Defender Awards 2018

[Cormactopia Prime]

The currently valid and seconded nominations are:

Moneyness
Plagentine
The Roman Empire
Kaiserreich (SC liberation and all around)

Tell me Cormac, which one of these lovely flavors of things will you be defending today? Which of these sweet, innocent things is undeserving of scorn?

There's nothing limiting it to people universally recognized as being "deserving of scorn."

Having been on the receiving end of the FRA's mean-spirited meltdown award, I can say it's not pleasant. You should really just abolish the award. It's toxic.

[Lord Dominator]

There's nothing limiting it to people universally recognized as being "deserving of scorn."

Having been on the receiving end of the FRA's mean-spirited meltdown award, I can say it's not pleasant. You should really just abolish the award. It's toxic.

Or you could remember this is just an online game? I am sure employers are not going to ask you about it.

Right, because that totally addresses Cormac's points

[Tupelope]

The currently valid and seconded nominations are:

Moneyness
Plagentine
The Roman Empire
Kaiserreich (SC liberation and all around)

Tell me Cormac, which one of these lovely flavors of things will you be defending today? Which of these sweet, innocent things is undeserving of scorn?

There's nothing limiting it to people universally recognized as being "deserving of scorn."

Having been on the receiving end of the FRA's mean-spirited meltdown award, I can say it's not pleasant. You should really just abolish the award. It's toxic.

if u think thats toxic u obviously havent stepped foot into any other online game lmao

[Carolus Rex Francae]

Right, because that totally addresses Cormac's points

Wasn't meant to. It was meant to point out that a mountain is being made out of a molehill. It's an online game, and we are all behind online personae.

It being a game does not justify shitty OOC behavior. Why not tell atero's victims that it's just a game? See how well that will go over.

Don't post in gameplay unless you know what you're talking about.

Edit: Not saying that I disagree with this award's inclusion in the defender awards, I'm just sick of people in gameplay making this dumb argument. NS is a game, and a game they can stop playing if they are so annoyed with people taking it seriously that there is a need to comment on it.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

IMHO, in better taste when applied to IC, Gameplay-related "meltdowns." Why award, in any form, outright malicious, ___-phobic, behavior?

...Also agree that it was a better line item when *anyone* was eligible for it. Then you could include deserving things like AIR's meltdown into component parts in the running World is more fun when everyone can have fun poked at.

[Aclion]

I find my self agreeing with EWS


I need a drink.

[Reploid Productions]

Yeah, I generally concur with Cormac and EWS about the meltdown award. While there's room to argue the toxicity of it, do you really want to be granting such behavior the notoriety of recognition? At the very least, I'd rather see certain varieties of mainly OOC meltdowns excluded from the category such as DOS meltdowns. There's a world of difference between so-and-so's DOS and an alliance breaking up or reactions to a particular liberation or raid for instance; granting DOSes the 'fame' of recognition is something I'm adverse to from a mod standpoint, but things like the Kaiserreich liberation or the AIR stuff... that's all in-game stuff, and things that arguably cause little/no harm in being recognized as kinda a big deal in the community.

[Wabbitslayah]

The currently valid and seconded nominations are:

Moneyness
Plagentine
The Roman Empire
Kaiserreich (SC liberation and all around)

Tell me Cormac, which one of these lovely flavors of things will you be defending today? Which of these sweet, innocent things is undeserving of scorn?

There's nothing limiting it to people universally recognized as being "deserving of scorn."

Having been on the receiving end of the FRA's mean-spirited meltdown award, I can say it's not pleasant. You should really just abolish the award. It's toxic.

I only agree when it comes down to OOC stuff. If TGW imploded due to Tim and Vinny playing Avengers Civil War IC, I think it's fine.

For instance a TRE meltdown is due to Plag and Festavo ooc actions, and thus should be ignored instead of ever mentioned.

Additionally it shouldn't be contained to raiders if it's kept.

[Kurnugia]

There's nothing limiting it to people universally recognized as being "deserving of scorn."

Having been on the receiving end of the FRA's mean-spirited meltdown award, I can say it's not pleasant. You should really just abolish the award. It's toxic.

I only agree when it comes down to OOC stuff. If TGW imploded due to Tim and Vinny playing Avengers Civil War IC, I think it's fine.

For instance a TRE meltdown is due to Plag and Festavo ooc actions, and thus should be ignored instead of ever mentioned.

Additionally it shouldn't be contained to raiders if it's kept.

Yeah... do we really want to give them a badge. I've cancelled btw. any nomination on this category. They should die quietly not with a bang.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I also think that the meltdown award is a slap in the face to the people who have actually put a lot of work into trying to avert said meltdown. Many I know, including me, have put considerable work into AIR. We didn't understand LCRUA's reason for leaving, and their reasoning confused us greatly (Enadia having never approached LCRUA about a merger, for example.) Their were also a number of very committed people who have never been accused of being Nazis who were fundamentally against the kaiserreich liberation on principal, and disregarding the fact that that resolution thread had a lot of very passionate argument on both sides is highly troubling to me.

