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Postby Ric Sagnant » Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:03 pm

Malphe wrote:Why did you centre that? im not knocking it i'm just confused.


:p to confuse you could be the first main intention :rofl:
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Post Election Update

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His Majesty's Government

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The 35th Royal Parliament
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The Monarchy


King: HRBM Henry IX
Prince of Wales: HRBH Charles
Prince Royal: Vacant

HM Civil Executive Government


Prime Minister: Madeline Norfolk
Deputy Prime Minister: Khanter W. Molchaniye
Home Secretary: Bailey Lucullus Norfolk-Stuart
Foreign Secretary: Francis Stuart
Culture Secretary: Artimedias
Attorney General: Alastair McIntyre Stuart

Great Officers of State


Principle Private Secretary: Alastair McIntyre Stuart
Lord Chamberlain: Henry Norfolk
Lord Advocate: Juris Lancaster
Director-General of MI5: Arnold T Stuart

Supreme Court


Lord Chief Justice: Owen Bonaparte
Associate Justice: Jay Dee Bonaparte
Associate Justice: Vacant
Kingdom of Great Britain
Regional Information Kiosk

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Founded: August 18th, 2013
Ruling Family: The Royal House of Stuart
Regional Power: High

The House of Lords

Lord High Chancellor
His Royal Highness, the Prince of Wales


His Royal Britannic Highness, The Prince of Wales
His Grace, The Duke of Clarence and Aquitaine
His Lordship, The Marquess of Ellesmere
His Lordship, The Earl of Warwick
His Lordship, The Viscount Peel
His Lordship, The Baron Todshaw

The House of Commons

The Rt. Hon. Speaker
Edward Stuart


Artimedias (ind) MP for Ardennes (France)
Madeline Norfolk (FEP) MP for Dwyfor Meirionnydd (Wales)
Khanter W. Molchaniye (FEP) MP for Caithness, Sutherland & Easter Ross (Scotland)
Theodore Lewis Uchiha (WUP) MP for Lewes (England)
Albert Philip Stuart (BRP) MP for Kingston East & Port Royal (Jamaica)
Alastair McIntyre Stuart (FEP) MP for Brandon-Souris (Canada)
Edward Stuart (ind) MP for Dublin Central (Ireland)

HM Government: No Organized Majority
HM Loyal Opposition: No Organized Opposition

Citizens' Assembly


Crown Delegate: HRH The Marquess of Ellesmere
Chairman: Peter John de Vitre




Elections and a New Parliament

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In January the people of the Kingdom of Great Britain went to the polls to vote for Parliament once again. The campaign season was active with many candidates vying to be Members of Parliament or perhaps the next Prime Minister. The election was held on January 13th and a healthy 31 people voted to elect 7 candidates to the House of Commons.

After the polls were closed results showed that the next Parliament would be hung with the Freedom and Equality Party getting three seats, the British Royalist Party getting two seats, and two independents, Edward Stuart and Artimedias, getting elected. However, the selection of the Prime Minister would not be a tough decision to make. Two term Prime Minister Madeline Norfolk announced her intentions to stand for a third term and was given the confidence of the House of Commons to sit for a third term, the House of Lords would give their confidence not long after.

The Prime Minister soon announced her cabinet for the term. This cabinet will be charged with carrying out her plans for the term and helping make her third term as successful, in the eyes of the voters, as the other two. For Deputy Prime Minister she announced that one of her closest advisers, Khanter Molchaniye, would serve in the position entrusting him with all the tasks and responsibilities of the office. For Home Secretary she announced Bailey Lucullus Norfolk-Stuart, a long time resident of the region who has worked in government before. For her Foreign Secretary she announced that Francis Stuart, who has held the position on many occasions, would fill the role. She decided that Artimedias, her Culture Secretary from the previous term would stay on for this term as well. She also decided to keep Alastair McIntyre Stuart as Attorney General.

Parliament quickly got to work after being opened. Some members of the House of Commons began working on repealing the Independent Manifesto which has caused serious debate within the House as to whether it should be repealed or not as it is part of the identity of the KoGB Royal Marine Corps. Furthermore, there are discussions going on in the Commons about how the World Assembly Delegate should be removed whether it be with the advice of the Prime Minister or if the power should lay with Parliament. The House of Lords also got to work quick after taking their seats. The Lords rejected the nominee for the Supreme Court with many members citing lack of experience and an incident that happened not long after he entered the region. The Lords also unanimously rejected the Popular Advisory Referendum Act sending it back to the Commons.

