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Yokiria
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Postby Yokiria » Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:59 am

New Vedan wrote:Jesus what did Unibot do to deserve so much hate?

It's against the rules of this website to discuss what he did. As Ike said, those with knowledge of NS history can fill you in through off-site platforms.

New Rogernomics wrote:So I would assume she was encouraging Unibot to put in an application, not approving his citizenship.

While encouraging Unibot to apply would've been a big WTF moment in itself, the part where she "encouraged" him with the promise of a doorway back into mainstream GP was even more shocking. I feel like I know Imaginary fairly well. I don't believe this was anything more than an innocent mistake on her part.

As for everything else in your post, and what McChimp posted: I'm glad that this wasn't what it seemed, and that Unibot is not being simply accepted into Lazarus on a whim. I hope there's more communication between Lazarenes in the future so that we don't all get thrown for a loop again.
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Postby New Rogernomics » Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:01 am

What I said was a rough overview.

The citizenship act is here: https://lazarusns.com/showthread.php?ti ... 72#pid8372
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Ikania
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Postby Ikania » Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:04 am

I trust that Imaginary just made a simple error without proper knowledge of the situation. No harm, no foul. At the very least this will serve as a reminder to other players.
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Unibot III
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Postby Unibot III » Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:09 am

Custadia wrote:
Unibot III wrote:I think you should discuss this decision with other Lazarenes if you haven't already.


I'd like to clarify that she hasn't discussed this with other Lazarenes and that Imaginary does not decide who recieves citizenship or whose OOC conduct is permissible on our offsite property.


I suspected as much. I imagine there's just been a misunderstanding here - no harm, no foul. I wouldn't have accepted a path of citizenship that didn't have the acceptance of the community at large and wasn't in line with the existing regional law and administrative protocol.
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Postby Your Imaginary Friend » Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:56 am

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Contents:

LazCorp Development Team Feb. 2020 Election Results
who knew on-site could be so classy?

From Management
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Legislative Lasagne
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the goings ons in Osiris and The West Pacific

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Postby Your Imaginary Friend » Sun Mar 08, 2020 2:50 am

Gah I hate online video makers soo much. Apologies for the vague tardiness of this broadcast. :P

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This Week:

  • On a recent invitation to Unibot
  • Osiris' withdrawal from the NPO war
  • New Laz cabinet in the kitchen
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Postby Your Imaginary Friend » Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:11 am

This episode's topic group was mainly the result of Agalesia of the Academy of the South Pacific. :)

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  • [SPECIAL] Three Slices of Lazarene History
    a) Some partying friends
    b) Living in Imkiville
    c) Going to war
  • Imki gonna be like those Birds
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Postby Your Imaginary Friend » Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:58 pm

*sleepy eyes*

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This Week:

  • Should Cormac be commended and condemned?
  • Behind and ahead of the story polls
  • Canton Empire: i hate u, i love u NS
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Canton Empire
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Postby Canton Empire » Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:30 pm

It’s definitely a surprise to be mentioned after largely retreating from active NSGP participation, but a welcome one.

I don’t think I’m alone in finding this game insanely infuriating at times, yet, we stay for the friends we’ve made.
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Veaetmar
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Postby Veaetmar » Sun Mar 22, 2020 2:47 am

Your Imaginary Friend wrote:snip


This is excellent!
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Fauxia
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Postby Fauxia » Sun Mar 22, 2020 12:58 pm

Canton Empire wrote:It’s definitely a surprise to be mentioned after largely retreating from active NSGP participation, but a welcome one.

I don’t think I’m alone in finding this game insanely infuriating at times, yet, we stay for the friends we’ve made.

Where is the meme?
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Postby Your Imaginary Friend » Sun Mar 22, 2020 7:41 pm

Canton Empire wrote:It’s definitely a surprise to be mentioned after largely retreating from active NSGP participation, but a welcome one.

I don’t think I’m alone in finding this game insanely infuriating at times, yet, we stay for the friends we’ve made.

My goal is to song spotlight the most random players ever, so if you're surprised then I'm happy! :D Everyone has a story and experiences that are interesting, regardless of how well known they are.

