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The Tri State Area and Maine
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Postby The Tri State Area and Maine » Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:31 am

Roavin wrote:
The Tri State Area and Maine wrote:
It does. You can't just suddenly be moralist when it benefits you.


Do I really need to show you my defender credentials?


Being a defender and being a moralist defender were two different things, last I checked.

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Lord Dominator
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Postby Lord Dominator » Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:09 am

Well, at least this is hilariously increasing the thread length
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The Holy Principality of Saint Mark
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Postby The Holy Principality of Saint Mark » Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:59 am

I am normally silent when two allies disagree, but I feel that this situation requires me to speak my mind.

I don’t understand why anyone is upset that Lazarus seems to have invaded LWU. Is this not merely turnabout? Does not a GCR have the right, even the obligation, to put a disruptive, disrespectful UCR in its place? I am surprised that Osiris would support a UCR over a fellow Sinker.

The West Pacific applauds and supports the actions of Lazarus.
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Postby New Rogernomics » Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:23 pm

Xoriet wrote:I don’t see any banjections/ejections by Lazarus. EW’s nation purged the three WA natives a few days ago as a joke. That was before Lazarus hit LWU. They also were allowed back in.
Evil Wolf's nation is also the founder, and regional controls are up to whoever holds the founder nation.

If EW decides to give more powers to the WA Delegate, then EW is welcome to do so.

I stopped moralizing over R/D ages ago...so looks like fun. :p

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Postby Kawaii Schoolgirl » Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:30 pm

The Holy Principality of Saint Mark wrote:I am normally silent when two allies disagree, but I feel that this situation requires me to speak my mind.

I don’t understand why anyone is upset that Lazarus seems to have invaded LWU. Is this not merely turnabout? Does not a GCR have the right, even the obligation, to put a disruptive, disrespectful UCR in its place? I am surprised that Osiris would support a UCR over a fellow Sinker.

The West Pacific applauds and supports the actions of Lazarus.

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TSP Foreign Office
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Postby TSP Foreign Office » Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:56 pm

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Yesterday, forces from the Lazarus "Lazcorp Security Department" invaded the sovereign region Lone Wolves United. As part of this invasion, significant native nations of that region were unceremoniously purged. While a certain animosity by Lazarus towards Lone Wolves United is understandable considering the events in the past nearly two years, the actions by Lazcorp go well beyond the usual retaliatory tag and even occupation. The ejection of two long-time natives is indicative.

The actions of invading Delegate Lost Wolves and their faction, namely the extra-judicial and illegal removal as well as defamation of innocent natives in Lone Wolves United, is as unambiguous example of an ongoing attempt to grief a region as it is possible to imagine. Claims to the contrary are nothing but the most transparent attempts at propaganda to disguise this, and no informed and objective individual could conclude otherwise. The South Pacific does not recognize the government of Lost Wolves instated at yesterday's major update, and pledge our support for the government-in-exile as represented by former Delegate of Lone Wolves United, RAEAWN.

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The Tri State Area and Maine
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Postby The Tri State Area and Maine » Tue Nov 06, 2018 4:10 pm

So they DO realize that it was a joke. Good to clarify.

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TWP Foreign Affairs Office
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Postby TWP Foreign Affairs Office » Tue Nov 06, 2018 4:16 pm

From the Foreign Affairs Ministry of The West Pacific

In The West Pacific, we whole heartily support the natural game mechanics otherwise known as: Max's Law. Therefore we view the sitting Delegate of LWU legitimate and the Lazcorp Government as the recognized government of Lone Wolves United.

Furthermore, a we view our in-game embassy with LWU as an important obligation and we will defend the Lazcorp government with all of our resolve.
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Postby Bowzin » Tue Nov 06, 2018 4:30 pm

Full on GCR war coming up? That'd be fun to watch go down lol
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Altinsane
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Postby Altinsane » Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:04 pm

The Holy Principality of Saint Mark wrote:I am normally silent when two allies disagree, but I feel that this situation requires me to speak my mind.

I don’t understand why anyone is upset that Lazarus seems to have invaded LWU. Is this not merely turnabout? Does not a GCR have the right, even the obligation, to put a disruptive, disrespectful UCR in its place? I am surprised that Osiris would support a UCR over a fellow Sinker.

