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Capitalism is too weak
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Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:53 amby The Scarlet Chorus
In NationStates I have been running a capitalist paradise as to fit my own personal views however in almost everyway possible it is worse then the very common socialist/egalitarian societies which have perfect economies and environments thanks to industries like basketweaving and agriculture. While this seems to only effect challenge mode which is a minute part of this grand political game i do think it is a little disatisfying knowing everyone else has stronger economies AND Niagra Falls in their citizens gardens.
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Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:59 pmby The Proletarian Republic
Comrade, capitalism can not enslave your people any longer! Join the revolution!
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Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:43 pmby Democratic Exodian Territories
1- Pretty sure this belongs in Gameplay. Personally, I think your nation's doing very well.
2- Barry said that he always had a bit of political bias mixed into the game. This is an example.
3- Commies will find every outlet possible to spread their propaganda. The real revolution starts with me and you, not those glorified collectivist imperialists.
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Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:40 amby The Proletarian Republic
Democratic Exodian Territories wrote:1- Pretty sure this belongs in Gameplay. Personally, I think your nation's doing very well.
2- Barry said that he always had a bit of political bias mixed into the game. This is an example.
3- Commies will find every outlet possible to spread their propaganda. The real revolution starts with me and you, not those glorified collectivist imperialists.
You are the imperialists. You are the collectivists. You are the ones who force humanity into class systems. Communism is true liberty and individuality.
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Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:48 amby Funkadelia
The Scarlet Chorus wrote:In NationStates I have been running a capitalist paradise as to fit my own personal views however in almost everyway possible it is worse then the very common socialist/egalitarian societies which have perfect economies and environments thanks to industries like basketweaving and agriculture. While this seems to only effect challenge mode which is a minute part of this grand political game i do think it is a little disatisfying knowing everyone else has stronger economies AND Niagra Falls in their citizens gardens.
For several years I answered issues in the most "free market" way possible, and I had max civil rights, political rights, and economy. It is possible to do!
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Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:38 amby NotAtlantis
You can also be capitalist and have great environments. You just need to be careful about what issues you choose and when you choose them. I'm a capitalist country and i am in the top 10% in the world for enviornment
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Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:26 pmby Solorni
Let's bring back ACCEL!
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Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:28 pmby New Legland
The Proletarian Republic wrote:Democratic Exodian Territories wrote:1- Pretty sure this belongs in Gameplay. Personally, I think your nation's doing very well.
2- Barry said that he always had a bit of political bias mixed into the game. This is an example.
3- Commies will find every outlet possible to spread their propaganda. The real revolution starts with me and you, not those glorified collectivist imperialists.
You are the imperialists. You are the collectivists. You are the ones who force humanity into class systems. Communism is true liberty and individuality.
*cough* Castro *cough* Mao *cough*
*cough* Stalin *cough*
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Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:28 pmby Berhakonia
Go the Benevolent Dictatorship/Autocratic Capitalism route and your nation will soar
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Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:54 pmby The Proletarian Republic
New Legland wrote:The Proletarian Republic wrote:You are the imperialists. You are the collectivists. You are the ones who force humanity into class systems. Communism is true liberty and individuality.
*cough* Castro *cough* Mao *cough*
*cough* Stalin *cough*
Merely the mistakes of more class systems and capitalism.
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Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:57 pmby Berhakonia
The Proletarian Republic wrote:New Legland wrote:*cough* Castro *cough* Mao *cough*
*cough* Stalin *cough*
Merely the mistakes of more class systems and capitalism.
Have fun with your post-scarcity hippie LARP.
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:41 amby Indo-Malaysia
Socialism is the best.
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:53 amby Democratic Exodian Territories
The Proletarian Republic wrote:Democratic Exodian Territories wrote:1- Pretty sure this belongs in Gameplay. Personally, I think your nation's doing very well.
2- Barry said that he always had a bit of political bias mixed into the game. This is an example.
3- Commies will find every outlet possible to spread their propaganda. The real revolution starts with me and you, not those glorified collectivist imperialists.
You are the imperialists. You are the collectivists. You are the ones who force humanity into class systems. Communism is true liberty and individuality.
Ah, that’s where you get it wrong. Under capitalism, we aren’t forced to goose-step in line with the state’s every whim and command. The freedom of the market lets the common man be anything he wants, not anything the government forces him to.
I guess I should stray away from debates, we are in Gameplay, after all.