As far as ugh game/yay frens, I've been thinking a lot about that particular aspect of this site recently. Many of the best friends that I've made here have moved on to other pursuits and it's starting to feel like if I want to hang around the community I've always assumed I was here for, I'll have to cut myself into pieces and scatter them across the internet to stay with all the folks I care about. Staying here isn't about staying with my friends anymore, so I'm left wondering what about NationStates itself makes me individually so un-eager to leave. Maybe just because I have met so many awesome folks that I figure the future here can only bring more? x) Or maybe the actual gameplay is something I wouldn't want to part with.
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Thanks!
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Your Imaginary Friend
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Postby Your Imaginary Friend » Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:09 pm

The neutral sphere over all! >:)

Phoenix Flyer | Broadcast 5


This Week:

  • Is a world fair going to happen this year?
  • LazCorp takes a stand for Neutrality
  • Kyorgia: Pride of MLP
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Unibot III
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Postby Unibot III » Sun Mar 29, 2020 8:54 am

Your Imaginary Friend wrote:The neutral sphere over all! >:)

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This Week:

  • Is a world fair going to happen this year?
  • LazCorp takes a stand for Neutrality
  • Kyorgia: Pride of MLP


Whoa? LazCorp is calling any “non-neutral” region, a ‘hostile’ organization to Lazarus? What were all the attempts about re-building relations with TRR about if you consider TRR, hostile?

Is the ‘Pax Poukai’ with TSP being ripped up?

(Is Independentism included as a non-neutral ideology? I might have misheard.)

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I think this is a disappointing turn for the region, you’re pushing your ideology on other regions citing historic wrongs. It’s also an illogical premise: if the absence of neutrality made neutrals feel uncomfortable in pre-LazCorp Lazarus, how does declaring everyone else ‘hostile’ make non-neutrals in Lazarus feel except also uncomfortable?

It’s also a rather poor way to treat regions that have only ever fought to preserve peace and freedom in Lazarus during the NPO occupation and the Civil War.

For years, TRR and Lazarus maintained a close, respectful alliance despite TRR being closely associated with the FRA and ADN, and Lazarus being decidedly neutral. Now you’re saying that ideology is a more important basis for an alliance than mutual interest, security, peace, heritage, culture, and good government.

Funny enough, this neo-neutralism borrows heavily from Francoism and the ‘Feederite struggle’ — the ideology that disrupted and subjugated Lazarus for years. LazCorp is quickly becoming something that A Mean Old Man and Feux would have supported. A Mean Old Man himself could have written this ideological directive. The reality is lots of non-neutrals have contributed years of good service to Lazarus with the best of intentions, many non-neutral regions — far from hostile — have been friends and partners of Lazarus, and this radical neo-neutrality bears more than a passing resemblance to the fundamentalism that drove NPO expansionism into Lazarus.
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Xoriet
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Xoriet » Sun Mar 29, 2020 9:27 am

While it's a strong move to differentiate Lazarus from the rest, it seems a little unwise to unilaterally sever all ties with regions that have been good friends to you like TSP and Osiris over ideologies they haven't pressed on you. Is there any reason why Lazarus is so adamantly determined to cut ties with strong allies that have supported it since the initial seizure of the region from the Khanate?
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Fauxia
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Postby Fauxia » Sun Mar 29, 2020 9:54 am

Lazarus: Ebil ideologies exclude people!
Lazarus: Let’s exclude everyone with an ideology and alienate literally every other GCR!
O_o

Very cool.

This is not how you achieve stability.

Also, if you have a military that doesn’t raid or defend... what do you use your military for?

Inb4 Lazarus begins to construct the "neutral Empire" by attempting to coup GCRs to be "neutral".

