by Gibraltarica » Sat Apr 14, 2018 5:38 pm
by Glen-Rhodes » Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:30 pm
by Sea Lion » Sat Apr 14, 2018 8:14 pm
Glen-Rhodes wrote:There's an uptick in using the word because the game is currently going through another period where ambitious players are trying to accumulate power across GCRs.
by Glacikaldr » Sat Apr 14, 2018 8:36 pm
by Salvarity » Sat Apr 14, 2018 9:30 pm
Glacikaldr wrote:It's a bit of silly ain't it? If a player wants to make or join a UCR, they probably wouldn't be contributing that energy to GCRs anyway. They have the choice to make a new region with their friends or to make new ones.
Then again, I'm not sure where I stand on the term 'userite', as I definitely oppose the UCR occupation of TRR's sister region, Lazarus.
With all this said, I don't really see the appeal in UCRs.
by Evolu Tanis » Sat Apr 14, 2018 10:09 pm
Glen-Rhodes wrote:It doesn't mean that your UCR accomplishments don't mean anything, or that the region(s) you've made are useless and less than. It's all about the belief that players lacking loyalty to GCRs, yet maneuvering politically within them, are nefarious, usually up to no good more often than not.
by Yuno Surveillance System » Sat Apr 14, 2018 11:10 pm
by Cormactopia Prime » Sun Apr 15, 2018 12:54 am
by RiderSyl » Sun Apr 15, 2018 2:36 am
by Flanderlion » Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:40 am
by Roavin » Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:42 am
by Aclion » Sun Apr 15, 2018 5:57 am
Cormactopia Prime wrote:I don't think the term "userite" really applies to everyone in UCRs, but rather to those who are trying to accumulate power in GCRs with the interests of their UCR(s) or userite ideology in mind, as Glen-Rhodes said. In that sense, I don't think it really has anything to do with UCRs being inferior.
by Cormactopia Prime » Sun Apr 15, 2018 6:54 am
Aclion wrote:Cormactopia Prime wrote:I don't think the term "userite" really applies to everyone in UCRs, but rather to those who are trying to accumulate power in GCRs with the interests of their UCR(s) or userite ideology in mind, as Glen-Rhodes said. In that sense, I don't think it really has anything to do with UCRs being inferior.
Thing is the only successful subversion we've seen recently is in Lazarus, which was done by a UCR with the backing of several GCRs, and opposed by both UCRs and GCRs.
Chalking it down to Userites is distortionist, and just alienates GCRs to subversive GCRs who we've seen have no scruples about working with UCRs to topple their fellows.
by Gibraltarica » Sun Apr 15, 2018 7:16 am
Flanderlion wrote:Snip
by Cormactopia Prime » Sun Apr 15, 2018 7:39 am
Gibraltarica wrote:Flanderlion wrote:Snip
I would argue that people who interact with you from UCRs in GCRs are more likely to be people on the run, or with ego complexes, for the simple fact that once they know what GCRs are, they want to coup one, and if they've been banned from other regions, that gives them more incentive to try. In other words, you don't have a userite problem, you have a sample consistency problem. UCRs have run into similar problems with cosmopolitans with shady histories.
by Unibot III » Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:15 am
Roavin wrote:I pretty much agree with Glen's analysis here, with one addendum: I think the preference for "userite" over "entryist" isn't necessarily because the former is a NS-specific term, but rather because "userite" is much better to propagandize with than the boring, bland "entryist".
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by Roavin » Sun Apr 15, 2018 2:46 pm
Unibot III wrote:Roavin wrote:I pretty much agree with Glen's analysis here, with one addendum: I think the preference for "userite" over "entryist" isn't necessarily because the former is a NS-specific term, but rather because "userite" is much better to propagandize with than the boring, bland "entryist".
'Entryist' is a neutral term in my mind, 'userite' is loaded with propaganda.
by Solorni » Sun Apr 15, 2018 2:51 pm
Roavin wrote:Unibot III wrote:
'Entryist' is a neutral term in my mind, 'userite' is loaded with propaganda.
Pretty much. And I argue part of the reason "userite" is so loaded with propaganda is precisely because it is so good at being used for that purpose. That's not always a bad thing! This is a game of politics afterall, and much of politics is rhetoric.
by Roavin » Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:53 pm
Solorni wrote:Roavin wrote:
Pretty much. And I argue part of the reason "userite" is so loaded with propaganda is precisely because it is so good at being used for that purpose. That's not always a bad thing! This is a game of politics afterall, and much of politics is rhetoric.
Wait, I thought you hated Sophists...
Roavin wrote:Yes, it's propaganda. No, it's not all sophistry.
by Unibot III » Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:55 pm
Roavin wrote:Unibot III wrote:
'Entryist' is a neutral term in my mind, 'userite' is loaded with propaganda.
Pretty much. And I argue part of the reason "userite" is so loaded with propaganda is precisely because it is so good at being used for that purpose. That's not always a bad thing! This is a game of politics afterall, and much of politics is rhetoric.
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by Roavin » Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:15 am
Unibot III wrote:I think you'll find propaganda is a bad thing if it's ever used against you or your friends to justify booting you from your own region.
Unibot III wrote:You're a defender in the South Pacific. You're the reason why they have the word, "userite."
by RiderSyl » Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:21 am
by Unibot III » Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:16 am
Roavin wrote:Comparing 2018 Roavin to 2004-2005 era ADNers is highly silly.
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by Marilyn Manson Freaks » Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:12 am
by Devi Vytherin » Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:26 am
Marilyn Manson Freaks wrote:Oh no, I know a dirty word!
But seriously, I believe that userite is an outdated, overused, and just a plain ignorant term.
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