The West Pacific applauds and supports the actions of Lazarus.


The obligation? Well, what do you know. Go on and pass me your handy dandy list of "disruptive" UCRs and I will get right on punishing them for their sins. I'm sure that will never be something we come to regret. At the end of the day, if you're right you're right, and if you're wrong you're wrong. I didn't want to make a big deal of this aside from generally voicing my disapproval, but after talking to some friends from NPO, they have a point. Osiris isn't going to just sit back and let Lazarus bully a bunch of kids. That is not what we stand for. I'm extremely disappointed to see this is the kind of delegate that you are going to shape up to be, Halo. Elitism is not a good look on you.

Also, as much as it pains me to say this. Hail TSP. Thank you for being kind in this ocean of pettiness and pomp. And... kind of nice to be on common ground for a change.
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Postby Tim-Opolis » Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:47 pm

I must admit, the joke is starting to lose its luster, with how over the top everyone's being about it.
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Soviet Kittystan » Tue Nov 06, 2018 9:22 pm

Tim-Opolis wrote:I must admit, the joke is starting to lose its luster, with how over the top everyone's being about it.

Clearly, they're just better at staying in context than you are.
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Postby Aclion » Tue Nov 06, 2018 9:22 pm

What joke?
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Postby Consular » Tue Nov 06, 2018 9:26 pm

The only joke I know about is Bal- Never mind. Lazarus should continue the purges!

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Postby ISG Airen Cracken » Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:10 pm

Consular wrote:The only joke I know about is Bal- Never mind.

The Balder issue actually comes in here. But in a very subtle way.

Altinsane wrote: I didn't want to make a big deal of this aside from generally voicing my disapproval, but after talking to some friends from NPO, they have a point. Osiris isn't going to just sit back and let Lazarus bully a bunch of kids. That is not what we stand for. I'm extremely disappointed to see this is the kind of delegate that you are going to shape up to be, Halo. Elitism is not a good look on you.


There's a certain paradox in all of this that I never thought I would find. All the Balder Osiris drama happened because Balder preferred to defend a UCR instead of staying on the fence. Now the Delegate of Osiris decides to defend/support a UCR instead of staying on the fence. Am I the only one who sees this?

If this is a joke, it is a joke in bad taste on the part of the Osiris delegate.

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Lord Dominator
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Postby Lord Dominator » Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:13 pm

ISG Airen Cracken wrote:If this is a joke, it is a joke in bad taste on the part of the Osiris delegate.

The joke here isn't something limited to Osiris, nor created by them
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Altinsane
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Moralistic Democracy

Postby Altinsane » Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:12 am

ISG Airen Cracken wrote:
Altinsane wrote: I didn't want to make a big deal of this aside from generally voicing my disapproval, but after talking to some friends from NPO, they have a point. Osiris isn't going to just sit back and let Lazarus bully a bunch of kids. That is not what we stand for. I'm extremely disappointed to see this is the kind of delegate that you are going to shape up to be, Halo. Elitism is not a good look on you.


There's a certain paradox in all of this that I never thought I would find. All the Balder Osiris drama happened because Balder preferred to defend a UCR instead of staying on the fence. Now the Delegate of Osiris decides to defend/support a UCR instead of staying on the fence. Am I the only one who sees this?

If this is a joke, it is a joke in bad taste on the part of the Osiris delegate.


I do famously have terrible taste. I never kissed any girls and liked it, but I did drink orange juice after brushing my teeth once and thought it was okay.

That's a creative reading, but also a gross oversimplification and misunderstanding of the issue between Osiris and Balder. Userites are Userites not because of who they are, but because of what they do. We don't take offense to the existence of UCRs and pout if anyone agrees with them. That's very silly. If Osiris were going to make fun of the imperialist triangle it would be in much poorer taste than this. ;)
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The Holy Principality of Saint Mark
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Corporate Bordello

Postby The Holy Principality of Saint Mark » Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:07 am

Altinsane wrote:
The Holy Principality of Saint Mark wrote:I am normally silent when two allies disagree, but I feel that this situation requires me to speak my mind.

I don’t understand why anyone is upset that Lazarus seems to have invaded LWU. Is this not merely turnabout? Does not a GCR have the right, even the obligation, to put a disruptive, disrespectful UCR in its place? I am surprised that Osiris would support a UCR over a fellow Sinker.

