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Quebecshire
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Appointment of an NSGP Ambassador

Postby Quebecshire » Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:09 pm

Appointment of an NSGP Ambassador
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Given recent events, the League has decided to appoint an ambassador to this forum thread to post general updates and information for happenings, particularly those in regards to foreign affairs, of the LCN.

Paleocacher, a Diplomatic Agent within the Department of Foreign Affairs, will be taking on this responsibility. His title for this will be General Ambassador to the NationStates GamePlay Forum of The League of Conservative Nations, or more reasonably/short, General Ambassador to the NSGP Forum of the LCN. He will be making posts with relevant updates and statements from any other major officials - including updates on embassies and the position of the Director of Foreign Affairs on World Assembly Resolutions at vote, or otherwise relevant proposals. Due to this being an entirely new role, we will be moving forward with diligence.

These updates are generally meant to restate a position that the LCN or its institutions have made clear internally, otherwise to be a window to the NSGP community. Thus, if you have a question or comment which was not addressed in a statement provided by Ambassador Paleocacher, you may state so, but he has been instructed to simply inform the Consulate or Director of the Foreign Affairs department to handle this.

This development does not mean the Consulate will no longer provide updates either on its own or in conjunction with other high officials, but more regular and less severe affairs will be delegated to the Ambassador.

Thank you for your time, if you have any questions, contact one or all of the officials below.

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Postby Paleocacher » Thu Jul 09, 2020 9:25 pm

Access to Abortion Voting Stance
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The League of Conservative Nations WA Delegate, San Carlos Islands released the LCN WA Delegate's official position on the WA General Assembly Proposal at vote: "Access to Abortion" this evening. San Carlos Islands has encouraged all LCN WA members to vote FOR the resolution in the following statement:

The first reason I’m in ardent support of this resolution is to illustrate our region’s disapproval towards the undemocratic and degenerate practices of other regions when it came to opposing the prior Access to Abortion resolution. Such regions conducted raids against small and defenseless regions with delegates approving of Access to Abortion in order to take the resolution out of quorum. The League of Conservative Nations condemns such operations as we support the sovereignty of all decent NationStates regions. Under current leadership we will never support operations to raid regions for political gain within the WA and encourage others to pick on regions their own size.

The second reason I fully support this resolution is because it literally reduces instances of abortion. Pro-life apologists probably get a nickel every time they say “life begins at conception.” I would go off to say most of those in this religion believe that; thus, vote for this religion because it protects life. Look at the provisions regarding contraception, “Members must pay for or provide directly… contraceptives.” Contraceptives are inherently pro-life because they prevent abortions. In fact, a study by Washington University in Saint Louis confirms that contraceptives reduce abortion rates by 62 to 78 percent. It’s clear to see voting for is actually the pro-life option.

For the above reasons, I urge you to vote FOR Access to Abortion.


If you have any questions please feel free to respond to this post. Thank you.

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Postby Paleocacher » Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:52 am

Voting Stances on WA General Assembly vote: Peaceful First Contact and WA Security Council vote: Condemn Ravana
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The League of Conservative Nations WA Delegate, San Carlos Islands released the LCN WA Delegate's official position on the WA General Assembly Proposal at vote: "Peaceful First Contact" this morning. San Carlos Islands has encouraged all LCN WA members to vote AGAINST the resolution in the following statement:

First, vote against this resolution because it is an extreme infringement on the national sovereignty. Voting for today's resolution would bar WA member nations from attacking individuals or groups of individuals who disregard national borders. Not only does this handcuff nations from performing their most basic function, defending it's borders; it will lead to the neoliberal wet dream that is open borders worldwide.

This resolution most certainly will end in uncontrolled mass immigration across the word, leading to; unemployment, conflict, crime, and cultural atrophy.

At the end of the day this resolution is poorly written and probably rushed to a vote because the author wanted a shiny badge as quick as possible and infringes on national sovereignty, thus it must be stopped.

