have been defenders, specifically the FRA affiliated nations. I mean technically the FRA was a super-regional UCR based defender alliance, or am I mistaken? Correct me if I am wrong.

Actually I believe it was anyone with citizenship in a UCR.

[The Tri State Area and Maine]

Yeah he's throwing rocks from a glass house, but that doesn't mean his aim is off. The NLO was not that long ago.

So as far as I know, the main targets of the NLO purges have been defenders, specifically the FRA affiliated nations. I mean technically the FRA was a super-regional UCR based defender alliance, or am I mistaken? Correct me if I am wrong.

Oh, I think the finger pointing at each other about subversion is really funny actually. Allow me to provide you with GCR subversion in a nutshell:

So the NPO subverted GCRs?

[The Church of Satan]

So as far as I know, the main targets of the NLO purges have been defenders, specifically the FRA affiliated nations. I mean technically the FRA was a super-regional UCR based defender alliance, or am I mistaken? Correct me if I am wrong.

Oh, I think the finger pointing at each other about subversion is really funny actually. Allow me to provide you with GCR subversion in a nutshell:

So the NPO subverted GCRs?

Oh yeah, without a doubt!

[Pergamon]

So as far as I know, the main targets of the NLO purges have been defenders, specifically the FRA affiliated nations. I mean technically the FRA was a super-regional UCR based defender alliance, or am I mistaken? Correct me if I am wrong.

Oh, I think the finger pointing at each other about subversion is really funny actually. Allow me to provide you with GCR subversion in a nutshell:

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So the NPO subverted GCRs?

It's not a secret, it's a historical fact. We know who we are. However, I don't know if subversion in the literal sense is accurate, subversion indicates that the act was made by foreign elements, like foreign invaders, we are not foreign to the GCRs, they are our home.

Nonetheless, we even have been condemned for it in the past. Albeit IMO for our tireless contributions in the attempt to weed out the non-GCR elements within GCRs we were rather deserving of a commendation.
GCRs for GCRs is kinda our schtick, you know?

[Galiantus III]

So the NPO subverted GCRs?

It's not a secret, it's a historical fact. We know who we are. However, I don't know if subversion in the literal sense is accurate, subversion indicates that the act was made by foreign elements, like foreign invaders, we are not foreign to the GCRs, they are our home.

Nonetheless, we even have been condemned for it in the past. Albeit IMO for our tireless contributions in the attempt to weed out the non-GCR elements within GCRs we were rather deserving of a commendation.
GCRs for GCRs is kinda our schtick, you know?

That's a wonderful way to justify encroachment upon other GCRs' sovereignty. How does that make you any better than subversive Userites? The problem is subversion, wherever it comes from. Your assertion that the NPO has been a force for protection among the GCRs is farcical at best, as exemplified by the actions the NPO has taken against Lazarus and TNP. The NPO is a foreign element to the other GCRs, and GCRs are not some giant unified bloc like you like to believe.

[Pergamon]

It's not a secret, it's a historical fact. We know who we are. However, I don't know if subversion in the literal sense is accurate, subversion indicates that the act was made by foreign elements, like foreign invaders, we are not foreign to the GCRs, they are our home.

Nonetheless, we even have been condemned for it in the past. Albeit IMO for our tireless contributions in the attempt to weed out the non-GCR elements within GCRs we were rather deserving of a commendation.
GCRs for GCRs is kinda our schtick, you know?

That's a wonderful way to justify encroachment upon other GCRs' sovereignty. How does that make you any better than subversive Userites? The problem is subversion, wherever it comes from. Your assertion that the NPO has been a force for protection among the GCRs is farcical at best, as exemplified by the actions the NPO has taken against Lazarus and TNP. The NPO is a foreign element to the other GCRs, and GCRs are not some giant unified bloc like you like to believe.

Yes, because it's totally reasonable (for example Lazarus) to allow Defenders originating from UCRs to have a GCR platform. I understood. Better have none being vocal about it, or ideologically against it, so the most experienced UCRs in the game can complete their colonization of the GCRs and shift the dynamic of the game in a more interesting way. I agree. Your understanding of sovereignty is formidable.

