Confederacy of Layem | VICTORY

[Reploid Productions]

My complaint is not about moderator misconduct but instead about how ridiculous the rules are. If you’re not allowed to insult anyone in a game where conflicts and disagreements happen regularly, then I don’t know what your colleagues are doing. Besides that, how come only members from Layem and Sanctum were punished for supposed flaming? I’m pretty sure that a fair amount of misconduct came from the opposition as well. Knock it off.

If the other side is also flaming, at risk of sounding like a broken record, then report it. You want to discuss the site rules, that's over in the moderation forum. How about we take the moderation stuff where it belongs so that Layem's thread can resume discussing Layem's business.

[Greater Hualonia]

Ah yes, deleting my nation for failing to condense my valid arguments into a single message. If I was warned for posting with a puppet in another region’s RMB, what about Clandestinopole? Seems like blatant and shameless bias to me.

the difference being that the other person wasn't flaming other people. That's not "defending your region" that going out and spreading nasty messages to others by spamming flaming content on their RMB and Discord......which your government claims didn't happen, but here, in this instance, their claims are being contradicted.

I'm starting to see a pattern and I can understand why Bradfordsburg agreed to the terms if it was just to get the persistent attacks to cease in the name of peace at whatever cost. He was doing that for his region's people and his mental health obviously. Can the issue not be dropped ??

Do you actually know what I sent in the Declansburg RMB? If not then your argument above is invalid

[Gondor and of Arnor]

100% agree with Hua.

[Greater Hualonia]

FYI, here are the things I said in the Declansburg RMB as I recall them:
1. Something about the war is over, let peace be eternal
2. Message telling Odinburgh to publish the terms of the peace treaty
3. Message appreciating Odinburgh’s maturity
4. Gets muted

[Neutraligon]

My complaint is not about moderator misconduct but instead about how ridiculous the rules are. If you’re not allowed to insult anyone in a game where conflicts and disagreements happen regularly, then I don’t know what your colleagues are doing. Besides that, how come only members from Layem and Sanctum were punished for supposed flaming? I’m pretty sure that a fair amount of misconduct came from the opposition as well. Knock it off.

Then once again take it to moderations, gameplay is NOT the place to discuss rules or report flaming/trolling/etc. Keep discussing it here is rule-breaking, of the threadjacking variant so I would suggest stopping. Right now you are well on your way to a warning or ban for it.

[Greater Hualonia]

If that counts as flaming, then Clandestinopole should have their nation deleted as well.

[Greater Hualonia]

My complaint is not about moderator misconduct but instead about how ridiculous the rules are. If you’re not allowed to insult anyone in a game where conflicts and disagreements happen regularly, then I don’t know what your colleagues are doing. Besides that, how come only members from Layem and Sanctum were punished for supposed flaming? I’m pretty sure that a fair amount of misconduct came from the opposition as well. Knock it off.

Then once again take it to moderations, gameplay is NOT the place to discuss rules or report flaming/trolling/etc. Keep discussing it here is rule-breaking, of the threadjacking variant so I would suggest stopping. Right now you are well on your way to a warning or ban for it.

I’m sorry, I’m just discussing the war and how the mods are obviously all on Declansburg’s side for offsite rumors that they can’t confirm.

[Greater Hualonia]

I acknowledge that I am breaking rules but this is honestly just bias. That’s the end of my rant, I guess. Cheerio.

[Greater Hualonia]

Proof? Ok and? Any askers?

Yep there is an abundance of proof in large files on the NSL server. Including images of conversations in which you and Maur were making fun of trans people behind their backs, lots of vile things were said, that can't be repeated onsite here. You should know that sharing any of those images onsite is against the rules. If people share those files off-site though that's between those people.

You hold the founder account to Sanctum and are just as much responsible. Layem at least had seemed to be getting back to decency but Sanctum has been a bad influence on them. Layem could do so much better without Sanctum.

Edit: to clarify, the anti trans talk I'm referring to isn't recent, but more evidence has come forth from previous events.

To Maur, you all could of handled any issues with Declansburg better than to send out homophobic campaigns against them off-site. Whether you know who is doing it or not, you can denounce that kind of behavior as a founder and if you do know who then have a private chat with them unless it's so bad that you'd have to eject or whichever regional punishments exist. Don't let Sanctum drag you down. I had noticed some improvements before these alleged allegations.

It would actually be quite convenient if we were actually shown the ‘large files’.

[Korovan]

FYI, here are the things I said in the Declansburg RMB as I recall them:
1. Something about the war is over, let peace be eternal
2. Message telling Odinburgh to publish the terms of the peace treaty
3. Message appreciating Odinburgh’s maturity
4. Gets muted

yeah you did those things and you also did more than just that. Yes, attacking the person and not the argument is known as a personal attack/insult of the user aka Flaming. Yes posting messages on another regions Rmb in order to piss them off and knowing full well that your region aimed to do such, that's called flamebaiting. The rules for the site are fair and sensible. Mods are not "out to get you". If you break a rule there's consequences to doing so and in using this site you are agreeing to those rules and acknowledge that your actions may lead to consequences.