For the above reasons, the ministry urges a vote Against this proposal.


Secondly the League of Conservative Nations WA delegate San Carlos Islands released the following statement on the LCN's stance on the Security Council proposal at vote: "Condemn Ravana" last night. In this statement all LCN members are encouraged to vote AGAINST the proposal.

Despite recent, negative foreign affairs interactions with ravana; today's resolution must be voted against as the condemnation is not in good taste.

The authors of this Resolution reigning from the region of Lasagna simply want to condemn Ravana because they responded in a sour way towards a proposed merger between the two regions and unleashed "propaganda" against Lasagna. This lead to a raiding war between the two regions and then a peace negotiation that made matters worse.

As the negative reaction to the proposed merger and the raid was not out of the ordinary; it's clear to see this resolution is a childish way to get back at ravana.

For the above reasons, I urge a vote Against this proposal.


If you have any questions please feel free to respond to this post. Thank you.

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Tangential Rant about Recent Affairs :)

Postby Quebecshire » Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:49 pm

There exists a group of individuals on this website that I have had the severe misfortune of having to interact with over the past few days. No, not the "WA elite," as much as Thatcher and Tim really want me to whine about the "WA elite," I'm not going to for a few reasons. One, I've never been one to be paranoid or whine about them, there are players on this site who are inter-regionally involved and deserve a degree of inter-regional recognition. Like Imperium Anglorum, who I think is a fairly good author regardless of some positions not everyone here likes (save the goose's job boys!), or plenty of other authors and such you might support, but I digress. I'm talking about those who possess a ridiculous amount of self-righteousness, self-importance, and sanctimoniousness on this website.

There are a few things I wish to address, mostly as a general commentary on the last couple of weeks and things I find to be wrong with the broader NS community, or at least certain sects.

Number one, faux activism. This point was originally brought up to me by San Carlos Islands and I'm surprised I never noticed it this way before. People like United Massachusetts, RTL's posse, and plenty of others on NS, I don't know anything about your personal life, so if you contribute to anti-hateful activists causes that you believe in, good for you, seriously. But losing your minds over a meme about an abortion-performing goose meme character or jokes, in general, is more immature than any meme I could come up with. Losing it over irrelevant things online is not activism.

Also, if you want to get a good feel about how this is almost entirely just bashing of the LCN rather than to want to engage constructively, use the fact that they want to be able to berate us on threads other than our's because they dislike giving us the "attention" when they literally come at us for minuscule and dramatized reasons. By the way, all closing embassies over this does is weed out people who either didn't care about having relations or think they can push our region around or blackmail it. It just makes San Carlos' job a tad easier.

Number two, ridiculous self-importance with a dash of hypocrisy. Tim made it very clear to me that the LCN does not matter, "lacks value in all aspects," I do not matter because I do not know who certain NSGPers are when they started coming at me, and et cetera. That's fine, like, hey, I haven't been super involved in NSGP since the FORGE days, so I'm not gonna contest that we're super irrelevant to the NS-wide player group. But we're very obviously living in Tim's and the UDS' heads rent-free despite our irrelevance, like, Phoenix Coalition joined our Discord server because they were "bored" whilst simultaneously saying he wouldn't waste his time on us while doing so. Like, are we super irrelevant or do you need to be all up in our customs chat? Pick one. I'd prefer you go with the first thing. Also, I could not care less about your titles, Tim. I have a general respect for TGW and the work they do, but your paragraph of titles to sling at people is either a poor attempt at comedy or some major self-importance. Since you clearly think our region is alt-right (we aren't) and so awful, just let us go. I liked it better when I didn't get pulled into arguments with you in which you explicitly admit your lack of intent to engage in good faith.

And The Noble Thatcherites, you were a great friend and colleague for years, but I've lost a ton of respect for you. You were only on our server to cherry-pick comments out of context (example) and to talk poorly about our community, to contribute nothing. You aren't entitled to remain there under that circumstance. We aren't obligated to entertain your unapologetic crusade to "expose" us for things we are not responsible for.