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Bleated February Update

Postby HM Department of Education » Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:27 pm

His Majesty's Government

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The 36th Imperial Parliament
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The Monarchy


King: HRBM Henry IX
Prince of Wales: HRBH Charles
Prince Royal: HBH Leopold

HM Civil Executive Government


Prime Minister: Madeline Norfolk
Deputy Prime Minister: Khanter W. Molchaniye
Home Secretary: Bailey Lucullus Norfolk-Stuart
Foreign Secretary: William Stuart
Culture Secretary: Artimedias
Attorney General: Alastair McIntyre Stuart

Great Officers of State


Principle Private Secretary: Alastair McIntyre Stuart
Lord Chamberlain: Henry Norfolk
Lord Advocate: Juris Lancaster
Captain General: Khanter W. Molchaniye
Director-General of MI5: Arnold T Stuart

Supreme Court

Lord Chief Justice: Owen Bonaparte
Associate Justice: Jay Dee Bonaparte
Kingdom of Great Britain
Regional Information Kiosk

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Founded: August 18th, 2013
Ruling Family: The Royal House of Stuart
Regional Power: High

The House of Lords

Lord High Chancellor
His Royal Highness, the Prince of Wales


His Royal Britannic Highness, The Prince of Wales
His Grace, The Duke of Clarence and Aquitaine
His Lordship, The Marquess of Ellesmere
His Lordship, The Marquess of Westminster
His Lordship, The Earl of Warwick
His Lordship, The Viscount Peel

The House of Commons


The Rt. Hon. Speaker
The Hon. Edward Stuart


Artimedias (ind) MP for Ardennes (France)
Madeline Norfolk (FEP) MP for Dwyfor Meirionnydd (Wales)
Khanter W. Molchaniye (FEP) MP for Caithness, Sutherland & Easter Ross (Scotland)
Theodore Lewis Uchiha (WUP) MP for Lewes (England)
Albert Philip Stuart (BRP) MP for Kingston East & Port Royal (Jamaica)
Alastair McIntyre (FEP) MP for Brandon-Souris (Canada)
Edward Stuart (ind) MP for Dublin Central (Ireland)

HM Government: No Organized Majority
HM Loyal Opposition: No Organized Opposition

Citizens' Assembly

Crown Delegate: HRH The Prince Royal
Chairman: Philip V. McIntyre







The 36th Imperial Parliament: In a Nutshell

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The 36th Royal Parliament experienced a stagnation of regional legislation in favor of internal growth and turmoil, while also experiencing some successful external outreach. Seven members of Parliament were elected Freedom and Equality Party (FEP) coming in just shy of a majority, acquiring three MPs, with two seats being claimed by the British Royalist Party (BRP) and two being taken up by independent candidate at the start of the term. Shortly after the election, MP and Deputy Culture Secretary Theodore Lewis, along with the Marquess of Ellesmere and Viscount Peel broke off from their respective parties in favor of forming the WUP, or Wheat and Union Party. Prime Minister Norfolk in her third term experienced backlash within the region from two separate Op-Eds as well as her own interview with the BBC.

The 36th Royal Parliament experienced slight bouts of stagnation regarding legislation. Many MPs ran with the main goal of "fixing" the House of Commons to prevent the explosive and harmful behaviors of certain MPs near the end of the 35th Parliament's term. This started an early debate with a large Standing Orders amendment, which many have publicly and privately criticized for breaking the tradition and nature of the House of Commons in favor for allowing new MPs to ease into their position and making sure MPs really do know what they can motion for. Meanwhile, the Lords brought out discussions about various ways of rectifying an issue of Lords being unable to express their discontent with the government, as well as a bill to repurpose the Bar Association. The Lords also debated and passed back to the House of Commons a bill to include the Lords in PMQs, which has been traditionally only held within the House of Commons with MPs. This change was further passed and the Prime Minister was able to have further discussions with the House of Lords within PMQs.

22 items were discussed within the House of Commons and 17 items were discussed in the House of Lords with a total of 7 items receiving assent. This included repeals of now defunct treaties, a change to PMQs to allow the Lords participation, further changes to the Citizen's Assembly, and a hopeful revitalization of the Bar Association.



The Norfolk Premiership, End of an Era?

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Following an explosive electoral season, Prime Minister Norfolk secured her third consecutive term as Prime Minister, a feat few have sought after and a fewer few have achieved. In the Prime Minister's opening address, she included her cabinet and plans to make the region better, which included a focus on utilizing the new Executive Orders on Home and Culture, discussing regional matters more publicly on the forum, holding cabinet members to a higher level, and observing what more needs to be improved internally so that we can begin our bettering of relations with regions externally.

The Prime Minister sent two Associate Justice candidates to the King for the Lords to confirm or deny for the position, Charlie Beckett and then Aelita Venzalor. By the end of the term however, the position has once again become vacant, the Prime Minister indicated during a session of PMQs that it would be best to wait for the Bar Association to become officially established and citizens begin to be trained in law before anyone else should be sent to the Lords for confirmation.