I don't share Reppy's concern about giving DOS players exposure, as I think that giving them exposure makes them easier for newer players to spot and either counter/report or avoid working with them. However, I believe they should be given exposure in a very different way, rather than actually recognising them with an award. Let's just do away with it, it has no practical value and a lot of negative points.

[Marilyn Manson Freaks]

The Meltdown Award is a tradition and is meant for silly, in-character laughs. This entire thing is IC, no real shaming goes on.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

The Meltdown Award is a tradition and is meant for silly, in-character laughs. This entire thing is IC, no real shaming goes on.

If you had put a lot of effort into trying to avert a meltdown, which despite the sleepless nights you put in and the hundreds of tgs you sent out still happened, wouldn't you feel a little annoyed by what amounts to a lot of the community laughing in your face about it?

[Devi Vytherin]

The Meltdown Award is a tradition and is meant for silly, in-character laughs. This entire thing is IC, no real shaming goes on.

Which is why the reason a lot of the current nominees are there is for ooc actions.

[Drop Your Pants]

Don't post in gameplay unless you know what you're talking about.

Have you met our regular posters? Most don't know anything and a few don't even know what topic they're posting in

[Kurnugia]

The Meltdown Award is a tradition and is meant for silly, in-character laughs. This entire thing is IC, no real shaming goes on.

Which is why the reason a lot of the current nominees are there is for ooc actions.

kinda offended how I wasn't nominated.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

The Meltdown Award is a tradition and is meant for silly, in-character laughs. This entire thing is IC, no real shaming goes on.

If you had put a lot of effort into trying to avert a meltdown, which despite the sleepless nights you put in and the hundreds of tgs you sent out still happened, wouldn't you feel a little annoyed by what amounts to a lot of the community laughing in your face about it?

To be brutally frank: no one really cares and you’re, if anything, fueling the fire of your nomination. Every “worst” category had manhours put into it. The awards aren’t supposed to be 100% nice. That’s not what the rest of us are advocating for.

What we’re advocating for is:

1) not giving extra attention to various OOC offenders, whether formally DoS or just shunned from everywhere on site, and focusing instead on deservingly mockable IC events. There’s plenty of those to go around.

2) keeping this just *slightly* less of a propeganda fest, and a little bit more fun, by leaving the fun-poking categories (in contrast to the back-patting categories) open to everyone. I’d advocate this both ways - worst op could go both ways, or be both worst lib and worst raid. Worst meltdown should be whoever got their underpants in a bunch the most, regardless of alignment. So forth.

[Aclion]

The Meltdown Award is a tradition and is meant for silly, in-character laughs. This entire thing is IC, no real shaming goes on.

Nah, half the nominees are there for OCC reasons.

[USS Monitor]

Their were also a number of very committed people who have never been accused of being Nazis who were fundamentally against the kaiserreich liberation on principal, and disregarding the fact that that resolution thread had a lot of very passionate argument on both sides is highly troubling to me.

That "passionate argument" is part of the meltdown.

[Deadeye Jack]

As far as discussion on meltdown goes, I don't foresee anything changing with respect to the category this year at this point. I don't really remember if there was a rationale for changing the Meltdown to raider only last year or if it was just a misunderstanding of what it had traditionally been as part of the FRA awards. Due to constraints on my time leading up to this year's awards, I wasn't really able to give a critical look at last year's awards to find and implement ways to improve upon them. As a result, we're more or less running it back on how they were ran last year by W&S.

Over the course of this year's awards however some interesting points of discussion have come up as part of the nomination process and that may lead to some changes to, some additions of, or some removals of awards next year.

All that said, there are about 2 more days to get your nominations in before voting starts

[Unibot III]

*polishes his trophycase of Meltdown awards*

Y’all are just jealous. I worked hard to make an ass of myself for all those years, this years’ nominees are trite and lightweight competition in comparison.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

>>too late to fix it

>>btw still plenty of time to nominate!!

???

[Aclion]

Their were also a number of very committed people who have never been accused of being Nazis who were fundamentally against the kaiserreich liberation on principal, and disregarding the fact that that resolution thread had a lot of very passionate argument on both sides is highly troubling to me.

That "passionate argument" is part of the meltdown.

In which case, why give the award to KR? That had nothing to do with that part of it.

[Lord Dominator]

That "passionate argument" is part of the meltdown.

In which case, why give the award to KR? That had nothing to do with that part of it.

That and they actively tried to stop their citizenry from responding to the liberation in hopes of not making it worse (which failed)

[USS Monitor]

In which case, why give the award to KR? That had nothing to do with that part of it.

That and they actively tried to stop their citizenry from responding to the liberation in hopes of not making it worse (which failed)

They only started doing that after some of their people went in the thread and made fools of themselves.

[Consular]

I think this isn't the first time some of you have tried to remove all the fun from gameplay awards. I think the award could be expanded to anyone of any alignment but otherwise should remain as is.