Also, who are any of them to judge our region? We have a safe, diverse, and welcoming community for those who wish to take part. And no, Asdersland, that isn't tantamount to saying "I have a black friend." It's literally the truth. But hey, I guess it's only bad to mention our diversity when we do it, right?

People with this attitude and mindset are also never going to be happy. No matter what we say, do, or prove, they will come up with another reason to judge us. First, it was changing moderation rules. Then, it became "permban people more easily." Then, it became don't give trials to people who break certain types of rules, even if they're a citizen (which requires changing the Constitution). Everyone who has been the most accusatory and rude to our region regardless are the ones who judged us before we even responded. Thank you to The Free Nations Region and Crystalsummer and Heaveria for actually sitting down and talking with us so we could explain our policies, and surprise surprise, they don't think I'm on some racism streak. It's honestly why at this point I've ceased caring much about what certain people think of us, I know my region, I know our community. We've been willing to drive ten hours for meetups, constantly hang out in the VC, actually talk about certain issues, literally have people come out to us. Also, if any actual homophobes or racists like came in here and acted that way towards our people, I bet you just about anything the same people you're so angry at for an offensive term being used in jest would help tear that person a new one for their BS. I'm pretty confident in that because it's literally happened. We don't tolerate discrimination and hate. But what do I know, I've only been around this region since day one.

- Quebecshire, Chief Consul of The League of Conservative Nations
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Postby Kanglia » Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:58 pm

Yawn.

For those who don't want to have the trouble of reading this: Quebec is just whining, again.
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Postby Quebecshire » Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:07 pm

Kanglia wrote:Yawn.

For those who don't want to have the trouble of reading this: Quebec is just whining, again.

Yes, being concerned about the inaccurate portrayal of my region and its members, as well as open spying attempts and bothersome behavior by your government officials, is an act in which I "complain in a feeble or petulant way."

Thank you for your statement, Kanglia.
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Postby Iris and Metis » Sat Jul 18, 2020 2:17 am

If you're going to spend pages publicly mudslinging with another region on here then you are bound to set yourself up for some criticism from outsiders.

Tim barely said anything and your members jumped to attack him. Not exactly a good way to turn public opinion in your favor. If you're going to trade barbs with someone in Gameplay who has more clout than you do, then you better make sure you're doing more than simply chucking out generic insults to see which ones land.

You might want to reconsider your PR strategy, because this ain't the one.
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Postby Drop Your Pants » Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:56 am

Iris and Metis wrote:You might want to reconsider your PR strategy, because this ain't the one.

Don't give them advice like that, then we'll have no burning disasters of threads to watch :P
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Postby Quebecshire » Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:25 am

Iris and Metis wrote:If you're going to spend pages publicly mudslinging with another region on here then you are bound to set yourself up for some criticism from outsiders.

Is this referring to the RTL thread? Because I think even the people all salty at us know that RTL is full of BS. Not gonna apologize for calling out a region on blackmail and then stopping Spode and I from posting when we called out some brazen homophobia.

Iris and Metis wrote:Tim barely said anything and your members jumped to attack him.

Eh, Tim gave off a very arrogant and self righteous vibe. But if you're talking about the forum threat for RTL again, Lyoa's comment was unnecessary and Sac didn't really engage in the best way. Otherwise, though, I'm not going to contest my region's irrelevance to the larger site, but you can't expect a region to be super into the "lol u lack value now im gonna trash on you in openly bad faith and u arent worthy to argue against me."

Iris and Metis wrote:Not exactly a good way to turn public opinion in your favor. If you're going to trade barbs with someone in Gameplay who has more clout than you do, then you better make sure you're doing more than simply chucking out generic insults to see which ones land.

I don't see how quoting things Tim said and pointing out the inconsistency of it with other things he has said and done are generic insults.