Throughout the term, the government experienced two changes. First, there was the sudden resignation of Smith Arche from the government and region, for reasons unknown beyond he just wasn't interested anymore. Second, Foreign Secretary Francis Stuart was replaced with William Stuart, so that Francis may focus on IRL without fear of disappointment for being unable to attend to his duties in the Foreign Office.

Roll calls and reassignments throughout the Civil Service were held, and the Prime Minister's cabinet remained active members in the Civil Service for, in the addition of working in their own department, each cabinet member was required to join a department in the Civil Service not of their own and remain active, or face removal. This was the Prime Minister's attempt to promote having well-rounded cabinet members, who support one another in more than just moral. The Culture Secretary began further work with the Royal Role-play Committee (RRPC) in bringing more and better updates to the current regional role-play. The Home Secretary began creating guides to the region, starting with how to apply for citizenship. The Foreign Secretary began reviewing current embassies and consulates as well as looking into new regions to begin or better relations with. The Attorney General began his work in the Bar Association. The Deputy Prime Minister began his talks with various GCRs in an attempt to start thawing the cold relations with some while opening the door to relations with others. By the end of February, TRR had agreed to allow for us to have a consulate in their region!!! We are excited to begin these relations with TRR and thank them immensely for allowing us this opportunity. In addition, we look forward to bettering our relations with TEP as well as the more recent TNP.

The Prime Minister issued a statement within her removal and replacement of the BBC Director regarding her 4th term as Prime Minister. She indicated that she will not be going for a 4th term, mostly due to her need to readjust her focus in Nationstates, as well as allowing someone else the opportunity to do her job. Madeline Norfolk had been Prime Minister for nearly 200 days and looks forward to taking a break while other citizens take the work she started and continues it. She issued a direct statement stating "Many of you believe that you can do what I do and do it better. Today, I challenge you to start proving it now." And that challenge shall be met in the upcoming election.

In celebration of the end of her term, citizens were encouraged to write satirical articles about Norfolk's cabinet, the King, and the region in general. In addition, Prime Minister Norfolk is currently hosting a Roast/Gloat night where citizens who have worked with her throughout her 3 terms can celebrate everything that has been accomplished. As of the writing of this update, the celebration has been a great success with surprises ranging from helicopter arrivals and even a special visit from the King!



Multiple Medias

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Over the course of the term, more medias developed tackling different issues within the region. From taking things out of context to tabloid articles about government members to reporting the happenings of Commons! We have a total of 19 medias, a total of 31 media releases, and over 200 views! With the search for a new BBC Director upon the next Prime Minister, only time will tell if one of the owners of these private medias will become the next Director!


Royal Updates

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This past month has brought us many updates from the Royals! To start off, the House of Arche has been renamed to the House of Roth in a move by Prince Leopold to break away from the bad reputation that has been behind the Arche name and to secure the Germanic history of the house. In other news, the appointment of a new Prince Royal was announced on the 17th of February, with the Marquess of Ellesmere, Leopold Roth, being elevated to the position following the retirement of James Stuart, the Duke of Richmond, Gordon, Lennox and Earl. The elevation merely serves to confirm that Lord Ellesmere is senior member of the Royal Family, who has earned himself the dignity of this title with hard work and dedication to the region in numerous different offices.

In the more important news, His Royal Britannic Majesty Henry IX was married on [date] to his fiance from outside of NationStates, something we in the Kingdom of Great Britain celebrate. The region was overjoyed when Her Royal Highness Magda Anette Astrid Glucksberg-Stuart officially joined the game. She was granted the full title of: Her Royal Highness the Queen Consort Magda Anette Astrid Glucksberg-Stuart of Great Britain, Ireland, and France, Duchess of Orkney, Countess of Flintshire, and Baroness Adare of Adare in the County of Limerick. We wish the King and Queen-Consort the best of marriages.

To conclude with the Royal Biz, His Royal Britannic Majesty Henry IX changed how royal styles work in the family! Now, members of the royal family do not automatically assume the styles of HH or HRH; they now are handed to select people through Letters Patent. With this, His Royal Britannic Majesty Henry IX is certain that the family will become more meritocratic and unify the family rather than divide it through competition.


Military, Where Are We Now?


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It's already been two months since the military reforms, and the rebirth of the Royal Marine Corps of KoGB. Captain General Khanter Molchaniye summarized the happenings within the military below:

"Lately, the region has experienced apprehension towards becoming apart of the military, some due to being uninterested in that side of gameplay, and others due to KoGB's involvement in Antifa, which has continued to be a topic for controversy. Some more conservative citizens have argued that Antifa would harm the image of KoGB, which quite frankly, KoGB does not have much of an image to further harm given how we are still viewed after the events of Fall 2017. The image has improved, but we have a long way to go. When we joined AntiFa, we had one goal in mind: bash the fash, and that has been what we have done. KoGB has participated in several operations with AntiFa.

