Balder, Europeia, The LKE to Launch UIAF 4.0

[Glen-Rhodes]

TWP is welcome to surprise everybody, if they want. They weren’t all that consequential in 2014 when the UIAF was at its peak, and they aren’t making many moves now. TWP has never been the GCR at the forefront of anything, so I’m assuming along with Cormac that they’ll fall into the same pattern as always: support the raiders, and provide troops whenever their military has them, but otherwise leave leadership up to others.

Mmmmm, try again son! Just because we don't tend to make shitty comments in this forum begging for attention and justifying our every move doesn't mean that we are not making moves. And we certainly don't need hacks like y'all from GP, approval when we do. Therefore, please continue as you were and keep our names out of your mouth!

Really our allies in Balder, Europeia, and LKE are doing there thing. Whatever alphabet soup grouping makes them happy makes us happy. Hell, we will invite them to collectively raid with us and do the same with them.

Anything that brings communities together is a good thing!

> I say TWP will be content to support raiders and let other regions lead
> Badger says "try again son, we're making moves!"
> Says IJCC is doing their thing and TWP will support whatever makes them happy

Me:

[RiderSyl]

> I say TWP will be content to support raiders and let other regions lead
> Badger says "try again son, we're making moves!"
> Says IJCC is doing their thing and TWP will support whatever makes them happy

Me:

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So that means you're perfectly satisfied with that "let other regions lead" part and all the other trash talk about TWP being not "all that consequential" in your original post remaining unproven, all because you got Badger to say TWP is supporting the IJCC.

Alternatively, you foolishly think that Badger saying "TWP is okay with 3 regions doing this thing" is tantamount to proof that they won't be providing leadership, won't be on the forefront of affairs, and all the other things you said about them that I'm too lazy to recite word for word.

If it's the former... Good job? If it's the latter, then that's some broken-ass logic and a scary lack of understanding of how alliances work from someone with such government experience.

[Glen-Rhodes]

Thank you for describing how language works, Syl?

[RiderSyl]

I did more than that, but if you're not going to address the rest of my comment, that's fine.

[Glen-Rhodes]

I did more than that, but if you're not going to address the rest of my comment, that's fine.

People will believe what they want to believe, along predictable NSGP fault lines. And that includes choosing what my words mean, no matter how they're written, how much they're explained, or how high of Flesch–Kincaid score they have. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'm comfortable taking the bet that TWP is going to do what TWP always does. Like I said, they're free to surprise everybody.

[RiderSyl]

I did more than that, but if you're not going to address the rest of my comment, that's fine.

People will believe what they want to believe, along predictable NSGP fault lines. And that includes choosing what my words mean, no matter how they're written, how much they're explained, or how high of Flesch–Kincaid score they have. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

If I'm taking your Oprah Winfrey GIF and twisting its words, then you've been maliciously photoshopping my quotes in your replies.

[Roavin]

Shocking revelation: out of context quotes from ages ago still generally convey that that pure raiders hesitate to build new relationships with an org they've been finding difficult to trust, a little close for comfort with their sworn enemies?

I was technically doing you a favor by not including the context. But you know what it's about and you and I both know precisely what you were trying to achieve.

whose quotes are these?

Sounds like a discussion I had with Imki ages ago, when she was leading SPSF and Roavin was just a potential successor. There was some outreach both ways about maybe working with raiders a bit more, and then we got turned off by an incident where we felt misled and that we could not rely on SPSF. Some of it was a bit strong, perhaps, but we judge relationships largely on whether they'll be a reliable net positive to our raiding capabilities, and this was not looking that way. Would have been about the era where TGW got kicked out of our sever for a mixture of spying and unacceptably intense recruitment efforts from us, which added to tension/distrust.

First, that supposed "outreach" had already happened months prior, and in fact SPSF participated in an operation with TBH not long before that (the failed EU raid for which SPSF gave TBH several updaters). But you knew this, because you did say this incident was when I was a potential successor, and the EU raid attempt was while I was still a fresh soldier that nobody knew about. So, a lie.

Second, TGW getting kicked out happened after the Nakari incident, 6 months later. But you knew this, because you know exactly that it was the Nakari incident, over which you're bitter to this day, that led to that. So, a lie.

And finally, the actual incident had nothing to do with TBH. And yet Souls was playing upset. Why?

1+1=....?

I'm sure you have spicier quotes of mine to pull out of context. Something that actually shows at least my disdain for some certain GCR governments has be a bit better than quotes from a discussion about potential military cooperation or lack thereof. Got any of me doing something actually somewhat subversive, like trying to infiltrate one or swing a vote in it? You can do better than this.

In time, and without needing to pull any them out of context. Patience is a virtue. How do you feel about non-TBH raider groups recruiting, by the way?

[Consular]

Very interesting! I wonder how long this has been in the works.

It's true of course that the UIAF did end pretty badly, which is such an understatement but let's not go there, I'm not going to dive into the reasons why again. They don't really matter. The point is that the artificially engineered hilariously bad ending does not detract from the fact that, at the height of its strength, the UIAF was very much massively successful. Anyone who denies that is just silly and should go over there and stand in the silly corner. This partnership has a chance to achieve the same thing, the same success. Considering I'm not a part of it and never will be, it also has a chance to not end in a fiery tornado of drama too.

I think though that ultimately the strength of the UIAF, what held it together and pushed it forwards, was not it's three member regions. This is just my (pretty well informed) opinion but anyway. Instead it was particular individuals: the likes of Onder (I've never denied that his consistency and organisational skills are good assets, though his public image left us wanting), Charles of course (!!!), and the rest of the Cerebella family (back when we were all hard-line imps). These individuals kept the big wheel turning with their ambitions. It will be exciting to see if individuals in these three regions demonstrate similar characteristics, or if this potential is squandered.

I haven't seen any ISRA comparisons floating about, which is surprising. Will this be a UIAF or ISRA?? I'm optimistic (maybe pessimistic depending on your perspective!) and am leaning towards it being the former, but we will see soon enough.

Good luck!

[RiderSyl]

You know it's big when Consular dedicates more than a few lines to it