Embassy of Lazarus + News

[Pierconium]

Thank you for the coal. It gets cold in Pierconium during the winter.

Tsk, Tsk, no solar panels there?

It’s free coal. Why spend money on infrastructure if Lazarus is giving us natural resources for free?

[Lord Dominator]

Also, what’s Communist Americas?

Region that you (NPO) all fash-bashed, and then left a WFE claiming it was done to crush userites. IE, something that I assume Perg was involved in putting up

[North Prarie]

I'm not a Lazarene, but if you need me to write for you, I will! It seems like you're a bit short on staff...

[Pierconium]

Also, what’s Communist Americas?

Region that you (NPO) all fash-bashed, and then left a WFE claiming it was done to crush userites. IE, something that I assume Perg was involved in putting up

Meh. Not sure why it is labelled a protectorate. We are out of that business anyway. Also, I guess mentioning that the Milograd region was not allied to the NPO is pointless as well?

[Jar Wattinree]

Also, I guess mentioning that the Milograd region was not allied to the NPO is pointless as well?

Sure looks like it. Accuracy is not a highlight in APCNN journalism.

[New Rogernomics]

Region that you (NPO) all fash-bashed, and then left a WFE claiming it was done to crush userites. IE, something that I assume Perg was involved in putting up

Meh. Not sure why it is labelled a protectorate. We are out of that business anyway. Also, I guess mentioning that the Milograd region was not allied to the NPO is pointless as well?

It is labelled as an ally, not a protectorate, as you can read in the public topic: https://nslazarus.com/showthread.php?tid=562

It could have been clearer, but the plural protectorates was intended to be applied to the first two, and an ally to the last region mentioned.

Also, I guess mentioning that the Milograd region was not allied to the NPO is pointless as well?

Sure looks like it. Accuracy is not a highlight in APCNN journalism.

It is reported as described in passed legislation. So accuracy is to be taken up with the writers of the legislation itself.

[Jar Wattinree]

Sure looks like it. Accuracy is not a highlight in APCNN journalism.

It is reported as described in passed legislation. So accuracy is to be taken up with the writers of the legislation itself.

You need editorial notes then to fix these inaccuracies. You can keep the original content as reported without sacrificing accuracy due to changing events.

[New Rogernomics]

It is reported as described in passed legislation. So accuracy is to be taken up with the writers of the legislation itself.

You need editorial notes then to fix these inaccuracies. You can keep the original content as reported without sacrificing accuracy due to changing events.

It is how the legislation is written. I can't make something that you believe is the case happen in the legislation of someone else. It is not inaccurate to state what is, nor is it the job of the Gazette to get the opinion of a hostile region on every claim that the citizens of Lazarus might make. It isn't the job of the Gazette to spread NPO propaganda or the NPO perspective either...that's yours.

[Pierconium]

Meh. Not sure why it is labelled a protectorate. We are out of that business anyway. Also, I guess mentioning that the Milograd region was not allied to the NPO is pointless as well?

It is labelled as an ally, not a protectorate, as you can read in the public topic: https://nslazarus.com/showthread.php?tid=562

It could have been clearer, but the plural protectorates was intended to be applied to the first two, and an ally to the last region mentioned.

Both of those positions are incorrect, which is the point of my post. Communist Americas has never been a ‘protectorate’ of the Pacific, no such treaty has ever been written, and the other region was never an ‘ally’ of the Pacific, no treaty between a region founded and run by nations that have been removed from NPO government has ever been written. Your public declaration making claims of de facto status is patently and provably incorrect. The Pacific has never made any overture of alliance towards that region so it isn’t a reality in practice, as your statement declares.

It wasn’t that the writer was unclear, it is that what is written is wrong.

It is also unfortunate that the Lazarene Assembly can’t be bothered to fact-check proposals that it votes on but that is just a personal opinion.

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

Azhukali was never an ally, protectorate or had anything to do with the NPO. The unfortunate presence of former NPOers in the region made it a legitimate target, but as someone who was in the region and helped set it up, and is in the successor region Greater Azhukali as Tordeo, quite frankly the idea that I or The Grim Reaper would allow Azhukali to be used by gameplayers to subvert GCRs is laughable.

[Cormactopia Prime]

Azhukali was never an ally, protectorate or had anything to do with the NPO. The unfortunate presence of former NPOers in the region made it a legitimate target, but as someone who was in the region and helped set it up, and is in the successor region Greater Azhukali as Tordeo, quite frankly the idea that I or The Grim Reaper would allow Azhukali to be used by gameplayers to subvert GCRs is laughable.