In an attempt to make peace with the citizens apprehensive about involvement in the military, the Captain General created the ACCO, where citizens may be able to air their concerns regarding the military and be allowed to join without being punished for refusing to participate in operations that go against their beliefs, morals, etc. Unfortunately, the ACCO never took off and was recently abolished due to no one joining or using the ACCO, in addition to the previously appointed member of the military taking little initiative in making the ACCO the hub of military recruitment.

The abolition of the ACCO followed an operation with AntiFa, where the Council recruited several citizens for the sole purpose of participation. A total of 9 marines jumping, including the King and the Captain General who trigger jumped. While we did not get the delegacy, we returned a second time and took it with a total of 30 something people assisting in gaining the delegacy. Following these two operations, the military has been reinvigorated in involvement, and plans for more operations more often are in the near future. I am happy to see the military finally grow, it makes me happy because it means I can promote people more often!"


The marines have grown to a total of 12 from the original 6 where one has transferred from reserves to active duty. The hope is to see further growth and involvement as KoGB's foreign affairs continues to grow.


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The Daily Tea



KING SECRETLY MARRIES MYSTERIOUS FOREIGN PRINCESS

04 March, 2019


The Daily Tea has confirmed reports from palace aides that did not wish to be named that King Henry IX secretly eloped with a foreign princess from Norway.

The mysterious Princess Magda and the aging King are said to have married in a private ceremony at Crathie Kirk, a small Church of Scotland church outside the Balmoral Estate grounds that the Royal Family regularly attends while in residence at Balmoral during special occasions.

Speculation began a week ago when our reporters heard from witnesses that multiple cars belonging to senior members of the Royal Family appeared near the estate although there was no announcement from the Palace of any special occasion or retreat. Members of the family such as the Prince of Wales and the Duke of Clarence and Aquitaine were not in the House of Lords, and the Earl of Carlisle was absent from the Speaker’s chair in the House of Commons for much of the weekend. When our reporters reached out to their offices, their spokespeople had no comments on their whereabouts. The Duke of Clarence’s recognizable 1994 Reliant Robin was spotted in an auto shop at a village near the Balmoral Estate, and the Lord Chamberlain Henry Norfolk was seen in the park with a bouquet of flowers in one hand, and a suit covered in a black garment cover in the other. At the Balmoral railway station, witnesses saw a young woman in a dark trench coat and reflective fedora step off a train with a Norwegian flag on the side flanked by bodyguards. On the other side of the train, a couple wearing similar clothing said to be the King and Queen of Norway were seen being whisked to a black unmarked Range Rover.

The only maiden princess is the Norwegian Royal Family is Princess Magda, youngest of the Norwegian King’s seven children. Little is known about Magda since she has remained out of public view and has not been pictured at official state events since childhood.

The Palace did not respond when we reached out for comment, and the King returned with his entourage to Buckingham Palace late Sunday, pictured without a mysterious young woman.

We caught up with a local and asked her what she thought if the King had eloped:
It would be disappointin if the King secretly married some silly foreigner,” said 74 year old Mary Dobbins, a local innkeeper, “We ave got enough foreigners arriving on our shores and stealing our jobs, and some silly wee foreign Viking lass is going tae be the one tae marry our King? He should get with a proper Scottish lass like me instead! I’ve always fancied him teehee”.

This is Morgs Pierson reporting from Balmoral, Scotland, and that’s the Tea!

DISCLAIMER: This is a satirical gossip column and should not be taken seriously as real news.

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April Update: Keeping it Brief

Postby HM Department of Education » Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:12 am

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King Release a Declaration of Peace

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On April 5, His Majesty, the King of the Kingdom of Great Britain, after a joint session of Parliament, has declared the cessation of hostilities of our region against NPO, Official act is showed below:

We, Henry IX, King of Great Britain, Ireland, and France, of Our various Dominions beyond the Seas Emperor, Commander in Chief of Our Royal Corps of Marines, Supreme Governor of the Church of England on Earth and Defender of the Rights of the Same.

bid you greeting!


WHEREAS Our Realm's Lords Temporal Spiritual and Commons of the Thirty-Seventh Parliament assembled have met, discussed, and voted upon Our previous request for a Declaration of Peace, satisfying Constitutional Provisions under Article III, Section E, § 5;

WHEREAS that during the early course of the conflict Kaiser Friedrich of Hartfelden, Our former ally, ended relations which left Our efforts stranded;

WHEREAS the major war goals of Our brothers-in-arms abroad are considered accomplished AND;

WHEREAS the new governance of the New Pacific Order assisted in military operations alongside their enemies;


THEREFORE: We declare that from today, Friday, the Fifth day of April a State of Peace exists between the Kingdom of Great Britain and the New Pacific Order, and that We order Our Commandant General, Our Royal Corps of Marines, its officers and enlisted soldiers to withdraw from further operations against the New Pacific Order immediately.

