Confederacy of Layem | VICTORY

[Elvatoes]

I feel like Sanctum did something prior to the "LGBT desecration", like what did they do to get something like that?

I'd like to know more about what you're talking about. I know a lot about Layem, but not Sanctum

[Bendicion]

I feel like Sanctum did something prior to the "LGBT desecration", like what did they do to get something like that?

I'd like to know more about what you're talking about. I know a lot about Layem, but not Sanctum

https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=152919&start=3600#p39604915
this thread could help

[Elvatoes]

is there a sanctum forum? if so i am interested for a link for research purposes

[Bendicion]

is there a sanctum forum? if so i am interested for a link for research purposes

I dont think there is and even if there were it should have probably been wiped out

[Elvatoes]

is there a sanctum forum? if so i am interested for a link for research purposes

I dont think there is and even if there were it should have probably been wiped out

understandable, have a great day

[Jewish Underground State]

is there a sanctum forum? if so i am interested for a link for research purposes

Sanctum is still around as Nova Sanctum. Maybe ask its founder.

[RiderSyl]

is there a sanctum forum? if so i am interested for a link for research purposes

Sanctum is still around as Nova Sanctum. Maybe ask its founder.

Sanctum is hilariously split into three regions. Nova Sanctum, Neo Sanctum, and Divine Mandate of Sanctum.

[Ikania]

Sanctum is still around as Nova Sanctum. Maybe ask its founder.

Sanctum is hilariously split into three regions. Nova Sanctum, Neo Sanctum, and Divine Mandate of Sanctum.

Don’t forget Divine Mandate of Sanctum (Marxist-Leninist)

[Elvatoes]

is there a sanctum forum? if so i am interested for a link for research purposes

Sanctum is still around as Nova Sanctum. Maybe ask its founder.

ye i know that, i'm just not very familiar with it's history. I was actually a member for a short time this year, but was mostly inactive.

[Arpasia]

I'd like to know more about what you're talking about. I know a lot about Layem, but not Sanctum

https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=152919&start=3600#p39604915
this thread could help

Oh, that explains why it seems as though god himself has left the region.

[Jewish Underground State]

Well let's put the last log on the fire.


Layem. Some will miss you. Others will dance atop your grave. You were a failed idea. You are a warning for all regions.

[Elvatoes]

Well let's put the last log on the fire.


Layem. Some will miss you. Others will dance atop your grave. You were a failed idea. You are a warning for all regions.

But I will give you this

Your inhabitants fought for what they believed in. In a weird twisted way, I find that noble.

gone (unfortunately or fortunately, depends who you are) but not forgotten

[Apatosaurus]

Confederacy of Layem | VICTORY (for Antifa)! :D

[The Proud Transphobe]

Yay. The lesser of two evils wins, I guess. Though to be fair, I don't think it is fair to include Antifa in the win. This was clearly going to happen with or without them, so I think we can safely say Antifa's involvement is actually irrelevant. Actually, this 'win' is more of a loss because it just shows how unnecessary they are. They're ultimately just clinging to relevancy, because extremists of all stripes are in fact the enemy of the average person.

[RiderSyl]

Yay. The lesser of two evils wins, I guess. Though to be fair, I don't think it is fair to include Antifa in the win. This was clearly going to happen with or without them, so I think we can safely say Antifa's involvement is actually irrelevant. Actually, this 'win' is more of a loss because it just shows how unnecessary they are. They're ultimately just clinging to relevancy, because extremists of all stripes are in fact the enemy of the average person.

And in the above exhibit is this amazing post, appropriately titled "Slowly Descending Down The Staircase Of Cope Before Tripping And Hitting Every Step On The Way Down".

[The King Isle]

Confederacy of Layem | VICTORY (for Antifa)!

Yay! Welcome back too!

[Jewish Underground State]

Yay. The lesser of two evils wins, I guess. Though to be fair, I don't think it is fair to include Antifa in the win. This was clearly going to happen with or without them, so I think we can safely say Antifa's involvement is actually irrelevant. Actually, this 'win' is more of a loss because it just shows how unnecessary they are. They're ultimately just clinging to relevancy, because extremists of all stripes are in fact the enemy of the average person.