Neither you nor The Grim Reaper were the Founder or Delegate of Azhukali. I don't think anyone thinks either of you would willingly let a region be used to subvert GCRs, but neither of you were in a position to do anything about it either. Azhukali was classified as a de facto ally of the NPO based on the longtime association of its Founder and Delegate with the NPO. Granted, the NPO has banned them, but they have banned them before only to let them return later, calling into question whether they -- and Feux especially -- are ever really at odds with the NPO, or if it's all just an act.

It's worth noting that this resolution was passed in part to allow participation in the prior APC operation against Azhukali, not initiate a new one.

In regard to the separate question of whether Communist Americas was a de facto NPO protectorate, an issue raised by Pierconium, if the region had an NPO WFE, an embassy with the Pacific, NPO Regional Officers, and was locked down by NPO forces, I think it's safe to say it was in fact under the protection of the NPO. The ties between Communist Americas and the NPO had not yet been erased at the time the resolution was passed by the Lazarene Assembly, something the NPO did only after Lord Dominator posted a Liberate Communist Americas proposal for review in the Security Council forum.

[Pierconium]

Azhukali was never an ally, protectorate or had anything to do with the NPO. The unfortunate presence of former NPOers in the region made it a legitimate target, but as someone who was in the region and helped set it up, and is in the successor region Greater Azhukali as Tordeo, quite frankly the idea that I or The Grim Reaper would allow Azhukali to be used by gameplayers to subvert GCRs is laughable.

Neither you nor The Grim Reaper were the Founder or Delegate of Azhukali. I don't think anyone thinks either of you would willingly let a region be used to subvert GCRs, but neither of you were in a position to do anything about it either. Azhukali was classified as a de facto ally of the NPO based on the longtime association of its Founder and Delegate with the NPO. Granted, the NPO has banned them, but they have banned them before only to let them return later, calling into question whether they -- and Feux especially -- are ever really at odds with the NPO, or if it's all just an act.

It's worth noting that this resolution was passed in part to allow participation in the prior APC operation against Azhukali, not initiate a new one.

In regard to the separate question of whether Communist Americas was a de facto NPO protectorate, an issue raised by Pierconium, if the region had an NPO WFE, an embassy with the Pacific, NPO Regional Officers, and was locked down by NPO forces, I think it's safe to say it was in fact under the protection of the NPO. The ties between Communist Americas and the NPO had not yet been erased at the time the resolution was passed by the Lazarene Assembly, something the NPO did only after Lord Dominator posted a Liberate Communist Americas proposal for review in the Security Council forum.

As an associated nation of my own was a prominent member of government in the North Pacific for a considerable length of time that makes TNP a de facto ally of the Pacific by your logic, correct? Any past association means current de facto diplomatic relations evidently.

[New Rogernomics]

Neither you nor The Grim Reaper were the Founder or Delegate of Azhukali. I don't think anyone thinks either of you would willingly let a region be used to subvert GCRs, but neither of you were in a position to do anything about it either. Azhukali was classified as a de facto ally of the NPO based on the longtime association of its Founder and Delegate with the NPO. Granted, the NPO has banned them, but they have banned them before only to let them return later, calling into question whether they -- and Feux especially -- are ever really at odds with the NPO, or if it's all just an act.

It's worth noting that this resolution was passed in part to allow participation in the prior APC operation against Azhukali, not initiate a new one.

In regard to the separate question of whether Communist Americas was a de facto NPO protectorate, an issue raised by Pierconium, if the region had an NPO WFE, an embassy with the Pacific, NPO Regional Officers, and was locked down by NPO forces, I think it's safe to say it was in fact under the protection of the NPO. The ties between Communist Americas and the NPO had not yet been erased at the time the resolution was passed by the Lazarene Assembly, something the NPO did only after Lord Dominator posted a Liberate Communist Americas proposal for review in the Security Council forum.

As an associated nation of my own was a prominent member of government in the North Pacific for a considerable length of time that makes TNP a de facto ally of the Pacific by your logic, correct? Any past association means current de facto diplomatic relations evidently.

No it doesn't. The Assembly would have to vote to declare a region as an ally or defacto ally of The Pacific, till then it is just opinions of private citizens. Nor is it the role of the Lazarene government to decide what citizens want to vote for. Hypothetically, all the claims could be incorrect but the Assembly is well within it's powers to vote for it.

[Pierconium]

As an associated nation of my own was a prominent member of government in the North Pacific for a considerable length of time that makes TNP a de facto ally of the Pacific by your logic, correct? Any past association means current de facto diplomatic relations evidently.