This Declaration made on the 5th of April h in the Year of Our Lord Two Thousand and Nineteen, in the Second Year of Our Reign



His Royal Britannic Majesty Henry IX
King of Great Britain, Ireland, and France
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BBC BREAKING NEWS

KERMIT THE SCANDAL?!?




Good morning to all those who are watching or reading this. Today I received confirmation that His Majesty's Government went absolutely insane and attempted to coup themselves within the regional Discord server. I come before you to explain the details of the event and what occurred during this brief yet terrifying time.

On the evening of 27 March, 2019, a secret ring of organized crime made their first appearance in the regional Discord server. They called themselves the "Kermits".Their diabolical plan consisted of changing their Discord profile pictures to the famous Kermit the Frog sipping a glass of tea and changing their Discord nicknames and usernames to "Kermit".


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Upon their discovery by the populace, they proceeded to act as each other in an attempt to throw the people off their tracks to prevent their true identities from being discovered. Multiple citizens were thrown into a realm of confusion as they tried for what seemed like hours trying to answer the question: "How did these frogs get in here?"

The Kermits posted memes and gifs alike in multiple channels across the Discord. These memes and gifs would either contain a picture of Kermit the Frog or have the word Kermit in it. They screamed of a government coup and could be heard screaming "We're going to Kermit Coupacide!" Everyone was taken back by the sudden events.

After an hour or so passed, the posting slowed, the screaming died down, and the Kermits disappeared leaving behind the Prime Minister and the Cabinet as if nothing had happened. We were lucky to get some quick responses from passersby shortly after the incident ended:

"The Kermits are obviously the Prime Minister and the Cabinet with the Prince of Wales as the leader, I'm not stupid it was staring us right in the face. I don't know why they'd want to coup themselves that makes no bloody sense. Whatever they are doing it's not funny they need to knock it off!"

"This was a predetermined attack by a coalition of regional troublemakers just looking to make a mess of things! I don't know who the Kermits are, but I betcha it's the members of the former government trying to fight the establishment. You didn't hear this from me, but I heard the past premiership took some valuable equipment specifically made for creating multiple accounts while remaining untraced! They need to be investigated!"

"I bet ya it was those darned Stuarts! That family causes trouble and gets away with it all the time; couping the government with Kermits is right up their alley and they can get away with it because, duh, the King was in on it!"

"Well shoot I don't know what other people are saying but I was stumped out my mind. I was trying to talk to one Kermit then another Kermit would respond and throw me off like some kind of horror movie and this other Kermit would post gifs of projectile vomiting everywhere and it had this creepy sound when you watched it. I'm just saying whoever these guys are they were ready and they got us good."

"It's obviously people from the outside. I know for a fact it was those Osiris fellerz down in Egypt or those Hawk bird people pulling their filthy pranks again. This is not good diplomacy and we should send all we got their way that'll show them to raid our server, HA!"

"I was confused but one of those Kermit dudes kept saying that everyone in government was just a multi account from one user and at first I was like 'whaaaaat???' and then I was like 'weeeeeeeiird.' But now I think that Kermit was making sense. What if there is just one guy pulling the strings? My money's on them sneaky lil Ernges!"


As of now, no arrests have been made. The Prime Minster, the Cabinet, and the Prince of Wales all deny involvement in the attempted coup. When asked who was responsible, they each would scream "look over there!" before running away. A report has been sent to King Henry IX by an Alek Lee about the government's attempted coup of themselves. The King responded that there will be some "ass-whoopings" to be justly served very soon at the Tower of London.

I'm Alastair McIntyre, BBC News.




This is a mid-month Update with the most juicy information by the moment. Thanks for Reading, and stay in touch for the end of the month update!


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Postby Pierconium » Tue Apr 16, 2019 3:27 am

The Pacific recognises the cessation of hostilities with the Kingdom of Great Britain and wishes them well for the future.
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Statement on Khanter Molchaniye and Antifa

Postby HM Department of Education » Wed May 15, 2019 9:11 am

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Office of The Secretary of State for the Foreign and Commonwealth Office
Statement on Khanter Molchaniye and Antifa
May 12, 2019


Yesterday, it was announced publicly by our Antifa allies that there was an individual who had been spying on Antifa operations and passing along information to our fascist enemies. Today, we can publicly confirm that Khanter Molchaniye, our former Foreign Secretary and Captain General of the Royal Marines, has been identified as the enemy agent.

