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My Post Regarding the MT Army (Reuploaded here)

Postby The Australasian Kingdom » Thu Aug 16, 2018 2:58 am

In this Post i made regards about how i view the MT Army, keep in mind its my Opinion and i want to get this out there and see if there is anybody who shares my Views on this group.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1077602

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Postby The Australasian Kingdom » Thu Aug 16, 2018 3:00 am

Now for anybody who says "The MT Army are heroes, they won't invade for fun they do it to protect Groups" thats when your wrong, they do it for fun and they target small groups that can't fight back, they are cowards, hell their leader even laughed when i said that small Nations end up quitting due to this type of shit

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Postby Kurnugia » Thu Aug 16, 2018 3:55 am

The Australasian Kingdom wrote:Now for anybody who says "The MT Army are heroes, they won't invade for fun they do it to protect Groups" thats when your wrong, they do it for fun and they target small groups that can't fight back, they are cowards, hell their leader even laughed when i said that small Nations end up quitting due to this type of shit


You have a mechanism to drop out of Gameplay: Put up a password and never ever give it away. If your region gets raided, it's 100% on you.
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Postby The Australasian Kingdom » Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:00 am

but still they raid innocent regions, some of these Regions don't even know about the mechanic, hell chances are i might create the Anti MT Army Pact as a Region, however there is a problem with your idea, people can have nations pretend to really wanna join and interact, next thing you know, they trick the founder into inviting some more Nations, once the nations are in they can take over, the MT Army are known to make Alts, hell they could make Spy alts to infiltrate Regions, now that i think about it, it seems pretty scary being screwed from the inside.

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Postby Kurnugia » Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:06 am

The Australasian Kingdom wrote:but still they raid innocent regions, some of these Regions don't even know about the mechanic, hell chances are i might create the Anti MT Army Pact as a Region, however there is a problem with your idea, people can have nations pretend to really wanna join and interact, next thing you know, they trick the founder into inviting some more Nations, once the nations are in they can take over, the MT Army are known to make Alts, hell they could make Spy alts to infiltrate Regions, now that i think about it, it seems pretty scary being screwed from the inside.

You wouldn't think that a nation sim would be complete without the good stuff of war, diplomacy and intrigues? There is no right or wrong. Only those who can assert their ownership over a region and those who can't.

Also please create an Anti MT Army Pact. That is soooo needed.
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Postby Hesskin Empire » Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:08 am

Easy solution is don't be a fascist or a nazi!

I have worked with AntiFa/Mt Army and they refuse to invade a region unless they have proof due to tags, embassies, nations in the govt, dispatches etc etc to show the region is fascist/nazi/affiliated with them.

Note: If you have a founder and get raided the founder just gets rid of them and takes away Delegate powers, if the founder dies you better find yourself a new home or refound your current one... I mean you can make it work of course but if you have fought alongside fascist/nazis before or you have used the tags/theme before you are prolly gonna get hit. If not you still might get hit by another raiding group thats around.
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Postby The Australasian Kingdom » Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:10 am

but still thats forcing regions and nations to not be what they want to be, which i think is a pretty jerk thing to do.

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Postby Hesskin Empire » Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:11 am

So youre saying we should force people not to be what they want to be to let you be how you want to be?
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Postby RiderSyl » Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:12 am

While raiding isn't right, securing a region isn't difficult. Stack enough endorsements on the delegate to deter most raids. Have an active founder and a non-executive delegate, then you're not a target at all. There are steps you can take.

Also, you created a nation on a game that allows for military gameplay. Nobody forced you or anyone into anything.
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Postby The Australasian Kingdom » Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:13 am

i mean technically it is forcing, because they are trying to drive out a Political group out of a game because of their beliefs, now let me ask you, if i started a group based on getting rid of LGBT regions, i don't think people would like it and you would see a lot of complaints about it, we would be called Homophobes, but why is it that the MT Army do the same thing, but because its Fascists they are getting rid of, it is viewed as good.

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Postby Hesskin Empire » Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:14 am

RiderSyl wrote:While raiding isn't right, securing a region isn't difficult. Stack enough endorsements on the delegate to deter most raids. Have an active founder and a non-executive delegate, then you're not a target at all. There are steps you can take.

Also, you created a nation on a game that allows for military gameplay. Nobody forced you or anyone into anything.