Also in regards of TNP, yes the NPO's acts against the ADN were unforgivable. The largest Defender Empire ever to grace this game of course deserved to have the chance to absorb all GCRs into Defenderdom, without some nasty coup in TP and the formation of a power that stood up against them.

[The Tri State Area and Maine]

That's a wonderful way to justify encroachment upon other GCRs' sovereignty. How does that make you any better than subversive Userites? The problem is subversion, wherever it comes from. Your assertion that the NPO has been a force for protection among the GCRs is farcical at best, as exemplified by the actions the NPO has taken against Lazarus and TNP. The NPO is a foreign element to the other GCRs, and GCRs are not some giant unified bloc like you like to believe.

Yes, because it's totally reasonable (for example Lazarus) to allow Defenders originating from UCRs to have a GCR platform.

Who cares if they do or not? How does it benefit TP's interests?

[Pergamon]

Yes, because it's totally reasonable (for example Lazarus) to allow Defenders originating from UCRs to have a GCR platform.

Who cares if they do or not? How does it benefit TP's interests?

GCRs for GCRs is our interest. We care.

[The Tri State Area and Maine]

Who cares if they do or not? How does it benefit TP's interests?

GCRs for GCRs is our interest. We care.

Why is it in your interest? What does TP gain for it?

[Pergamon]

GCRs for GCRs is our interest. We care.

Why is it in your interest? What does TP gain for it?

The pure GCR native is our brethren, our kin, he/she is a part of the Feederite Class. With the GCR native being in power in the GCRs, the Pacific gains everything. What is there more to the spherical game if the people of your own sphere get back the rightful control over their regions?

Just as additional note: We purged FRA Arch Chancellor (later LWU) Funkadellia from Lazarus in 2015, we were stopped. But imagine if we wouldn't have been stopped. Years of subversion and misery in Lazarus could have been prevented.

[America But Actually Kyrgyzstan]

What about an event where everyone's endorsement count is suddenly reset and the WA updates every 20 minutes for 24 hours? The resulting chaos and consequences would be so fun to watch.
(Maybe give UCR delegates the ability to opt out tho, I'd imagine they complain)

[Galiantus III]

That's a wonderful way to justify encroachment upon other GCRs' sovereignty. How does that make you any better than subversive Userites? The problem is subversion, wherever it comes from. Your assertion that the NPO has been a force for protection among the GCRs is farcical at best, as exemplified by the actions the NPO has taken against Lazarus and TNP. The NPO is a foreign element to the other GCRs, and GCRs are not some giant unified bloc like you like to believe.

Yes, because it's totally reasonable (for example Lazarus) to allow Defenders originating from UCRs to have a GCR platform. I understood. Better have none being vocal about it, or ideologically against it, so the most experienced UCRs in the game can complete their colonization of the GCRs and shift the dynamic of the game in a more interesting way. I agree. Your understanding of sovereignty is formidable.

Also in regards of TNP, yes the NPO's acts against the ADN were unforgivable. The largest Defender Empire ever to grace this game of course deserved to have the chance to absorb all GCRs into Defenderdom, without some nasty coup in TP and the formation of a power that stood up against them.

If a GCR wants to ally themselves with raiders or defenders, that is their choice, and chances are they will end up working with the UCRs matching that ideology. What right does TP have to say what they can or cannot do? I would also argue that, ideologically, it makes no sense for you to oppose defenders, because if defenders are being ideologically consistent they will naturally support the sovereignty of GCRs.

[Jar Wattinree]

StranWhat about an event where everyone's endorsement count is suddenly reset and the WA updates every 20 minutes for 24 hours? The resulting chaos and consequences would be so fun to watch.
(Maybe give UCR delegates the ability to opt out tho, I'd imagine they complain)

Lol in an alternate universe, UCR dominated game with no NPO (that never formed or was even conceived of) this is your reality, sure.

