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Postby New Min » Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:41 am

The Australasian Kingdom wrote:Innocent groups are groups that do not engage in conflict or try to start Conflict. the MT Army however target these groups a lot.

Ahem - fascist groups are in no way innocent. Fascism stands for oppression, curtailing political and civil rights, enslavement, discrimination, imprisonment, and political violence. Fascism is not an opinion, it is a crime.

"What about free speech?" is an argument often heard. But this is a false equivalency. Even if not persuaded by the sheer moral argument against Fascism, we need only to take a look at the law in effect in many democratic states: Fascists' right to free speech, while often not completely taken away, is rightfully curtailed in many European countries, not just by laws against the advocation of violence or racial hatred, but also more directly such as in Germany, Austria, or France, who all explicitly outlaw Nazi parties, for example. This is well within the Convention of Human Rights and the European Human Rights Convention. The European Human Rights Court has ruled on several provisions by these countries and has found that where such a danger to social and democratic order exists, the right to free speech can be limited in such a way. The above examples show the violent danger this ideology poses that, at its very core, includes hatred and violence. That is why exactly in the interest of free speech and democracy, fascism needs to be fought. Fascism in this regard is like child pornography, a form of expression that at its core represents a crime and therefore is reasonably not protected by democracy.

The same applies to this game: The internet is a good platform for fascists to spread their kind of hatred and, it is in the interest of all of us to prevent this movement of hatred and discrimination from growing by recruiting here. Whether roleplayed or real doesn't matter, if it contributes to the spread of fascist ideas, it needs to be curtailed and denied a platform. Of course, this game is not the entire internet, but as long as we have some means at our disposal to help prevent fascism from spreading, we need to use them to the best of our abilities in order to at least take an admittedly tiny, but still important step against the danger this ideology represents in real life. It's not bullying if we ban the bully from the schoolyard and thereby prevent them from hitting other kids.

The fight must continue until the last fascist is convinced he or she is wrong and until nobody can spread this ideology anymore because it has become completely unacceptable in every way.
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Postby Hesskin Empire » Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:42 am

The Australasian Kingdom wrote:which is why i have started the Anti MT Army Pact, as a way to try to stop the attacks of the MT Army or to delay them and secure the safety of the groups

I would say if youre defending natives then you would want to work with defender groups but wait... most defender groups will work with Ruining Nazi Sandcastles and/or AntiFa... :unsure: And I don't think the Swastika on your flag will do you any help in finding allies to fight MT with.
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Postby RiderSyl » Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:45 am

The Australasian Kingdom wrote:which is why i have started the Anti MT Army Pact, as a way to try to stop the attacks of the MT Army or to delay them and secure the safety of the groups


I see you put "We are fascist and we are proud" in all caps on your WFE, and an obscured Nazi Germany flag as your regional flag.
Interesting recruitment strategy.
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Postby The Australasian Kingdom » Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:47 am

Communism is against everything you just said.
It does not support Free Speech, The Soviet Union didn't like you talking shit about the Nation, they would send you to a prison, Same with most other Communist Nations.
The Communists were never for Human Rights, I refer back to the Gulags in the Soviet union and the Camps in North Korea.
Face it, Communism is no better then Fascism. Hell Communism has killed more then Fascism.

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Postby The Australasian Kingdom » Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:48 am

its not from Nazi Germany, the Swastika in the Background is symbolizing the National Socialists, i'll probably change the Flag soon.

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Postby RiderSyl » Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:49 am

This isn't NSG. Real life political debates don't belong in this forum. Go defend actual fascism in one of their threads, thanks.

The Australasian Kingdom wrote:its not from Nazi Germany, the Swastika in the Background is symbolizing the National Socialists, i'll probably change the Flag soon.


Nazis = "National Socialists"
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Postby New Min » Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:50 am

The Australasian Kingdom wrote:Communism is against everything you just said.
It does not support Free Speech, The Soviet Union didn't like you talking shit about the Nation, they would send you to a prison, Same with most other Communist Nations.
The Communists were never for Human Rights, I refer back to the Gulags in the Soviet union and the Camps in North Korea.
Face it, Communism is no better then Fascism. Hell Communism has killed more then Fascism.

Ahem - you are pretending like Stalinism is the only form of communism. Before you start talking about communism, educate yourself kid.
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Postby The Australasian Kingdom » Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:51 am

Why aren't you getting pissed at the communist supporter above, he's debating bloody politics.

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Postby The Australasian Kingdom » Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:52 am

also its Communism in general, Remember that time the Russians had the Tsar and his family Killed, also remember the time where Mao Zedong did stupid shit and got his People killed, Communism pretty much revolves around death as much as Fascism does, if not more, because Communism does not work.

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Postby The Australasian Kingdom » Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:53 am

RiderSyl wrote:This isn't NSG. Real life political debates don't belong in this forum. Go defend actual fascism in one of their threads, thanks.

The Australasian Kingdom wrote:its not from Nazi Germany, the Swastika in the Background is symbolizing the National Socialists, i'll probably change the Flag soon.