You could of done all the above that you mentioned without the need to attack the person's character or anything about them. You could of attacked what they said and did so without going into personal attacks. In other words, attack what is said not the person saying it. It's much easier to accept that a mistake was made, do an internal reflection on it, then learn and grow as an individual from those mistakes. All the while accepting feedback as well.

Flame/Threats:Personal attacks against other players, expressed via OOC (out-of-character) comments; insults, swearing and anything posted with intent to offend. In-character remarks can be interpreted this way as well; watch what you post if other posters are unaware you're not serious. Erudite slams while maintaining a veneer of politeness can also be considered flaming. Repeated instances of flaming directed at the same player can be considered harassment, a more serious offense.

Flamebaiting: Posts that are made with the aim of angering someone indirectly. Not outright flame, but still liable to bring angry replies. Flame baiting is a far more subtle and covert action; it is an underhanded tactic that is designed to provoke a response from another player. It's in the same context of trolling but with flamebaiting it's just the one person. Also included under flamebaiting is malicious quote editing, changing the contents of a quoted post without showing the original text, either through color changes or strike-out.

[Mauroa]

FYI, here are the things I said in the Declansburg RMB as I recall them:
1. Something about the war is over, let peace be eternal
2. Message telling Odinburgh to publish the terms of the peace treaty
3. Message appreciating Odinburgh’s maturity
4. Gets muted

yeah you did those things and you also did more than just that. Yes, attacking the person and not the argument is known as a personal attack/insult of the user aka Flaming. Yes posting messages on another regions Rmb in order to piss them off and knowing full well that your region aimed to do such, that's called flamebaiting. The rules for the site are fair and sensible. Mods are not "out to get you". If you break a rule there's consequences to doing so and in using this site you are agreeing to those rules and acknowledge that your actions may lead to consequences.

You could of done all the above that you mentioned without the need to attack the person's character or anything about them. You could of attacked what they said and did so without going into personal attacks. In other words, attack what is said not the person saying it. It's much easier to accept that a mistake was made, do an internal reflection on it, then learn and grow as an individual from those mistakes. All the while accepting feedback as well.

Flame/Threats:Personal attacks against other players, expressed via OOC (out-of-character) comments; insults, swearing and anything posted with intent to offend. In-character remarks can be interpreted this way as well; watch what you post if other posters are unaware you're not serious. Erudite slams while maintaining a veneer of politeness can also be considered flaming. Repeated instances of flaming directed at the same player can be considered harassment, a more serious offense.

Flamebaiting: Posts that are made with the aim of angering someone indirectly. Not outright flame, but still liable to bring angry replies. Flame baiting is a far more subtle and covert action; it is an underhanded tactic that is designed to provoke a response from another player. It's in the same context of trolling but with flamebaiting it's just the one person. Also included under flamebaiting is malicious quote editing, changing the contents of a quoted post without showing the original text, either through color changes or strike-out.

I wouldn't even talk about flame baiting if I was you. Your entire account is dedicated to Layem and trying to report us to the mods. Take a look at your history. It's sad that you have to hide behind an alt account to do it. If anything.. it means you're scared of us.

[United Republic Empire]

Yep there is an abundance of proof in large files on the NSL server. Including images of conversations in which you and Maur were making fun of trans people behind their backs, lots of vile things were said, that can't be repeated onsite here. You should know that sharing any of those images onsite is against the rules. If people share those files off-site though that's between those people.

You hold the founder account to Sanctum and are just as much responsible. Layem at least had seemed to be getting back to decency but Sanctum has been a bad influence on them. Layem could do so much better without Sanctum.

Edit: to clarify, the anti trans talk I'm referring to isn't recent, but more evidence has come forth from previous events.

To Maur, you all could of handled any issues with Declansburg better than to send out homophobic campaigns against them off-site. Whether you know who is doing it or not, you can denounce that kind of behavior as a founder and if you do know who then have a private chat with them unless it's so bad that you'd have to eject or whichever regional punishments exist. Don't let Sanctum drag you down. I had noticed some improvements before these alleged allegations.

It would actually be quite convenient if we were actually shown the ‘large files’.

Baas and Benderk both have access to that server and are not breaking any rules there. They haven't caused any trouble or problems since joining either. Just talk to your representatives, but also know that the ones that hold those files maybe unwilling to share with the regions in the files due to the belief that the content will just be maliciously used to continue spreading it around. They have no way of knowing one way or the other 100% so they tend to err on the safe side.