We are, like many of you surprised and disappointed by this news, but we assure the public that the allegations are indeed credible per the evidence gathered by Antifa and Mariner Trench counterintelligence authorities, along with His Majesty the King, Deputy Foreign Secretary Madeline Norfolk, and HRBH the Prince of Wales, who have been working closely to listen and analyze the facts of the investigation.

Since Mr. Molchaniye resigned his citizenship shortly after the public announcement, the Foreign Office has recommended persona non grata status to the Prime Minister to ensure that Mr. Molchaniye is perpetually banished from our shores.

The Kingdom of Great Britain remains committed to its valuable allies in Antifa and our mutual purpose against the toxic fascist ideology. We will not tolerate fascist sympathizers within our own ranks.

Inquiries regarding evidence and the investigation should be directed to the leadership within AntiFa and Mariner Trench.

Signed,

The Rt. Hon. Edward A.S. Stuart, KCB AK KCMG
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Wed May 15, 2019 9:37 am

I would like to thank Khanter for working against the corrupting influence of Antifa on this game. The game needs more prepared to act against this sort of attitude wherever it occurs.
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Postby Cormactopia Prime » Wed May 15, 2019 1:12 pm

Worth noting Khanter denies the allegations, and I've seen no evidence. Withholding judgment until I've seen evidence or TWP acts. KoGB is not reputable.

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Postby The Holy Principality of Saint Mark » Wed May 15, 2019 1:38 pm

We received evidence last night and are in the process of evaluating it.
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Postby RiderSyl » Wed May 15, 2019 1:39 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:I would like to thank Khanter for working against the corrupting influence of Antifa on this game. The game needs more prepared to act against this sort of attitude wherever it occurs.


Since your post assumes that the accusation against Khanter is true, and the accusation is that Khanter is a fascist spy, that means you're thanking a fascist for working against Antifa.
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Postby Big Bad Badger » Wed May 15, 2019 2:15 pm

Wasn't Don rumored to be working with Nazis now? Maybe he's the spy!
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Postby Wentshire » Wed May 15, 2019 9:14 pm

As the Kingdom of Great Britain's newly appointed Foreign Secretary who has been critical of KGB's past tolerance with its previous despot internally and to those outside of KGB, I'd like to ask members of the NSGP community to not use this as an opportunity to shit on the region.

It's easy to put down the region as a whole over the past (and understandably so), but doing so and having respectable community pillars like Badger joking about the old king being in the region is extremely unhelpful and unfair to those of us who weren't here during the Shadow Wars who have been working to improve its foreign affairs and internal accountability laws; that kind of talk has also alarmed and scared some into becoming paranoid that he actually is in the region. Those in government who run the day-to-day operations and legislating in the region aren't all the same people who were here at the time of those dark days. We have our bad days like most regions, but they've never been as toxic as the stories I've heard from back in the old days. For newer post-Don people like myself, dealing with the fallout after so many months has been frustrating and daunting, and I've had honest and frank conversations with the older members about it.

Our role in the Khanter investigation was simply secondary confirmation for certain details of evidence, and our Antifa allies wanted to inform us on the situation so that we would be aware of their rationale to avoid jeopardizing our relationship by miscommunication over a shared community member and so that could handle the situation in our own way.

I understand that NSGP tends to have targets for drama every now and then, but I would ask everyone to acknowledge the differences in our day-to-day leadership, our internal legal changes, and our role in this before using our past as a means to cast doubt on these allegations. Antifa authorities asked us to refer further inquiries to them, so that is what we will do. As our official statement says, I'd refer members of the NSGP community to Antifa authorities for further information pertaining to evidence since the evidence is not ours to share based upon their own policies and reasons for not sharing publicly; or you all can as Cormac says, wait for TWP to make a statement after they have reviewed the evidence (which has been shared by Antifa authorities). Having only recently reviewed the evidence with my own questions and concerns to the Antifa authorities (because of my fondness for Khanter and disbelief that Khanter would do this), I find myself convinced and I trust that TWP will also find it compelling as well; and I look forward to seeing their response and any concerns they may have that we may have overlooked.

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Postby Golden Hind » Wed May 15, 2019 10:27 pm

Hello everyone. I'm Golden Hind. I serve as deputy leader of the MT Army and have a leadership role in NS Antifa. When we learned that we had a spy in Antifa's leadership group, I took part in the investigation to determine who the spy was, alongside my leader, Vippertooth33. When our interrogation of the evidence we had made Khanter one of our prime suspects, we reached out to Kingdom of Great Britain.

My policy on intelligence operations is generally not to share details with all and sundry, but in this case I'll make an exception. KOGB took action based on solid evidence that we provided, and have in no way acted unreasonably.