No it doesn't. The Assembly would have to vote to declare a region as an ally or defacto ally of The Pacific, till then it is just opinions of private citizens. Nor is it the role of the Lazarene government to decide what citizens want to vote for. Hypothetically, all the claims could be incorrect but the Assembly is well within it's powers to vote for it.

I did not realise you spoke for Cormac. My apologies, I will direct my inquiries regarding his logic to you from now on.

For the record, I was not speaking of Lazarus as a whole's logic, as that would be...illogical. Cormac provided his own reasoning that since Milograd was historically associated with the NPO that he is therefore always associated with the NPO. I asked for clarification regarding other nations. I could have asked if he was still associated with the NPO as well since he was once a member... Either way, the position remains the same. Pointing to nations that have been removed from the NPO and stating 'facts' such as any region they are associated with in the future is therefore a de facto ally of the Pacific doesn't make a lot of sense.

But you are correct, the Lazarene Assembly is welcome to vote on whatever it wishes, valid or not.

[New Rogernomics]

No it doesn't. The Assembly would have to vote to declare a region as an ally or defacto ally of The Pacific, till then it is just opinions of private citizens. Nor is it the role of the Lazarene government to decide what citizens want to vote for. Hypothetically, all the claims could be incorrect but the Assembly is well within it's powers to vote for it.

I did not realise you spoke for Cormac. My apologies, I will direct my inquiries regarding his logic to you from now on.

For the record, I was not speaking of Lazarus as a whole's logic, as that would be...illogical. Cormac provided his own reasoning that since Milograd was historically associated with the NPO that he is therefore always associated with the NPO. I asked for clarification regarding other nations. I could have asked if he was still associated with the NPO as well since he was once a member... Either way, the position remains the same. Pointing to nations that have been removed from the NPO and stating 'facts' such as any region they are associated with in the future is therefore a de facto ally of the Pacific doesn't make a lot of sense.

But you are correct, the Lazarene Assembly is welcome to vote on whatever it wishes, valid or not.

I didn't say I was speaking for Cormac, though I heavily doubt that Cormac came to this position alone or without evidence. Lazarene law doesn't allow for military action to be directed without vote.

[Arlo]

It is reported as described in passed legislation. So accuracy is to be taken up with the writers of the legislation itself.

You need editorial notes then to fix these inaccuracies. You can keep the original content as reported without sacrificing accuracy due to changing events.

Why?

We owe you nothing.

Go back to drinking your kool-aid.

It is also unfortunate that the Lazarene Assembly can’t be bothered to fact-check proposals that it votes on but that is just a personal opinion.

It is also unfortunate that previous Emperors of the Pacific allowed certain callous member of the Senate to basically ruin the NPO's reputation forever but that is just a personal opinion.

[Altmoras]

It is also unfortunate that the Lazarene Assembly can’t be bothered to fact-check proposals that it votes on but that is just a personal opinion.

What's real unfortunate is that the NPO can't seem to go 5 minutes without a state sponsored or encouraged attack on Lazarene sovereignty. If you guys manage to keep your hands off of it all year that would make 2019 the first year since like 2012 or somewhere around there that the NPO hasn't either subverted or outright attacked Lazarus.

[Pierconium]

It is also unfortunate that the Lazarene Assembly can’t be bothered to fact-check proposals that it votes on but that is just a personal opinion.

It is also unfortunate that previous Emperors of the Pacific allowed certain callous member of the Senate to basically ruin the NPO's reputation forever but that is just a personal opinion.

Not an opinion I wholly disagree with.

[Pierconium]

It is also unfortunate that the Lazarene Assembly can’t be bothered to fact-check proposals that it votes on but that is just a personal opinion.

What's real unfortunate is that the NPO can't seem to go 5 minutes without a state sponsored or encouraged attack on Lazarene sovereignty. If you guys manage to keep your hands off of it all year that would make 2019 the first year since like 2012 or somewhere around there that the NPO hasn't either subverted or outright attacked Lazarus.

I believe Lazarus has declared war on the Pacific. While I will not dispute the past wrongs the NPO has instigated against Lazarus, they are not directly relevant to anything that might occur this year as a result of ongoing hostilities. That is not to state the NPO is seeking to attack Lazarus, but the idea of Lazarus somehow being ‘hands off’ in a period of open aggression just seems a bit odd.

[Altmoras]

What's real unfortunate is that the NPO can't seem to go 5 minutes without a state sponsored or encouraged attack on Lazarene sovereignty. If you guys manage to keep your hands off of it all year that would make 2019 the first year since like 2012 or somewhere around there that the NPO hasn't either subverted or outright attacked Lazarus.