Iris and Metis wrote:You might want to reconsider your PR strategy, because this ain't the one.

Yes, because the official LCN PR strategy is named "Tangential Rant about Recent Affairs :)"
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Postby Sedgistan » Sat Jul 18, 2020 11:21 am

Iris and Metis wrote:Tim barely said anything and your members jumped to attack him.

This is Tim we're talking about. His comments were provocative, and Tim knows that and meant for that. Most of what Tim posts is meant to tweak someone's tail. LCN's mistake wasn't in attacking him, it was in attacking Tim the wrong way.

What they should have done is asked Tim why his positon of Co-Commander of NWO wasn't mentioned, given he was able to boast a "raid count of 38 with 8 as founder active regions" - better even than Unknown.

That's how you deal with Tim's trash-talking 8)

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Postby The Noble Thatcherites » Sat Jul 18, 2020 11:35 am

I would not normally entertain a post like this with a response, however, I cannot allow novice regional administrators to follow this ordeal and come to the conclusion that the community backlash to how the LCN handled concerns brought to them is the sole, inevitable, or normal outcome when confronted over administrative issues.

How Quebecshire masterfully deflected concerns brought to him needs to be the textbook for how not to handle administrative issues. Novice administrators must know that there are ways to responsibly handle administrative issues that remain faithful to the mandate that regional administrators have to keep their respective communities safe.

When concerns over the culture and administration of the LCN Discord server were brought forward, Quebecshire constructed elaborate defenses, using his gift for argument to minimize the details of the concerns brought forward, deflect responsibility for the safety of his community, engage in whataboutism, and paint an unrealistic and idealized portrait of the state of his region. Quebecshire refused to consider that no community is without its flaws and that there may be a problem with the culture that he has fostered.

Granted, it would have been ideal for each bulleted concern to be brought to Quebecshire at one time in a private direct message. However, concerns were privately brought to Quebecshire by administrators and, instead of engaging in a constructive dialogue, Quebecshire forfeited the mandate that regional administrators have to maintain a safe environment and defended the behavior[See Note]. Instead of putting his mandate first, Quebecshire staved off serious complaints.

Regions like the LCN that have been around for many years, headed by a player of 4 years, are expected to be proactive in keeping their community safe. And while approaching serious concerns with caution is a positive trait, regional administrators must have a mentality of embracing concerns when they are brought forward, even when such concerns deal with their own behavior.

The onus for maintaining a safe community is not on members outside of a given community. Excuses such as “the police reports channel seems to be lacking a lot of reports about safety concerns” (Link) aren’t acceptable when administrative bodies are expected to be proactive and critically analyze concerns that are brought forward both publicly and privately. If people take time out of their day to bring concerns forward such concerns probably deserve thought.

It may hurt when you hear a concern about a community that you are proud of. It will not feel good or be easy every time you make an administrative decision and it is possible that people in your community will be upset. It is not easy to admit that a new policy should have existed before and that behavior in the past is now unacceptable, even if you engaged in that behavior yourself. Administrators must be pliable with the resolve to remain true to their mission.

Quebecshire pointed to the array of accusations against the LCN and painted them as inconsistent and simply that of resentful players simply grasping at straws.

"People with this attitude and mindset are also never going to be happy. No matter what we say, do, or prove, they will come up with another reason to judge us. First, it was changing moderation rules. Then, it became "perm[a]ban people more easily." Then, it became don't give trials to people who break certain types of rules, even if they're a citizen (which requires changing the Constitution).” (Link)

When players make claims criticizing the LCN for a lack of OOC administration these claims are consistent and point towards properly administering a region.

Many regions, mine included, start out with an IC regional government that also handles OOC administration. Such is not usually an issue, however, putting a politically motivated IC regional government in charge of the safety of a community is problematic for many reasons.