Facts. Layem was raided because they pissed so many people off.

[Arpasia]

Yay. The lesser of two evils wins, I guess. Though to be fair, I don't think it is fair to include Antifa in the win. This was clearly going to happen with or without them, so I think we can safely say Antifa's involvement is actually irrelevant. Actually, this 'win' is more of a loss because it just shows how unnecessary they are. They're ultimately just clinging to relevancy, because extremists of all stripes are in fact the enemy of the average person.

Facts. Layem was raided because they pissed so many people off.

I don't give a fuck,
God sent me to piss the world off.

That basically sums up your post.

[Straona]

Yay. The lesser of two evils wins, I guess. Though to be fair, I don't think it is fair to include Antifa in the win. This was clearly going to happen with or without them, so I think we can safely say Antifa's involvement is actually irrelevant. Actually, this 'win' is more of a loss because it just shows how unnecessary they are. They're ultimately just clinging to relevancy, because extremists of all stripes are in fact the enemy of the average person.

Yep. People praise Antifa as if they were the ones who were behind the raid when in reality Layem pissed people off to the point of no return. You don't need an antifa here to take out an extremely deplorable region. The raid would've happened with or without them

[Xoriet]

Yay. The lesser of two evils wins, I guess. Though to be fair, I don't think it is fair to include Antifa in the win. This was clearly going to happen with or without them, so I think we can safely say Antifa's involvement is actually irrelevant. Actually, this 'win' is more of a loss because it just shows how unnecessary they are. They're ultimately just clinging to relevancy, because extremists of all stripes are in fact the enemy of the average person.

Yep. People praise Antifa as if they were the ones who were behind the raid when in reality Layem pissed people off to the point of no return. You don't need an antifa here to take out an extremely deplorable region. The raid would've happened with or without them

Actually, you're not too correct here. Antifa's server is a neutral ground where people across the R/D spectrum feel comfortable coordinating with each other and are expected to be civil to each other regardless of ideological differences, and as a result all of these nice, big operations against problematic regions are possible in their current form. Without having a group that is able to be the umbrella that isn't raider or defender under which we all reach a common ground and get things done, we wouldn't be having nearly this much success in gathering together to get things done.

[Straona]

Yep. People praise Antifa as if they were the ones who were behind the raid when in reality Layem pissed people off to the point of no return. You don't need an antifa here to take out an extremely deplorable region. The raid would've happened with or without them

Actually, you're not too correct here. Antifa's server is a neutral ground where people across the R/D spectrum feel comfortable coordinating with each other and are expected to be civil to each other regardless of ideological differences, and as a result all of these nice, big operations against problematic regions are possible in their current form. Without having a group that is able to be the umbrella that isn't raider or defender under which we all reach a common ground and get things done, we wouldn't be having nearly this much success in gathering together to get things done.

sure. I'll believe that when I see it. You can see R/D nations talking in a neutral environment regardless of whether Antifa is the reason or not. Its called IRL hobbies that many people share. This website is not some big part of the online world. Its total population is less than the smallest populated state in the US. It isn't a huge platform.

R/D nations aren't as hostile to each other as you think especially when new members discover that their opposites share similar real tangible interests outside of this site. Again I will believe Antifa is this big force making people quiver in fear when I see it. That group is only "feared" because of regions like The Black Hawks that help it. Not the group itself

[Xoriet]

sure. I'll believe that when I see it. You can see R/D nations talking in a neutral environment regardless of whether Antifa is the reason or not. Its called IRL hobbies that many people share. This website is not some big part of the online world. Its total population is less than the smallest populated state in the US. It isn't a huge platform.

R/D nations aren't as hostile to each other as you think especially when new members discover that their opposites share similar real tangible interests outside of this site. Again I will believe Antifa is this big force making people quiver in fear when I see it. That group is only "feared" because of regions like The Black Hawks that help it. Not the group itself

Your entire post is a textbook example of how to say "I'm wrong and I will demonstrate it to the world" in two paragraphs. Just because Gameplayers interact with each other in neutral spaces has nothing to do with the depth of the politics and ideological struggles that go on otherwise. Whether or not individual players are willing to interact with each other on civil terms in a public space has nothing to do with whether or not those players are willing to cooperate outside of a social setting.