Well, it’s fair. Lazarus has had enough coups. It’s time to start couping. I think I support this.
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Kuriko
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Postby Kuriko » Sun Mar 29, 2020 9:55 am

You know, I worked hard to re-establish relations with Lazarus during my last term as delegate and worked hard to convince the Council that re-opening relations was a good idea. Now, we're being labeled as a "hostile" entity despite nothing but good-will between our regions and our work to help Lazarus in 2015. I'll be bringing up termination of relations between Lazarus and XKI to the Council of 9. I'm kind of saddened by these actions from a region I once considered one of my three main home regions.
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Toerana
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Postby Toerana » Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:23 am

Fauxia wrote:Also, if you have a military that doesn’t raid or defend... what do you use your military for?

Raiding warzones, but that's not proper raiding so it's okay.

Definitely interesting to read reactions though.

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Fauxia
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Postby Fauxia » Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:28 am

Toerana wrote:
Fauxia wrote:Also, if you have a military that doesn’t raid or defend... what do you use your military for?

Raiding warzones, but that's not proper raiding so it's okay.

Definitely interesting to read reactions though.

I prefer my explanation.
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Kingdom of Napels
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Moralistic Democracy

Postby Kingdom of Napels » Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:00 am

Lazarus, nor it’s government, has any obligation to justify or explain it’s actions to those of hostile ideology. They have never proven themselves to have the best interests of our region in mind - only neutrality has ever proven itself an ideology that served our interests, and we will maintain that such regions are trustworthy allies. Henceforth, we will be seeking closer relations with those regions, and distance ourself of other, more agressive ideologies.

That said, I encourage concerned allies and embassy partners to seek contact through private means. While we owe nothing to those regions harbouring ideologies hostile to our interests, we’d be glad to elaborate on our reasoning and the actions that will be taken shortly.

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Fauxia
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Postby Fauxia » Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:02 am

Hail, the Newest Lazarene Order!
Reploid Productions wrote:Unfortunately, Max still won't buy the mods elite ninja assassin squads to use, so... no such luck.
Sandaoguo wrote:GP is a den of cynics and nihilists
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Altino
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Founded: Jul 04, 2016
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Altino » Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:03 am

Chase your bliss, tbh. A regional military should serve toward the common good and ultimate goals of a region. If a military ideology is detrimental - even inconvenient - for the region at large, it doesn't belong. In the war between raider and defender, Laz lives its best life when it's true to itself and the needs of its natives. If you're more loyal to an ideology than your home, that sounds like a personal problem. And regions who can't support Lazarus as they take an ideological stand toward what they believe is best for their success don't support Lazarus at all.
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Kuriko
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Postby Kuriko » Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:06 am

Altino wrote:Chase your bliss, tbh. A regional military should serve toward the common good and ultimate goals of a region. If a military ideology is detrimental - even inconvenient - for the region at large, it doesn't belong. In the war between raider and defender, Laz lives its best life when it's true to itself and the needs of its natives. If you're more loyal to an ideology than your home, that sounds like a personal problem. And regions who can't support Lazarus as they take an ideological stand toward what they believe is best for their success don't support Lazarus at all.

How are we supposed to support them in their stance when they're labeling us as hostile? Sure, if they weren't labeling us as such we'd be happy to support it. But we're hostile to them apparently.
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Numero Capitan
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Postby Numero Capitan » Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:11 am

*checks calendar*
Minister of Defense, 00000 A World Power
Minister of Intelligence, FRA
Potato General
Senator and Attorney General, Europeia
Minister of Security and Minister of Justice, The South Pacific
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Altino
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Altino » Sun Mar 29, 2020 12:07 pm

Kuriko wrote:
Altino wrote:Chase your bliss, tbh. A regional military should serve toward the common good and ultimate goals of a region. If a military ideology is detrimental - even inconvenient - for the region at large, it doesn't belong. In the war between raider and defender, Laz lives its best life when it's true to itself and the needs of its natives. If you're more loyal to an ideology than your home, that sounds like a personal problem. And regions who can't support Lazarus as they take an ideological stand toward what they believe is best for their success don't support Lazarus at all.

How are we supposed to support them in their stance when they're labeling us as hostile? Sure, if they weren't labeling us as such we'd be happy to support it. But we're hostile to them apparently.


Is this something you've spoken to them about one-on-one? Or did you just flock to the forum to express your outrage? Seems like that may be a bit of the point they are making.
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