Regional governments are highly social and usually politically oriented. Players will place their own needs above those of the community in order to advance politically. Regional governments usually divide power, inhibiting them from acting quickly during an emergency. Additionally, the slow judicial process can allow harassment and other bad behavior to continue while the process runs its course. The lack of a clearly defined regional administration with an explicit mission to keep the region, its property, and community safe can result in a lack of action as other institutions do not have a mandate to take action. Additionally, the lack of a chain of administrators means that the community cannot hold a player or group of players to account for maintaining safety.

Regions usually move to separate the IC regional government from the role of OOC administration once problems become evident within the community. Such should have been the case for the LCN. It is positive to listen to the experiences of other regional administrators, especially those with 10+ years of experience such as the members of the Europeian administrative team, often considered the gold standard in investigating and enforcing common-sense administrative policies. In my time as a player I have discovered that an OOC administrative team is the best system for keeping a community safe. If I learn of another system that works more effectively towards this aim I will embrace it and transition my region to that system.

If concerns are brought to you as an administrator, handle them with care, listen to victims, investigate carefully, publish your findings safely offsite, and enforce common-sense administrative standards. Sensible members of the NSGP community should commend and support such behavior. When regions terminate relations and demolish embassies it is not blackmailing. Regions must use diplomatic and social pressure to ensure that NationStates is a site free of racism and homophobia.

I am sure that Quebecshire will once again amaze us with his ability to defend how he actively fosters abhorrent behavior and that is fine. I just hope that this post will help novice regional administrators understand what went wrong here and responsibly handle concerns brought to them.

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My purpose for including links to quoted or mentioned materials is not to further antagonize the LCN but to corroborate such materials as I have been accused of false claims throughout this ordeal.

Note: In regards to the first screenshot, it is not the LCNs moderation policy to delete “ironic” and “non hard-r” usages of the n slur.

Edit: One of the links was messed up, fixed.
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Postby Paleocacher » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:04 pm

Voting Stances on WA Security Council vote: Commend Christian Democrats and the WA General Assembly vote: International Criminal Protocol
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The League of Conservative Nations WA delegate San Carlos Islands released the following statement on the LCN's stance on the Security Council proposal at vote: "Commend Christian Democrats" this morning. All LCN members of the WA are encouraged to vote AGAINST this proposal.

First, vote against this resolution because Christian Democrats actively works against the both the citizenry and interests of the League of Conservative nations. This can most plainly be seen in the ensuing debates of this and last week regarding the Access to Abortion vote where they stood behind individuals such as United Massachusetts who slandered our region simply because we voted in a way he didn't like on a GA resolution. No enemy of the LCN deserves to be commended.

Second, vote against because Christian Democrats also works against the best interests of the WA. Christian Democrats signed a document stating that their nation will not comply with Access to Abortion. This is absolutely against the rules of the World Assembly. Vote this resolution down because someone who blatently disrespects the rules of the World Assembly should not be commended by the World Assembly.

For the above reasons, I urge a vote Against this proposal.


Secondly the League of Conservative Nations WA delegate San Carlos Islands released the following statement on the LCN's stance on the General Assembly proposal at vote: "International Criminal Protocol" this morning. In this statement all LCN members are encouraged to vote AGAINST the proposal.

Vote against this resolution because if fails to protect prisoners put on suicide watch from themselves. According to the definition of Protective confinement, prisoners may only be admitted to confinement for their protection if they are posed a risk by other prisoners. But we might ask ourselves, can a prisoner be a danger to themself? Absolutely, Linkprisoner suicides happen at a rate 3.5 times higher than the average for the citizenry in developed countries. Solitary is usually the tool used to mitigate this frightening effect, but if we can no longer use it the suicide rate in prisons will skyrocket.

Next, vote against this resolution because it decreases national sovereignty by taking national control over prisons and transferring that authority to the WA.

For the above reasons, I urge a vote Against this proposal.


If you have any questions please feel free to respond to this post. Thank you.