I must emphasise that KOGB did not take us on face value. They trusted Khanter, and felt that it was out of character for him. They quite firmly required us to present the evidence we had and thoroughly interrogated our reasoning. They considered all manner of alternative scenarios. They asked the questions like 'could Khanter have been set up?' 'could it be coincidence?' 'could it be misdirection by the fascists?' and so on. They did not approach this lightly.

We didn't approach this lightly, either. I always liked Khanter. He worked hard and was a skilled soldier and reliable war leader. He seemed like good people. He told stories about his family's past fighting the fascists in Spain, a story which I felt a connection to, as my family also fought against the fascists in Spain. But the evidence stacked up. A screencap posted publicly by the spy on an RMB, under the name 'the 88,' allowed us to confirm details about the spy, details that pointed to Khanter and which exonerated others:

- That the phone used to take the spy's screenshot resembled, exactly, that used by Khanter. The individual icons were exactly the same in size and shape, and in the exact same configuration.
- That, based on the timestamps depicted in the spy's screencap, that spy was located in America's Central Timezone. The Central Timezone covers a number of places, such as Manitoba in Canada, a number of states in the US, and Mexico. Khanter is from Mexico.

We could find no one else in our leadership channel who possessed a phone that matched that of the spy. None even vaguely resembled the phone of the spy, except for Khanter. His phone matched precisely. Given that, given that he was in the correct geographic location, given that the public posts by the spy sounded the same as Khanter's very distinctive style of typing, it meant either he was the spy, or he was being very precisely imitated, down to the purchase of a separate phone. Given all that, it was much more plausible that Khanter was the spy than not.

What clinched it was that Khanter contacted Vip privately and claimed that he had called in a favour from Discord's developers to have The 88's Discord account unilaterally deleted. That is both incredibly implausible and deeply suspicious. In combination with the evidence we already had, we became certain that the spy was Khanter. We are confident in our reasoning, and if you have an issue with that reasoning you are welcome to send me a telegram and render a complaint there.

I do not know much about KOGB's past or what the previous king did. I only know the KOGB of today and the leaders I've spoken with are all good, solid people. I know grudges can last in NS, but times change and regions change.

Thank you for your time.

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Postby RiderSyl » Thu May 16, 2019 1:14 am

Both the fascist spy and Khanter have an Android phone along with 2.3 billion other people.

The fascist spy and Khanter live in the same time zone along with 240 million other people.

The fascist spy and Khanter both speak English as a second language just like 300 million other people.

Golden Hind, you and Vipper passing this off as "solid evidence" is alarming to me, mainly because you two are leaders against the Nazi menace in NS. Those of us that believe in and support your mission statement trust you both to make sound judgement calls based on clear evidence. I won't be coming out of this with the same amount of trust for y'all, unless there's something beyond circumstance evidence that you two haven't released yet.

If there isn't, and this highly circumstantial evidence is the reason that Khanter's NS career is tarnished, then the next time someone whines about the MT Army or Antifa targeting non-fascists, I will have to take them seriously.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Thu May 16, 2019 1:54 am

I'll guess we'll see if Antifa is still leaky, I do sure hope it is. I have good reason to think it will be, in fact, as I've received information that appears to confirm you got the wrong guy.
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Postby Honeydewistania » Thu May 16, 2019 3:53 am

RiderSyl wrote:Both the fascist spy and Khanter have an Android phone along with 2.3 billion other people.

The fascist spy and Khanter live in the same time zone along with 240 million other people.

The fascist spy and Khanter both speak English as a second language just like 300 million other people.

Golden Hind, you and Vipper passing this off as "solid evidence" is alarming to me, mainly because you two are leaders against the Nazi menace in NS. Those of us that believe in and support your mission statement trust you both to make sound judgement calls based on clear evidence. I won't be coming out of this with the same amount of trust for y'all, unless there's something beyond circumstance evidence that you two haven't released yet.

If there isn't, and this highly circumstantial evidence is the reason that Khanter's NS career is tarnished, then the next time someone whines about the MT Army or Antifa targeting non-fascists, I will have to take them seriously.

You're looking at the evidence indivisually. However can it be a coincidence that a Mexican android user who has thr same writing style as Khanter is also a leader in Antifa? Also the fact that he lied about deleting another person's account just shows.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Thu May 16, 2019 3:54 am

Honeydewistania wrote:
RiderSyl wrote:Both the fascist spy and Khanter have an Android phone along with 2.3 billion other people.

The fascist spy and Khanter live in the same time zone along with 240 million other people.

The fascist spy and Khanter both speak English as a second language just like 300 million other people.

Golden Hind, you and Vipper passing this off as "solid evidence" is alarming to me, mainly because you two are leaders against the Nazi menace in NS. Those of us that believe in and support your mission statement trust you both to make sound judgement calls based on clear evidence. I won't be coming out of this with the same amount of trust for y'all, unless there's something beyond circumstance evidence that you two haven't released yet.