[Korovan]

yeah you did those things and you also did more than just that. Yes, attacking the person and not the argument is known as a personal attack/insult of the user aka Flaming. Yes posting messages on another regions Rmb in order to piss them off and knowing full well that your region aimed to do such, that's called flamebaiting. The rules for the site are fair and sensible. Mods are not "out to get you". If you break a rule there's consequences to doing so and in using this site you are agreeing to those rules and acknowledge that your actions may lead to consequences.

You could of done all the above that you mentioned without the need to attack the person's character or anything about them. You could of attacked what they said and did so without going into personal attacks. In other words, attack what is said not the person saying it. It's much easier to accept that a mistake was made, do an internal reflection on it, then learn and grow as an individual from those mistakes. All the while accepting feedback as well.

Flame/Threats:Personal attacks against other players, expressed via OOC (out-of-character) comments; insults, swearing and anything posted with intent to offend. In-character remarks can be interpreted this way as well; watch what you post if other posters are unaware you're not serious. Erudite slams while maintaining a veneer of politeness can also be considered flaming. Repeated instances of flaming directed at the same player can be considered harassment, a more serious offense.

Flamebaiting: Posts that are made with the aim of angering someone indirectly. Not outright flame, but still liable to bring angry replies. Flame baiting is a far more subtle and covert action; it is an underhanded tactic that is designed to provoke a response from another player. It's in the same context of trolling but with flamebaiting it's just the one person. Also included under flamebaiting is malicious quote editing, changing the contents of a quoted post without showing the original text, either through color changes or strike-out.

I wouldn't even talk about flame baiting if I was you. Your entire account is dedicated to Layem and trying to report us to the mods. Take a look at your history. It's sad that you have to hide behind an alt account to do it. If anything.. it means you're scared of us.

Yes 100% sad that someone doesn't want to be another victim of Layem's attacks towards the LGBTQ+ community. I'd rather not end up with thoughts of wanting to self harm thank you.

[United Republic Empire]

yeah you did those things and you also did more than just that. Yes, attacking the person and not the argument is known as a personal attack/insult of the user aka Flaming. Yes posting messages on another regions Rmb in order to piss them off and knowing full well that your region aimed to do such, that's called flamebaiting. The rules for the site are fair and sensible. Mods are not "out to get you". If you break a rule there's consequences to doing so and in using this site you are agreeing to those rules and acknowledge that your actions may lead to consequences.

You could of done all the above that you mentioned without the need to attack the person's character or anything about them. You could of attacked what they said and did so without going into personal attacks. In other words, attack what is said not the person saying it. It's much easier to accept that a mistake was made, do an internal reflection on it, then learn and grow as an individual from those mistakes. All the while accepting feedback as well.

Flame/Threats:Personal attacks against other players, expressed via OOC (out-of-character) comments; insults, swearing and anything posted with intent to offend. In-character remarks can be interpreted this way as well; watch what you post if other posters are unaware you're not serious. Erudite slams while maintaining a veneer of politeness can also be considered flaming. Repeated instances of flaming directed at the same player can be considered harassment, a more serious offense.

Flamebaiting: Posts that are made with the aim of angering someone indirectly. Not outright flame, but still liable to bring angry replies. Flame baiting is a far more subtle and covert action; it is an underhanded tactic that is designed to provoke a response from another player. It's in the same context of trolling but with flamebaiting it's just the one person. Also included under flamebaiting is malicious quote editing, changing the contents of a quoted post without showing the original text, either through color changes or strike-out.

I wouldn't even talk about flame baiting if I was you. Your entire account is dedicated to Layem and trying to report us to the mods. Take a look at your history. It's sad that you have to hide behind an alt account to do it. If anything.. it means you're scared of us.

scratches head - Maur you know that only makes sense against them if they were flamebaiting or such as well/too right ? Also that last sentence looks like it could be a little borderline to being considered flamebait but I think it is mild at best.

[Mauroa]

I wouldn't even talk about flame baiting if I was you. Your entire account is dedicated to Layem and trying to report us to the mods. Take a look at your history. It's sad that you have to hide behind an alt account to do it. If anything.. it means you're scared of us.

Yes 100% sad that someone doesn't want to be another victim of Layem's attacks towards the LGBTQ+ community. I'd rather not end up with thoughts of wanting to self harm thank you.

What LGBTQIA+ attacks are you referring to? If you can put them into an imgur folder for me, that'd be nice.

[Mauroa]

I wouldn't even talk about flame baiting if I was you. Your entire account is dedicated to Layem and trying to report us to the mods. Take a look at your history. It's sad that you have to hide behind an alt account to do it. If anything.. it means you're scared of us.

scratches head - Maur you know that only makes sense against them if they were flamebaiting or such as well/too right ? Also that last sentence looks like it could be a little borderline to being considered flamebait but I think it is mild at best.