[Pergamon]

What about an event where everyone's endorsement count is suddenly reset and the WA updates every 20 minutes for 24 hours? The resulting chaos and consequences would be so fun to watch.
(Maybe give UCR delegates the ability to opt out tho, I'd imagine they complain)

I think there is a reason we didn't call ourselves the New Pacific Chaos and New Pacific Order instead, the name says it all.

Yes, because it's totally reasonable (for example Lazarus) to allow Defenders originating from UCRs to have a GCR platform. I understood. Better have none being vocal about it, or ideologically against it, so the most experienced UCRs in the game can complete their colonization of the GCRs and shift the dynamic of the game in a more interesting way. I agree. Your understanding of sovereignty is formidable.

Also in regards of TNP, yes the NPO's acts against the ADN were unforgivable. The largest Defender Empire ever to grace this game of course deserved to have the chance to absorb all GCRs into Defenderdom, without some nasty coup in TP and the formation of a power that stood up against them.

If a GCR wants to ally themselves with raiders or defenders, that is their choice, and chances are they will end up working with the UCRs matching that ideology. What right does TP have to say what they can or cannot do? I would also argue that, ideologically, it makes no sense for you to oppose defenders, because if defenders are being ideologically consistent they will naturally support the sovereignty of GCRs.

It makes ideologically absolute sense to oppose Defenders in GCRs, they abuse the resources of GCRs to play nationstate's welfare department in favor of UCR nations which either don't listen, refuse to utilize founder powers/refound or attempt other forms of regional protection. The GCRs being enslaved for this repetitive and pointless task, they have literally no gain from it, except maybe the insults of ungrateful UCR natives that do note even understand that they just got libbed/defended.

Do you want to hear something about reality instead of morals:
It's not the raider's fault their region is being raided, the fault resides within those that refuse to accept game mechanics or smart regional politics and harness it.

We do not care what Defenders do outside of GCRs, they can save as many hopeless cases as they desire.

Edit: Split the replies for better comprehension.

[America But Actually Kyrgyzstan]

Lol in an alternate universe, UCR dominated game with no NPO (that never formed or was even conceived of) this is your reality, sure.

I just think it would be a fun event with actual lasting consequences - shake up the system a little bit and see what emerges.

[Pergamon]

Lol in an alternate universe, UCR dominated game with no NPO (that never formed or was even conceived of) this is your reality, sure.

I just think it would be a fun event with actual lasting consequences - shake up the system a little bit and see what emerges.

I literally can't wait for you to shake up the system then. Maybe you should research Gradea or join Topid in his everlasting crusade to destroy the NPO.

[Galiantus III]

What about an event where everyone's endorsement count is suddenly reset and the WA updates every 20 minutes for 24 hours? The resulting chaos and consequences would be so fun to watch.
(Maybe give UCR delegates the ability to opt out tho, I'd imagine they complain)

I think there is a reason we didn't call ourselves the New Pacific Chaos and New Pacific Order instead, the name says it all.

If a GCR wants to ally themselves with raiders or defenders, that is their choice, and chances are they will end up working with the UCRs matching that ideology. What right does TP have to say what they can or cannot do? I would also argue that, ideologically, it makes no sense for you to oppose defenders, because if defenders are being ideologically consistent they will naturally support the sovereignty of GCRs.

It makes ideologically absolute sense to oppose Defenders in GCRs, they abuse the resources of GCRs to play nationstate's welfare department in favor of UCR nations which either don't listen, refuse to utilize founder powers/refound or attempt other forms of regional protection. The GCRs being enslaved for this repetitive and pointless task, they have literally no gain from it, except maybe the insults of ungrateful UCR natives that do note even understand that they just got libbed/defended.

Do you want to hear something about reality instead of morals:
It's not the raider's fault their region is being raided, the fault resides within those that refuse to accept game mechanics or smart regional politics and harness it.

We do not care what Defenders do outside of GCRs, they can save as many hopeless cases as they desire.

Edit: Split the replies for better comprehension.

You are misrepresenting what I said. I said that if a GCR wants to participate in raiding or defending, you, the NPO, have no right to prevent them. You don't speak for all GCRs, and the fact that you speak as though you do should be very concerning to them.