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Postby Quebecshire » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:06 pm

Bro it’s wild that Thatcher’s example is

A) from January 2019

B) Warnable if it were said today, since our moderation team is actually organized now

C) Something I’ve publicly admitted was a lapse in moderation and apologized for. I was on vacation at the time of its posting, but that doesn’t justify it. It was an error from a different time.

Response to the other crap later, if I feel like it.
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Postby The Noble Thatcherites » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:21 pm

Quebecshire wrote:Bro it’s wild that Thatcher’s example is

A) from January 2019

B) Warnable if it were said today, since our moderation team is actually organized now

C) Something I’ve publicly admitted was a lapse in moderation and apologized for. I was on vacation at the time of its posting, but that doesn’t justify it. It was an error from a different time.

Response to the other crap later, if I feel like it.
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Postby Quebecshire » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:24 pm

The Noble Thatcherites wrote:
Quebecshire wrote:Bro it’s wild that Thatcher’s example is

A) from January 2019

B) Warnable if it were said today, since our moderation team is actually organized now

C) Something I’ve publicly admitted was a lapse in moderation and apologized for. I was on vacation at the time of its posting, but that doesn’t justify it. It was an error from a different time.

Response to the other crap later, if I feel like it.
The point that despite private and public outcry you continue to harbor racist, homophobic, and ableist activity on your server went right past you, didn't it?

Not only is the premise of that question stupid, but uhhhh

Im at work? That’s why I said if I wanted to make a full reply later???
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Postby The Noble Thatcherites » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:27 pm

Quebecshire wrote:
The Noble Thatcherites wrote:The point that despite private and public outcry you continue to harbor racist, homophobic, and ableist activity on your server went right past you, didn't it?

Not only is the premise of that question stupid, but uhhhh

Im at work? That’s why I said if I wanted to make a full reply later???
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Postby Quebecshire » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:30 pm

The Noble Thatcherites wrote:
Quebecshire wrote:Not only is the premise of that question stupid, but uhhhh

Im at work? That’s why I said if I wanted to make a full reply later???
Take as long as you need, Quebec. I know it takes a long time to form an argument in favor of racist, homophobic, and ableist slurs. I'll wait.

I thought you didn’t like entertaining these sort of posts.
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Postby Terranihil » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:36 pm

The Noble Thatcherites wrote:
Quebecshire wrote:Bro it’s wild that Thatcher’s example is

A) from January 2019

B) Warnable if it were said today, since our moderation team is actually organized now

C) Something I’ve publicly admitted was a lapse in moderation and apologized for. I was on vacation at the time of its posting, but that doesn’t justify it. It was an error from a different time.

Response to the other crap later, if I feel like it.
The point that despite private and public outcry you continue to harbor racist, homophobic, and ableist activity on your server went right past you, didn't it?

Despite the outcry, we don’t harbor or tolerate racism, homophobia, or ableism. All of said outcry is coming from foreign “activists”, not minorities, homosexuals and disabled people inside the LCN. The most recent and significant moderation issue was related to Caezar who, after receiving complaints about his behavior, was handled by moderation, a demonstration of our moderation team’s capability. Since then, we have not received complaints from any of the groups you claim to be defending.

Your supposed crusade for the safety of our community is misguided. We have moved on from the UDS. I suggest you move on as well.
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Postby Kanglia » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:39 pm

Terranihil wrote:
The Noble Thatcherites wrote:The point that despite private and public outcry you continue to harbor racist, homophobic, and ableist activity on your server went right past you, didn't it?

Despite the outcry, we don’t harbor or tolerate racism, homophobia, or ableism. All of said outcry is coming from foreign “activists”, not minorities, homosexuals and disabled people inside the LCN. The most recent and significant moderation issue was related to Caezar who, after receiving complaints about his behavior, was handled by moderation, a demonstration of our moderation team’s capability. Since then, we have not received complaints from any of the groups you claim to be defending.