I mean he's practically saying we cause people self harm with no proof of any LGBTQIA+ attacks. Also his entire account has been dedicated to Layem.

[Greater Hualonia]

FYI, here are the things I said in the Declansburg RMB as I recall them:
1. Something about the war is over, let peace be eternal
2. Message telling Odinburgh to publish the terms of the peace treaty
3. Message appreciating Odinburgh’s maturity
4. Gets muted

yeah you did those things and you also did more than just that. Yes, attacking the person and not the argument is known as a personal attack/insult of the user aka Flaming. Yes posting messages on another regions Rmb in order to piss them off and knowing full well that your region aimed to do such, that's called flamebaiting. The rules for the site are fair and sensible. Mods are not "out to get you". If you break a rule there's consequences to doing so and in using this site you are agreeing to those rules and acknowledge that your actions may lead to consequences.

You could of done all the above that you mentioned without the need to attack the person's character or anything about them. You could of attacked what they said and did so without going into personal attacks. In other words, attack what is said not the person saying it. It's much easier to accept that a mistake was made, do an internal reflection on it, then learn and grow as an individual from those mistakes. All the while accepting feedback as well.

Flame/Threats:Personal attacks against other players, expressed via OOC (out-of-character) comments; insults, swearing and anything posted with intent to offend. In-character remarks can be interpreted this way as well; watch what you post if other posters are unaware you're not serious. Erudite slams while maintaining a veneer of politeness can also be considered flaming. Repeated instances of flaming directed at the same player can be considered harassment, a more serious offense.

Flamebaiting: Posts that are made with the aim of angering someone indirectly. Not outright flame, but still liable to bring angry replies. Flame baiting is a far more subtle and covert action; it is an underhanded tactic that is designed to provoke a response from another player. It's in the same context of trolling but with flamebaiting it's just the one person. Also included under flamebaiting is malicious quote editing, changing the contents of a quoted post without showing the original text, either through color changes or strike-out.

How disappointing. Odin saw what I said and he knows that it wasn’t anything remotely close to any form of flaming and if he’s a decent person he’ll speak the truth. I’ve read through your past posts (I’m not very active on this forum) and everything you say and do is directed at Layem. How about you show up face-to-face, just like Brad honorably decided to do? Pretty sure that harassment is disallowed in the forums. as you mentioned above.

[Greater Hualonia]

Layem and Sanctum are problematic

and your post in the sanctum rmb just got suppressed by a mod

[Mallorea and Riva]

I acknowledge that I am breaking rules but this is honestly just bias. That’s the end of my rant, I guess. Cheerio.

And yet the rant continued. Neut tried to steer you to the right course, but that didn't seem to take hold. Take a *** One Day Ban *** for threadjacking. No one on the Moderation team cares about whatever GP-war you have going on, so the sooner you stop making it our problem by breaking the rules the sooner you can get back to it.

[The King Isle]

Well, guess Layem just lost its ally sanctum

[Klaus Devestatorie]

Well, guess Layem just lost its ally sanctum

Addition by subtraction.

[Nepleslia]

Rest in peace, Sanctum; though you burned briefly, you burned the brightest of all. ;-;7

Tis’ a shame to see the tolerant left ruthlessly eradicate yet another conservative - not fascist (afaik), conservative - region, but I guess I can’t be too shocked given that this is the LeftPlay forum, where any region that even hints at leaning towards the right is invaded, vandalized, and destroyed the moment they become vulnerable.

[The Universe World]

Rest in peace, Sanctum; though you burned briefly, you burned the brightest of all. ;-;7

Tis’ a shame to see the tolerant left ruthlessly eradicate yet another conservative - not fascist (afaik), conservative - region, but I guess I can’t be too shocked given that this is the LeftPlay forum, where any region that even hints at leaning towards the right is invaded, vandalized, and destroyed the moment they become vulnerable.

They were raided for being a conservative region? I thought they were raided because the founder was a mean bully.

[Nepleslia]

Rest in peace, Sanctum; though you burned briefly, you burned the brightest of all. ;-;7

Tis’ a shame to see the tolerant left ruthlessly eradicate yet another conservative - not fascist (afaik), conservative - region, but I guess I can’t be too shocked given that this is the LeftPlay forum, where any region that even hints at leaning towards the right is invaded, vandalized, and destroyed the moment they become vulnerable.

They were raided for being a conservative region? I thought they were raided because the founder was a mean bully.

That’s… something I completely forgot when making my post, though after thinking about it I don’t believe that a founder’s conduct is quite enough to justify pillaging a region - it’s close to being one, but not sufficient on its own.

[Layem]

Well, guess Layem just lost its ally sanctum

The Layem Foreign Ministry will continue it's relations with Sanctum in their new region, Nova Sanctum. Keep in mind this region lacks the individuals that so many people hated, and should not be harassed due to the need of keeping the community of Sanctum alive.