The West Pacific applauds and supports the actions of Lazarus.


The obligation? Well, what do you know. Go on and pass me your handy dandy list of "disruptive" UCRs and I will get right on punishing them for their sins. I'm sure that will never be something we come to regret. At the end of the day, if you're right you're right, and if you're wrong you're wrong. I didn't want to make a big deal of this aside from generally voicing my disapproval, but after talking to some friends from NPO, they have a point. Osiris isn't going to just sit back and let Lazarus bully a bunch of kids. That is not what we stand for. I'm extremely disappointed to see this is the kind of delegate that you are going to shape up to be, Halo. Elitism is not a good look on you.

Also, as much as it pains me to say this. Hail TSP. Thank you for being kind in this ocean of pettiness and pomp. And... kind of nice to be on common ground for a change.


While I understand how you might think my position is elitist, in my mind it only reflects how things are.

In this particular case, Lazarus’ actions are perfectly justified given the history of the relationship between it and LWU.

LWU invaded and mocked them!

Supporting Lazarus here is the right thing to do and The West Pacific will enact all measures to ensure that they receive no interference.
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Postby Feux » Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:57 am

Dumb, fake justice. EW should hand over his found account and have his badge repealed.
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Postby McChimp » Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:38 pm

Altinsane wrote:That's a creative reading, but also a gross oversimplification and misunderstanding of the issue between Osiris and Balder. Userites are Userites not because of who they are, but because of what they do. We don't take offense to the existence of UCRs and pout if anyone agrees with them. That's very silly. If Osiris were going to make fun of the imperialist triangle it would be in much poorer taste than this. ;)


Is it the position of Osiris that LWU, a UCR which couped and subverted a sovereign GCR in order to pursue their own agenda, is not a userite organisation? Do you think that their failure is cause for forgiveness?
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Postby Alkasia » Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:44 pm

Shame that EW is in on this, I rather enjoyed watching Laz get payback on LWU's transgressions. Oh well.

Feux wrote:Dumb, fake justice. EW should hand over his found account and have his badge repealed.

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Postby All Wild Things » Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:21 pm

TSP Foreign Office wrote:...The ejection of two long-time natives ...

Just a reminder that there are no natives in UCRs, only immigrants. Even the founders are immigrants.

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Postby Lord Dominator » Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:35 pm

All Wild Things wrote:
TSP Foreign Office wrote:...The ejection of two long-time natives ...

Just a reminder that there are no natives in UCRs, only immigrants. Even the founders are immigrants.

Natives are a fiction.
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Postby KhanterWinters » Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:37 pm

TSP Foreign Office wrote:
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Yesterday, forces from the Lazarus "Lazcorp Security Department" invaded the sovereign region Lone Wolves United. As part of this invasion, significant native nations of that region were unceremoniously purged. While a certain animosity by Lazarus towards Lone Wolves United is understandable considering the events in the past nearly two years, the actions by Lazcorp go well beyond the usual retaliatory tag and even occupation. The ejection of two long-time natives is indicative.

The actions of invading Delegate Lost Wolves and their faction, namely the extra-judicial and illegal removal as well as defamation of innocent natives in Lone Wolves United, is as unambiguous example of an ongoing attempt to grief a region as it is possible to imagine. Claims to the contrary are nothing but the most transparent attempts at propaganda to disguise this, and no informed and objective individual could conclude otherwise. The South Pa-snip-.

Signed,
The Cabin.. -snip-


As part of this invasion, significant native nations of that region were unceremoniously purged.
The ejection of two long-time natives is indicative.
The actions of invading Delegate Lost Wolves and their faction, namely the extra-judicial and illegal removal as well as defamation of innocent natives in Lone Wolves United


I could be new, in some disturbing shady stuff in NSGP... However, because that I am just wondering stuff...