Your supposed crusade for the safety of our community is misguided. We have moved on from the UDS. I suggest you move on as well.


That's why Quebec posted that giant rant yesterday right? Because you all have moved on?
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Postby Quebecshire » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:47 pm

Kanglia wrote:
Terranihil wrote:Despite the outcry, we don’t harbor or tolerate racism, homophobia, or ableism. All of said outcry is coming from foreign “activists”, not minorities, homosexuals and disabled people inside the LCN. The most recent and significant moderation issue was related to Caezar who, after receiving complaints about his behavior, was handled by moderation, a demonstration of our moderation team’s capability. Since then, we have not received complaints from any of the groups you claim to be defending.

Your supposed crusade for the safety of our community is misguided. We have moved on from the UDS. I suggest you move on as well.


That's why Quebec posted that giant rant yesterday right? Because you all have moved on?

The UDS wasn’t the main point. And it was a personal statement, not by our government. Also, nice job responding to anything but Terry’s point about community safety.
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Postby The Noble Thatcherites » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:49 pm

Quebecshire wrote:
The Noble Thatcherites wrote:Take as long as you need, Quebec. I know it takes a long time to form an argument in favor of racist, homophobic, and ableist slurs. I'll wait.

I thought you didn’t like entertaining these sort of posts.
I usually don't but, as I stated, I needed to outline how badly this was handled and how aspiring regional administrators should handle concerns brought to them.

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The Noble Thatcherites wrote:The point that despite private and public outcry you continue to harbor racist, homophobic, and ableist activity on your server went right past you, didn't it?

Despite the outcry, we don’t harbor or tolerate racism, homophobia, or ableism. All of said outcry is coming from foreign “activists”, not minorities, homosexuals and disabled people inside the LCN. The most recent and significant moderation issue was related to Caezar who, after receiving complaints about his behavior, was handled by moderation, a demonstration of our moderation team’s capability. Since then, we have not received complaints from any of the groups you claim to be defending.

Your supposed crusade for the safety of our community is misguided. We have moved on from the UDS. I suggest you move on as well.
As a start, I would look to the words allowed and actively used on your server, including by Quebecshire and other administrators. Again, you ignore the point that administrative teams need to be proactive and a lack of police reports does not equate a safe and welcoming NationStates server.

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Postby Faroic » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:51 pm

Seeing these threads, I'm just glad I left the realms of toxicity, hate and arrogance: the LCN.

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Postby Quebecshire » Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:54 pm

Faroic wrote:Seeing these threads, I'm just glad I left the realms of toxicity, hate and arrogance: the LCN.

Im sorry didnt you say ew when someone mentioned their Muslim faith and didn’t you also defend Caezar when consequences were discussed for his homophobia and racism?

Oh yeah, you did.
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Postby Greater Sacramento » Sat Jul 18, 2020 1:15 pm

Faroic wrote:Seeing these threads, I'm just glad I left the realms of toxicity, hate and arrogance: the LCN.


How were we toxic, hateful and arrogant? When you joined this region we welcomed you with open arms and one of the first things you said to me was "ew" for being Muslim as Quebecshire explained. I did not care enough and just pretended you didn't say that. I helped you set up for the roleplay and helped you get involved as others did. We continued but increasingly day by day you were the one who became more arrogant and hard to deal with. When I was being bullied for my faith, ethnicity, and sexuality why did you not speak up about that toxicity? Everyone else was there to support me except for you and like 4 other people.

You were never shown toxicity, you created situations for yourself to where it made people not like you but we still dealt with you. You were hard to deal with in both an RP setting, gate keeping those who put effort into it, and in the Foreign Affairs department where someone DMed me saying what to do because you kept letting power go through your head. When you were denied the position of the new Director you immediately left the region.

Don't try to make this look like you left because we were toxic when you bullied me for who I was. You left cause you did not get a job you highly unqualified for. That's it.
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