Nazis = "National Socialists"

by that i meant the flag of the Fascist symbol behind the Swastika, not the Actual flag of the NSDAP

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Postby New Min » Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:58 am

The Australasian Kingdom wrote:also its Communism in general, Remember that time the Russians had the Tsar and his family Killed, also remember the time where Mao Zedong did stupid shit and got his People killed, Communism pretty much revolves around death as much as Fascism does, if not more, because Communism does not work.

You have clearly not educated yourself. If you did, you would have known that there hasn't been a single communist nation on planet Earth (a nation calling itself communist doesn't make it communist). Communism is based on a stateless society, and if you keep that in mind, you will understand why the USSR, China, etc. have never been communist. Educate, debate, sleep, repeat. Only you seem to forget the first one <3
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Postby RiderSyl » Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:59 am

The Australasian Kingdom wrote:
RiderSyl wrote:This isn't NSG. Real life political debates don't belong in this forum. Go defend actual fascism in one of their threads, thanks.



Nazis = "National Socialists"

by that i meant the flag of the Fascist symbol behind the Swastika, not the Actual flag of the NSDAP


Whatever you're trying to say, it doesn't change the fact there's an obscured Nazi Germany flag in the symbol for your region.
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Postby The Australasian Kingdom » Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:02 am

New Min wrote:
The Australasian Kingdom wrote:also its Communism in general, Remember that time the Russians had the Tsar and his family Killed, also remember the time where Mao Zedong did stupid shit and got his People killed, Communism pretty much revolves around death as much as Fascism does, if not more, because Communism does not work.

You have clearly not educated yourself. If you did, you would have known that there hasn't been a single communist nation on planet Earth (a nation calling itself communist doesn't make it communist). Communism is based on a stateless society, and if you keep that in mind, you will understand why the USSR, China, etc. have never been communist. Educate, debate, sleep, repeat. Only you seem to forget the first one <3


Are you shitting me? "There hasn't been a single Communist Nation" The USSR were Communist, China was Communist, The Only reason they have not become the Communism you said was because it was because the "perfect" Communism does not work.

Communism believes in Equality, Equality cannot work, us Humans as a Species need a Social Hierarchy to Operate, just like Wolves and other animals. if you take that away, everything collapses, people don't know which role to work for.
National Socialism on the other hand wants to enforce a Hierarchy, it wants to merge the Classes and focus on the State and its development rather than bicker about pitiful things like Class Division and Equality, if you take somebody's property then they will understandably be angry about it, thats what happened with a few communist Countries.
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Postby RiderSyl » Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:06 am

RiderSyl wrote:This isn't NSG. Real life political debates don't belong in this forum.
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Postby Golden Hind » Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:06 am

If you want to fly the banner for fascism, if you want to fly the banner for Nazism, you should expect to have enemies. You should expect a fight, and you should prepare to lose.

My great grandfather fought Hitler, my great granduncle fought Franco. Fighting these poisonous ideologies in my blood, and almost all of us have family that shed blood in the same conflicts. My family was almost wiped out by Luftwaffe bombs. You talk endlessly about being forced to be this and forced to be that, but no one forced you to be a fascist. That's something you chose. You decided to pick up that banner and in doing so you have made yourself our enemy.

If you don't like it, then either hide yourself away in a secured region or put down that banner.

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Postby New Min » Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:09 am

The Australasian Kingdom wrote:
New Min wrote:You have clearly not educated yourself. If you did, you would have known that there hasn't been a single communist nation on planet Earth (a nation calling itself communist doesn't make it communist). Communism is based on a stateless society, and if you keep that in mind, you will understand why the USSR, China, etc. have never been communist. Educate, debate, sleep, repeat. Only you seem to forget the first one <3


Are you shitting me? "There hasn't been a single Communist Nation" The USSR were Communist, China was Communist, The Only reason they have not become the Communism you said was because it was because the "perfect" Communism does not work.

Communism believes in Equality, Equality cannot work, us Humans as a Species need a Social Hierarchy to Operate, just like Wolves and other animals. if you take that away, everything collapses, people don't know which role to work for.
National Socialism on the other hand wants to enforce a Hierarchy, it wants to merge the Classes and focus on the State and its development rather than bicker about pitiful things like Class Division and Equality, if you take somebody's property then they will understandably be angry about it, thats what happened with a few communist Countries.

Did just forget to read my post? I clearly stated why they weren't communist. Nazi-Germany was a fascist nation though, and they have clearly shown why we need to stop fascism. Also, you just show again how less you actually know about communism. If you're afraid the communists are going to break into your home and take your Xbox because private property has been abolished, you can sleep easy knowing that "private property" is not the same as "personal property." Private property refers to the means of production (factories, machinery, etc.), whereas personal property refers to the things you the common person own. Your house, your car, and your Xbox are all personal property and belong to you.

A quick glance at history and anthropology will ruin the idea that "human nature" is a static unchanging thing. Human nature and behaviour is partly plastic (reflections of historical and cultural conditions in relation to the specific mode of production), which is evidenced by the vast disparities in human behaviour and social organisation throughout various historical periods and geographical locations. Civil society, human behaviour and ideology have changed over time in the same way that species alter genetically over time.