I believe Lazarus has declared war on the Pacific. While I will not dispute the past wrongs the NPO has instigated against Lazarus, they are not directly relevant to anything that might occur this year as a result of ongoing hostilities. That is not to state the NPO is seeking to attack Lazarus, but the idea of Lazarus somehow being ‘hands off’ in a period of open aggression just seems a bit odd.

After being dicked around for that long can you blame them?

And I'm not suggesting you'd declare Lazarus be hands-off either, attacking Lazarus is one of the most well practiced operations in the NPO playbook, idk what you guys would do if you didn't attack Lazarus.

And now that I think of it, it was rather silly of Lazarus to declare war instead of just recognizing hostilities in the years long campaign the NPO has been conducting against Laz.

[New Rogernomics]

I believe Lazarus has declared war on the Pacific. While I will not dispute the past wrongs the NPO has instigated against Lazarus, they are not directly relevant to anything that might occur this year as a result of ongoing hostilities. That is not to state the NPO is seeking to attack Lazarus, but the idea of Lazarus somehow being ‘hands off’ in a period of open aggression just seems a bit odd.

After being dicked around for that long can you blame them?

And I'm not suggesting you'd declare Lazarus be hands-off either, attacking Lazarus is one of the most well practiced operations in the NPO playbook, idk what you guys would do if you didn't attack Lazarus.

And now that I think of it, it was rather silly of Lazarus to declare war instead of just recognizing hostilities in the years long campaign the NPO has been conducting against Laz.

The Lazarene government decided that the best way was to put the war to a conscience vote of the Assembly, rather than for the cabinet and Delegate to strongly advocate for one position or the other. That said, Lazarus has varying degrees of opinion on how to conduct the war against The New Pacific Order, with some wanting to just oppose them in general, and others wanting a hot war where we use all avenues against the New Pacific Order.

The reason why Lazarus couldn't outright recognize the hostility conducted against the Humane Republic and Celestial Union was due to legislation passed, which effectively denied that the current Lazarene administration was a successor state. What Lazarus could do however is take events and actions of New Pacific Order citizens into account, and decide whether or not we should trust them, or concede to the argument that we simply couldn't have a diplomatic relationship with them without them stabbing us in the back eventually.

Ultimately, how far the war progresses is up to how it escalates. Right now at the very least the New Pacific Order and Lazarus are in a cold war, as while we are at war with them, it hasn't taken the form of us attempting to raid/invade the NPO directly. We haven't escalated action to more than allowing our citizens of their own accord to participate in operations against the New Pacific Order, and that activity hasn't been directed by the Lazarene government.

This may change with Lazarus developing it's own military force, though thus far it seems that proxy-war raids/interventions are on the table.

[Kingdom of Napels]

What's real unfortunate is that the NPO can't seem to go 5 minutes without a state sponsored or encouraged attack on Lazarene sovereignty. If you guys manage to keep your hands off of it all year that would make 2019 the first year since like 2012 or somewhere around there that the NPO hasn't either subverted or outright attacked Lazarus.

I believe Lazarus has declared war on the Pacific. While I will not dispute the past wrongs the NPO has instigated against Lazarus, they are not directly relevant to anything that might occur this year as a result of ongoing hostilities. That is not to state the NPO is seeking to attack Lazarus, but the idea of Lazarus somehow being ‘hands off’ in a period of open aggression just seems a bit odd.

Lazarus declared war on the NPO after the NPO had been waging war on us silently for years. And let's not pretend you're not seeking to attack Lazarus: you have done so for years in times of peace, so why would now be any different?

[Pierconium]

I believe Lazarus has declared war on the Pacific. While I will not dispute the past wrongs the NPO has instigated against Lazarus, they are not directly relevant to anything that might occur this year as a result of ongoing hostilities. That is not to state the NPO is seeking to attack Lazarus, but the idea of Lazarus somehow being ‘hands off’ in a period of open aggression just seems a bit odd.

Lazarus declared war on the NPO after the NPO had been waging war on us silently for years. And let's not pretend you're not seeking to attack Lazarus: you have done so for years in times of peace, so why would now be any different?

I have never attacked Lazarus.

[The Gilded Star]

I'm pretty sure he meant you as in the collective plural of the New Pacific Order, rather than you individually.

[Pierconium]

I'm pretty sure he meant you as in the collective plural of the New Pacific Order, rather than you individually.

As I have no small say in the policy direction of the NPO and I have never attacked Lazarus, why would we be ‘seeking to attack Lazarus’ now?