If there isn't, and this highly circumstantial evidence is the reason that Khanter's NS career is tarnished, then the next time someone whines about the MT Army or Antifa targeting non-fascists, I will have to take them seriously.

You're looking at the evidence indivisually. However can it be a coincidence that a Mexican android user who has thr same writing style as Khanter is also a leader in Antifa? Also the fact that he lied about deleting another person's account just shows.

A Mexican android user is likely to speak english as a second language (and so therefore have the same 'writing style') is he not?
Anyway, Antifa is still leaky. Sort it out if you want, I'd prefer you didn't but you do you.
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Postby Th Empire of Wymondham » Thu May 16, 2019 4:57 am

This "evidence" seems questionable at best. Just because Khanter is one of 200 million people who fits the description of the spy doesn't mean he is, that is an absurd conclusion do draw.
Obviously if there is more concrete evidence that would change the situation but right now these accommodations appear to be based on presumption and guesswork
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Postby Atomical Paradise » Thu May 16, 2019 5:07 am

Antifa ... A organisation "stopping hate" while at the same time oppressing other peoples opinions and making sure you are banned from the regions you are in .... Truly disgraceful.

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Postby Golden Hind » Thu May 16, 2019 6:26 am

RiderSyl wrote:Both the fascist spy and Khanter have an Android phone along with 2.3 billion other people.

The fascist spy and Khanter live in the same time zone along with 240 million other people.

The fascist spy and Khanter both speak English as a second language just like 300 million other people.


There aren't 2.3 billion people in the relevant channel of our discord. At the time there was twenty. And of those twenty, only Khanter fits the bill. Only Khanter's phone could have taken that screencap. Only Khanter is in that area. Only Khanter talks like this. Only Khanter claimed to have somehow gotten the developers of Discord to unilaterally delete the spy's Discord account.

It's a reasonable inference based on the evidence. We were dealing with a short list of suspects, and of that list only Khanter fits the bill.

I wouldn't anyone to turn out to be a spy, but I really wish it hadn't been him. I really did like him a lot. :/

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Thu May 16, 2019 6:41 am

Golden Hind wrote:
RiderSyl wrote:Both the fascist spy and Khanter have an Android phone along with 2.3 billion other people.

The fascist spy and Khanter live in the same time zone along with 240 million other people.

The fascist spy and Khanter both speak English as a second language just like 300 million other people.


There aren't 2.3 billion people in the relevant channel of our discord. At the time there was twenty. And of those twenty, only Khanter fits the bill. Only Khanter's phone could have taken that screencap. Only Khanter is in that area. Only Khanter talks like this. Only Khanter claimed to have somehow gotten the developers of Discord to unilaterally delete the spy's Discord account.

It's a reasonable inference based on the evidence. We were dealing with a short list of suspects, and of that list only Khanter fits the bill.

I wouldn't anyone to turn out to be a spy, but I really wish it hadn't been him. I really did like him a lot. :/

And has your organisation stopped being leaky?
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Postby Big Bad Badger » Thu May 16, 2019 7:00 am

Wentshire wrote:It's easy to put down the region as a whole over the past (and understandably so), but doing so and having respectable community pillars like Badger joking about the old king being in the region is extremely unhelpful and unfair to those of us who weren't here during the Shadow Wars who have been working to improve its foreign affairs and internal accountability laws; that kind of talk has also alarmed and scared some into becoming paranoid that he actually is in the region.


I wasn't joking. I think that it is just as likely that it is Don than Khanter. I think that Khanter's good name is being besmirched by KGB and the Antifa crowd for a presently unknown reason. Neither organization has a great track record, in my opinion when it comes to things. One is led by a bloodthirsty group of zealots and the other is led by incompetents.
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Postby Golden Hind » Thu May 16, 2019 7:31 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:And has your organisation stopped being leaky?


We have since executed operations without any kind of leaking of sensitive information.

Big Bad Badger wrote:I wasn't joking. I think that it is just as likely that it is Don than Khanter.


Don does not have access to the leadership channel of the Antifa discord, so he couldn't have taken screencaps of that channel. In fact as far as I'm aware he's never been in our Discord at all. I've certainly never met the guy.

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Postby Davelands » Thu May 16, 2019 7:46 am

Can we see the evidence?
Of course not. Blah blah blah, OpSec stuff, too long to redact, innocent people are named, etc... Trust us, it's real solid.

I'll wait for the info to come out before rendering an opinion. This simply does not sound like the Khanter I know well.
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Postby Tim-Opolis » Thu May 16, 2019 7:58 am

I'm willing to consider the possibility, especially considering Khanter's rather sketchy appearing behavior in all of this, but will ultimately wait until more reputable GP administrations have a chance to look at it and make an appropriate call.
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