“To look at people in capitalist society and conclude that human nature is egoism, is like looking at people in a factory where pollution is destroying their lungs and saying that it is human nature to cough.”
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Postby The Australasian Kingdom » Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:10 am

Golden Hind wrote:If you want to fly the banner for fascism, if you want to fly the banner for Nazism, you should expect to have enemies. You should expect a fight, and you should prepare to lose.

My great grandfather fought Hitler, my great granduncle fought Franco. Fighting these poisonous ideologies in my blood, and almost all of us have family that shed blood in the same conflicts. My family was almost wiped out by Luftwaffe bombs. You talk endlessly about being forced to be this and forced to be that, but no one forced you to be a fascist. That's something you chose. You decided to pick up that banner and in doing so you have made yourself our enemy.

If you don't like it, then either hide yourself away in a secured region or put down that banner.

i'd hate to tell you this pal, but i will never stop waving the banner of National Socialism, i won't stop waving til the day i die, your Great Grandfather was a hero, no matter what side, that is something i will say, war Veterans deserve full respect, no matter the side they fought in.
also may i ask, what country did your grandfather fight for?

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Postby New Excalibus » Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:11 am

This is an unnecessary argument, with an easy solution. Like others have said, stack endorsements on the delegate, make it non-executive, active founder, password, banning and ejecting, and if you say that new players don't know how to do any part of this, that's stretching that a little too far. You don't need a organization dedicated to destroying the MT army, just secure your nation.
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Postby The Australasian Kingdom » Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:13 am

Min, Capitalism is the reason you and your Family are probably living pretty comfortable lives, but may i ask? why divide the classes when you can merge them, why have everything be equal and boring when you can have a system that works

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Postby The Australasian Kingdom » Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:14 am

New Excalibus wrote:This is an unnecessary argument, with an easy solution. Like others have said, stack endorsements on the delegate, make it non-executive, active founder, password, banning and ejecting, and if you say that new players don't know how to do any part of this, that's stretching that a little too far. You don't need a organization dedicated to destroying the MT army, just secure your nation.

its not just to secure a nation, its to secure others and keep them safe, as a few other people have stated.
"for evil to triumph, is for good men to do nothing"
well i ain't going to do nothing.

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Postby Golden Hind » Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:16 am

The Australasian Kingdom wrote:i'd hate to tell you this pal, but i will never stop waving the banner of National Socialism, i won't stop waving til the day i die,


Then you better buckle up, kid, because we won't stop fighting, either. As you say, all that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

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Postby New Min » Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:19 am

The Australasian Kingdom wrote:Min, Capitalism is the reason you and your Family are probably living pretty comfortable lives, but may i ask? why divide the classes when you can merge them, why have everything be equal and boring when you can have a system that works

"a system that works"? Ahem - The United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization estimates that about 815 million people of the 7.6 billion people in the world, or one in ten, were suffering from chronic undernourishment in 2016. (Almost all the hungry people, live in developing countries.) Capitalism is directly responsible for this. Also, nations with more social policies have a more happy population on average. Also, we just need to look at the number of people receiving food stamps in the US. As of the latest data released on August 3, 2018, the total is 39.3 million, which is more than the entire population of Canada. The fact that this number is so high shows that the system doesn't work.
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Postby New Excalibus » Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:19 am

The Australasian Kingdom wrote:
New Excalibus wrote:This is an unnecessary argument, with an easy solution. Like others have said, stack endorsements on the delegate, make it non-executive, active founder, password, banning and ejecting, and if you say that new players don't know how to do any part of this, that's stretching that a little too far. You don't need a organization dedicated to destroying the MT army, just secure your nation.

its not just to secure a nation, its to secure others and keep them safe, as a few other people have stated.
"for evil to triumph, is for good men to do nothing"
well i ain't going to do nothing.

So let me get this straight.
You are creating an army to destroy the MT army, when you could just secure your region, and tell others to secure their nation?
Also, this army could create more chaos, then before you created this army.
And you're also making political debates in a thread that has nothing to do with them.
You sir, are quite the strange man.
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Postby The Australasian Kingdom » Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:19 am

Golden Hind wrote:
The Australasian Kingdom wrote:i'd hate to tell you this pal, but i will never stop waving the banner of National Socialism, i won't stop waving til the day i die,


Then you better buckle up, kid, because we won't stop fighting, either. As you say, all that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

Well i'd hate to tell you this, but Fascism has gotten a lot of support, look at greece, the Golden dawn has been coming 3rd and 2nd in the Elections, its only a matter of time before Fascism gets back on its feet, while Communism failed due to Economic and Social Trouble, Fascism failed due to war, but when it comes back which it will, trust me, it will be like a world revolution.

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Postby Kurnugia » Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:20 am

The flag of the region:Image

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Yeah... now I can see why ANTIFA is far stronger than the poor innocent fashies. They at least can get the basics right. It's hilarious to see Anti-Antifa fall flat on their nose. Ahhh... thanks for the good laughter xD
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