Also factor in themed regions, since MT only hits fascist/nazi themed regions and their allies. The MT founder is in charge of the AntiFa group which mainly consists of irl enemies of fascism... communists! So yeah its all a sim tbh, I dont like nazis irl but in NS I can actually fight them so I do that sometimes with MT. If you wanna run a nazi region you can try to but you gotta watch for people like AntiFa and Communist themed regions that dont like you. Same if you run a raider region then you gotta watch for fendas and vice versa!
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Postby The Australasian Kingdom » Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:16 am

Keep in mind that Not all Regions like being raided or like the concept, Fascist Regions are usually doing it for RP, but the MT Army don't care, they would raid it because they don't like the Fascists.

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Postby Hesskin Empire » Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:18 am

The Australasian Kingdom wrote:Keep in mind that Not all Regions like being raided or like the concept, Fascist Regions are usually doing it for RP, but the MT Army don't care, they would raid it because they don't like the Fascists.

Yes, cause thats how themes work. If you want to RP a fascist theme you can do so while following the same advice given to all natives about founders and delegates etc. And yes cause of irl fascism fascists will get hated on more and you will see that raiding LGBT would get you hate since irl LGBT movements arent about genocide or oppression etc. It's all about theme :P
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Postby The Australasian Kingdom » Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:18 am

Hey btw, i just wanted to announce a New Region thats coming around, The Anti MT Army Pact.

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Postby Hesskin Empire » Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:20 am

The Australasian Kingdom wrote:Hey btw, i just wanted to announce a New Region thats coming around, The Anti MT Army Pact.

I'm sure that will go about as well as the Anti AntiFa region and the others against AntiFa in the past. But hey, maybe you'll listen to advice natives are given so you arent raided, maybe you will also make sure not to use symbols of hate like swastikas etc and even stick around so that your founder doesnt die and your region refounded by antifa.
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Postby RiderSyl » Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:22 am

I'm guessing it's just going to be a bunch of multis.
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Postby New Min » Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:23 am

Your dispatch says:
if Any Admins are listening, get rid of the MT Army or have your fanbase ruined by them

You just casually forgot to mention that the founder of NationStates has confirmed in the FAQ that raiding is completely legal.

Just like in the real world, everyone has enemies. Fascist just have a lot of enemies. So they gotta keep their region safe instead of whining about being raided.
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Postby RiderSyl » Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:24 am

New Min wrote:You just casually forgot to mention that the founder of NationStates has confirmed in the FAQ that raiding is completely legal.


I don't think someone can forget something they never knew in the first place.
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Postby The Australasian Kingdom » Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:29 am

the whole point of the thread was to state that the MT Army attacks Innocent groups, it deters and Angers a large community of players. Some even state that they are not apart of the Raiding Game play mechanic but they still get raided, the point is the MT Army are nothing but trouble, that is what i aim to fight back against, The MT Army though are allowed to raid, should stick to groups causing trouble and actually spreading hate. not innocent defenseless groups

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Postby RiderSyl » Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:31 am

The Australasian Kingdom wrote:Some even state that they are not apart of the Raiding Game play mechanic but they still get raided


If they got raided, they're obviously part of the mechanic.
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Postby New Min » Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:33 am

The Australasian Kingdom wrote:the whole point of the thread was to state that the MT Army attacks Innocent groups, it deters and Angers a large community of players. Some even state that they are not apart of the Raiding Game play mechanic but they still get raided, the point is the MT Army are nothing but trouble, that is what i aim to fight back against, The MT Army though are allowed to raid, should stick to groups causing trouble and actually spreading hate. not innocent defenseless groups

Depends on what you define as "Innocent groups". Fascist groups are in my opinion not innocent and I, therefore, participate in raids of aforementioned regions. Also, I really don't care what you think of it <3
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Postby The Australasian Kingdom » Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:36 am

Innocent groups are groups that do not engage in conflict or try to start Conflict. the MT Army however target these groups a lot.

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Postby Hesskin Empire » Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:38 am

The Australasian Kingdom wrote:Innocent groups are groups that do not engage in conflict or try to start Conflict. the MT Army however target these groups a lot.

They are targeted because of their theme and actions based on AntiFa's theme. Doesn't matter if they say they don't want to be raided, most natives don't, but if they don't do what they need to protect themselves they are likely going to be raided.
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Postby RiderSyl » Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:39 am

The Australasian Kingdom wrote:Innocent groups are groups that do not engage in conflict or try to start Conflict. the MT Army however target these groups a lot.


That's called being pacifist, not being innocent.
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Postby The Australasian Kingdom » Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:40 am

which is why i have started the Anti MT Army Pact, as a way to try to stop the attacks of the MT Army or to delay them and secure the safety of the groups

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