Looking into the Regional Activity Log, I do not see The New Delegate, Lost Wolves Ejecting Any Native:

5/11/2018 11:30:35 GMT-6: Lost Wolves became WA Delegate of Lone Wolves United.
5/11/2018 11:50:39 GMT-6: Evil Wolf granted Appearance and Border Control authority to the WA Delegate Lost Wolves in Lone Wolves United.
5/11/2018 11:51:22 GMT-6: Evil Wolf altered its national flag.
5/11/2018 11:52:24 GMT-6: Evil Wolf changed its national motto to "I just do what I'm told [LWU]" and its nation type to "Lazarene Subordinate".
5/11/2018 12:02:18 GMT-6: Lost Wolves altered the regional flag of Lone Wolves United.
5/11/2018 12:18:44 GMT-6: Lost Wolves updated the World Factbook entry in Lone Wolves United.
5/11/2018 12:19:04 GMT-6: Lost Wolves updated the World Factbook entry in Lone Wolves United.

And the Ejected people, as I can see in the same Regional Activity Log, were not ejected by the Delegate, and that actions were 3 days before. Ergo there is no such blame (I believe):

2/11/2018 20:04:14 GMT-6: RAEAWN was ejected and banned from Lone Wolves United by Evil Wolf.
2/11/2018 20:04:16 GMT-6: RAEAWN relocated from Lone Wolves United to The Rejected Realms.
2/11/2018 20:04:49 GMT-6: Rayo de Sol was ejected and banned from Lone Wolves United by Evil Wolf.
2/11/2018 20:04:49 GMT-6: Rayo de Sol relocated from Lone Wolves United to The Rejected Realms.
[...]
2/11/2018 22:43:26 GMT-6: Nolandisland seized the position of Lone Wolves United WA Delegate from RAEAWN.

(Besides that TRR got 2 Proly new Citizens... (?) )

and one day later, another got ejected, but still was not the Delegate, and same day the other 2, got their ban Removed:

3/11/2018 12:34:37 GMT-6: Nolandisland was ejected and banned from Lone Wolves United by Evil Wolf.
3/11/2018 12:34:37 GMT-6: Nolandisland relocated from Lone Wolves United to The Rejected Realms.
3/11/2018 12:35:00 GMT-6: Evil Wolf removed RAEAWN from the regional ban list in Lone Wolves United.
3/11/2018 12:35:00 GMT-6: RAEAWN was removed from the regional ban list of Lone Wolves United by Evil Wolf.
3/11/2018 12:35:13 GMT-6: Evil Wolf removed Rayo de Sol from the regional ban list in Lone Wolves United.
3/11/2018 12:35:13 GMT-6: Rayo de Sol was removed from the regional ban list of Lone Wolves United by Evil Wolf.

Did I miss something in their Activity Log? Even if this was part of this greatful operation, the claims about ejecting natives should not be going to Lost Wolves.

Also, the 2 first ejected, could in that time get back to their "native-land(?)" but they did not.


It is NationStates, I have the believes that no-one is clear of any -taint-, by some way or another, everyone has something to be proud, or be ashamed, people thirsty of power, people judging old friends by elitism, people misunderstanding words, people claiming Raids, Defends, or even playing double, spying other Orgs, ect.
Even the so called Natives, who Guarantee you, that they do not have another puppet, "Another life", as LD Said, Natives are a fiction, and even if so, Natives are not innocent. Alti says that a bunch of kids have been bullied by Laz, and how many kids would be in laz, Osi, TSP, TI, TGW, ect? LWU did raids is not it? at least as I remember I've participate as supporter in some raids by them, so under that statement, LWU bullied kids before, and before doing this I was looking and looking and I do not see anyone making a statements and drama against LWU by their previous operations. That a Big fish Raid a small one? There is always a big one. And I do bet that behind each account of these kids at least 2 or 3 has a nation in Osi, TSP or Laz. So Carry on, and lets see what comes next.

So... again, Did I miss something between all this drama that came up at this greatful operation of Lazarus?
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Postby New Rogernomics » Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:16 pm

Tim-Opolis wrote:I must admit, the joke is starting to lose its luster, with how over the top everyone's being about it.
Especially since it is Evil Wolf's region, and he can pretty much do as he wants with it, including give powers to a WA Delegate. Further, I doubt Lost Wolves has the regional influence to really eject long-term natives.
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TSP Foreign Office wrote:...The ejection of two long-time natives ...

Just a reminder that there are no natives in UCRs, only immigrants. Even the founders are immigrants.
'Native' semantics are always fun. I had a few semantic discussions over what 'natives' are, when Osiris was first created all those years ago.
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