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:45 amby The Noble Thatcherites
If Reppy hasn’t said something already, this discussion is dipping into NSG material here, let’s get back to the OP and not into this eternal Communist/Capitalist/Fascist debate. Thank you.
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:52 amby Prussian Polish Commonwealth
The Scarlet Chorus wrote:In NationStates I have been running a capitalist paradise as to fit my own personal views however in almost everyway possible it is worse then the very common socialist/egalitarian societies which have perfect economies and environments thanks to industries like basketweaving and agriculture. While this seems to only effect challenge mode which is a minute part of this grand political game i do think it is a little disatisfying knowing everyone else has stronger economies AND Niagra Falls in their citizens gardens.
Go full out capitalist fascism, my old(DEATED) main had a Powerhouse economy and shit civil and political rights, and I didn't give a shit.
Or in other words:
In NS you can't be rich and have trees.
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:55 amby Imperial Esplanade
Prussian Polish Commonwealth wrote:The Scarlet Chorus wrote:In NationStates I have been running a capitalist paradise as to fit my own personal views however in almost everyway possible it is worse then the very common socialist/egalitarian societies which have perfect economies and environments thanks to industries like basketweaving and agriculture. While this seems to only effect challenge mode which is a minute part of this grand political game i do think it is a little disatisfying knowing everyone else has stronger economies AND Niagra Falls in their citizens gardens.
Go full out capitalist fascism, my old(DEATED) main had a Powerhouse economy and shit civil and political rights, and I didn't give a shit.
Or in other words:
In NS you can't be rich and have trees.
Silly boy, I have both a top-10% economy and a top-5% environment.
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:58 amby Prussian Polish Commonwealth
Imperial Esplanade wrote:Prussian Polish Commonwealth wrote:Go full out capitalist fascism, my old(DEATED) main had a Powerhouse economy and shit civil and political rights, and I didn't give a shit.
Or in other words:
In NS you can't be rich and have trees.
Silly boy, I have both a top-10% economy and a top-5% environment.
<insert lackluster comeback here>
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:58 amby Uinted Communist of Africa
So funny...when ever a capitalist doesn't have good stats he automatically thinks the game is rigged.
(it just so happens that this particular game actually is)
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:05 amby Democratic Exodian Territories
The Noble Thatcherites wrote:If Reppy hasn’t said something already, this discussion is dipping into NSG material here, let’s get back to the OP and not into this eternal Communist/Capitalist/Fascist debate. Thank you.
Oh, shut up. We’re in math class now.
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:09 amby Democratic Exodian Territories
Uinted Communist of Africa wrote:So funny...when ever a capitalist doesn't have good stats he automatically thinks the game is rigged.
(it just so happens that this particular game actually is)
See? Even the commie acknowledges that it’s rigged.
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:19 amby Berhakonia
The secret to NS is just not giving a shit
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:25 amby Uinted Communist of Africa
Democratic Exodian Territories wrote:Uinted Communist of Africa wrote:So funny...when ever a capitalist doesn't have good stats he automatically thinks the game is rigged.
(it just so happens that this particular game actually is)
See? Even the commie acknowledges that it’s rigged.
Well it obvious how am I the top 5% in economy when i collectivized everything?
Communism isn't about making money yet I make an absurd amount every time and issue comes to collectivize.
I make more money than a lot of the Capitalist countries on NS....that's proof its rigged.
Barry did say he was left leaning....If im remembering right.
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:58 amby Shazbotdom
Ones nation can be capitalist and still have freedoms.
My nation has high freedoms in all three categories, and my economy is 94.8% private industry, 4.9% Government and 0.3% Black Market.
One does not have to tank their freedoms to be capitalist.
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:44 amby Aclion
Shazbotdom wrote:Ones nation can be capitalist and still have freedoms.
My brain has high freedoms in all the categories, and my economy is 94.8% private industry, 4.9% Government and 0.3% Black Market.
One does not have to tank their freedoms to be capitalist.
Your brain?
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Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:48 amby Cozcatla
This fairly accurately represents reality, though. I presume that you mean a regulated-but-privatized economy when you talk about "socialism", in which case, yes, there are ways to effectively improve an economy's health through the state apparatus. This isn't even touching on libertarian market socialism or a true planned economy (both of which still do better than wild-west capitalism - see America in the late 19th century for an example of the misery of capital, and compare it to the USSR, which became a world superpower within three decades of using a planned economy when it was in perpetual famine prior to that).
Maybe if you let your nation's workers own their own labor value, then they might produce and consume more?