Antifa is essentially what created the exact symbol that was needed for all of us to get along and play nicely in pursuit of a common goal. Past antifascist efforts were marred by rivalries, arguments over who got credit, tensions between the sides, and general dissent leading up to the operation itself and extending to after the fact.

Furthermore, the most key point of how objectively, utterly, and overwhelmingly wrong you are: Antifa doesn't need TBH to collectively pull 50-60 pilers among the members of Antifa and their friends and 20+ updaters for standard fascist operations outside of the big ops like Genua, Sanctum, and Layem. TBH is a very new addition to Antifa itself and before last year would not cooperate with it at all under their own name if defender groups attended.

Nice try, and maybe study up R/D dynamics, NS politics, and game history before trying to explain Antifa and its role in the game to someone who has been closely working with it since 2019.

[Straona]

sure. I'll believe that when I see it. You can see R/D nations talking in a neutral environment regardless of whether Antifa is the reason or not. Its called IRL hobbies that many people share. This website is not some big part of the online world. Its total population is less than the smallest populated state in the US. It isn't a huge platform.

R/D nations aren't as hostile to each other as you think especially when new members discover that their opposites share similar real tangible interests outside of this site. Again I will believe Antifa is this big force making people quiver in fear when I see it. That group is only "feared" because of regions like The Black Hawks that help it. Not the group itself

Your entire post is a textbook example of how to say "I'm wrong and I will demonstrate it to the world" in two paragraphs. Just because Gameplayers interact with each other in neutral spaces has nothing to do with the depth of the politics and ideological struggles that go on otherwise. Whether or not individual players are willing to interact with each other on civil terms in a public space has nothing to do with whether or not those players are willing to cooperate outside of a social setting.

Antifa is essentially what created the exact symbol that was needed for all of us to get along and play nicely in pursuit of a common goal. Past antifascist efforts were marred by rivalries, arguments over who got credit, tensions between the sides, and general dissent leading up to the operation itself and extending to after the fact.

Furthermore, the most key point of how objectively, utterly, and overwhelmingly wrong you are: Antifa doesn't need TBH to collectively pull 50-60 pilers among the members of Antifa and their friends and 20+ updaters for standard fascist operations outside of the big ops like Genua, Sanctum, and Layem. TBH is a very new addition to Antifa itself and before last year would not cooperate with it at all under their own name if defender groups attended.

Nice try, and maybe study up R/D dynamics, NS politics, and game history before trying to explain Antifa and its role in the game to someone who has been closely working with it since 2019.

You are free to call me wrong all you like I will not change my stance for some bigwig in the Pacific. You are not the only way for opposing groups to interact in an amicable way on this tiny website so do not act like you are a paragon of cooperation. NS's Z-Day and N-Day do a better job in instilling cooperation through friendly competition. Average nations in NS could not care less about that group just as much as they don't care about majority of the regions in here that they aren't a part of you know why it doesn't affect them. Your actions don't really do anything to get the attention of the average people as they just do not care. They are more focused on their own regions and trying to build communities than your efforts. Don't get me wrong I am glad those regions are gone as their members harassed or threatened harassment on two regions that I have been apart of. Part of said harassment was Maur and Affray calling a leading figure in Declansburg certain words I cannot say here and them directing said words to me as well when I called them out on their "Christian" facade. But don't think that the average person has ever heard of your group until Sanctum got sacked. Before then I had never even heard of your group that's just my perspective but don't think I am not the only one to have never heard of you before a certain point in NS history.

Also you make NS Politics and R/D dynamics on the level of toxicity of Black Ops 1 multiplayer servers when that is far from the case

[Jewish Underground State]

Facts. Layem was raided because they pissed so many people off.

I don't give a fuck,
God sent me to piss the world off.

That basically sums up your post.

I was going to raid Layem once everyone else did since their leaders were toxic and fascist.

But yeah your guess is correct in a way.