The Enadian Herald

[Latrovia]

That's not how regional threads work, whatsoever

Thats how maybe your regional thread works. But not ours. Our House our rules

[Blood Wine]

That's not how regional threads work, whatsoever

Thats how maybe your regional thread works. But not ours. Our House our rules

:facepalm:
no, no it doesn't

Oh did you want proof? well here ya go
(Image)
(in response to being confronted with evidence of CoIS advocating murdering LGBTQ+ people)

Aha. And that makes me homophobic, how exactly?

Saying it's okay for people to consider LGBTQ+ people as subhuman and kill them is pretty fucking homophobic

[Greater vakolicci haven]

That's not how regional threads work, whatsoever

Thats how maybe your regional thread works. But not ours. Our House our rules

Harry...gameplay doesn't have thread ownership.

[The Greatest Bestest Nation]

That's not how regional threads work, whatsoever

Thats how maybe your regional thread works. But not ours. Our House our rules

There is no regional ownership in Gameplay.

Your recruitment policy didn't even change. That's the same recruitment policy you've always had.

Hello, that is not quite right. We have added restrictions to our recruitment. Meaning that we can follow diplomatic means and exclude your regions, even without the need to open embassies or consulates.

So instead of getting out of the recruitment through diplomatic means, you can now also get out of it through diplomatic means.

Why are you asking people to inform you that they don't want to be recruited from, anyway? Nobody wants to be recruited from, so just stop recruiting it your concerned about that.

[United Republic Empire]

Thats how maybe your regional thread works. But not ours. Our House our rules

There is no regional ownership in Gameplay.

Hello, that is not quite right. We have added restrictions to our recruitment. Meaning that we can follow diplomatic means and exclude your regions, even without the need to open embassies or consulates.

So instead of getting out of the recruitment through diplomatic means, you can now also get out of it through diplomatic means.

Why are you asking people to inform you that they don't want to be recruited from, anyway? Nobody wants to be recruited from, so just stop recruiting it your concerned about that.

At last - an on topic quote about the recruitment policy.

[Blood Wine]

There is no regional ownership in Gameplay.

So instead of getting out of the recruitment through diplomatic means, you can now also get out of it through diplomatic means.

Why are you asking people to inform you that they don't want to be recruited from, anyway? Nobody wants to be recruited from, so just stop recruiting it your concerned about that.

At last - an on topic quote about the recruitment policy.

Care to respond, or just gonna sprout nonsense about being on topic?

[United Republic Empire]

Thank You Greatest Bestest Nation for showing the professionalism that FNR is known for.

[Blood Wine]

So that's a no on a response?

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Thats how maybe your regional thread works. But not ours. Our House our rules

There is no regional ownership in Gameplay.

Hello, that is not quite right. We have added restrictions to our recruitment. Meaning that we can follow diplomatic means and exclude your regions, even without the need to open embassies or consulates.

So instead of getting out of the recruitment through diplomatic means, you can now also get out of it through diplomatic means.

Why are you asking people to inform you that they don't want to be recruited from, anyway? Nobody wants to be recruited from, so just stop recruiting it your concerned about that.

There are those regions which you can recruit from, and unless you don't spacificly target them, they don't really mind, they're used to it. I've listed them for your convenience below.

• the pacific
• the north pacific
• the east pacific
• the south pacific
• the west pacific
• Osiris
• Lazarus
• balder
• the rejected realms

[/list]

[Latrovia]

Saying it's okay for people to consider LGBTQ+ people as subhuman and kill them is pretty fucking homophobic

I never said that. I said that people have the right to dislike and say no to homosexuality. Just in the same way that homosexuals have the right to dislike straight people. You see the problem with identity politics is that you seem to ignore the fact that people have a certain amount of liberty. Liberty which is defined and moderated by law.

Regarding COIS, we all asked you to be patient while we were investigating the matter and you rudely demanded that we actually kicked them straight away out. Without first of all understanding whether they were simply quoting their religious book the Quran or also enforcing and standing by to the Quoted text.

You see I have family very close to me that are homosexuals, some of them support the LGBTQ+ community and some of them find the politics behind the movement atrocious. Regardless though, I love my family members regarding of their sexual orientation. I realize that it is very hard for a lot of members of this community to come out and I find very brave the ones who are not afraid to accept or admit who they are.

But your liberty and rights end where someone else's rights begin. Again I am not supporting COIS and I was the first that made a motion to ban COIS out after I found out that their Founder defended that specific quote from the Quran. But people, generally speaking, in their respective democratic communities, have the right to dislike anything that doesn't seem right to them.

Also if you think that I am homophobic, you may ask 90% of EU's population that are actually gay and the people that call us Gaynadia, if they think that I am homophobic. I personally don't consider myself homophobic, for the obvious fact that, one day when I become a father and my kid happens to turn out homosexual. I wouldn't want to be an obstacle in his/her life. I would want to stand by him/her and push her to reach the stars.

I think that this hatred of yours comes from somewhere deeper inside you. And trust me, my friend, its not healthy. This is just a friendly suggestion to you. Don't waste your life in this way.

[United Republic Empire]

[Latrovia]

Thats how maybe your regional thread works. But not ours. Our House our rules

There is no regional ownership in Gameplay.

Hello, that is not quite right. We have added restrictions to our recruitment. Meaning that we can follow diplomatic means and exclude your regions, even without the need to open embassies or consulates.

So instead of getting out of the recruitment through diplomatic means, you can now also get out of it through diplomatic means.

Why are you asking people to inform you that they don't want to be recruited from, anyway? Nobody wants to be recruited from, so just stop recruiting it your concerned about that.

Because we are spending money on the process. And we are utilizing our resources according to our budget.
Now I know that, that might not sound convincing, but to the people that provide money it is an issue.

Sometimes we recruit only new and refunded nations and we have to spend more money on the matter, sometimes 10-20 euros more than usual. And we end up getting puppets or inactive nations and sometimes in ridiculous numbers.
And sometimes we recruit WA nations and we end up, spending less for more. More active nations, more active recruits and more projects can run normally in the EU.

On the other matter, we dont do WA recruiting every month. And there have been months that we have done only new and refunded nations bc the WA recruiting of the previous months did not give the desired results. So its mostly relying to what NS has to offer in terms of numbers and nations.

[Blood Wine]

I never said that. I said that people have the right to dislike and say no to homosexuality. Just in the same way that homosexuals have the right to dislike straight people. You see the problem with identity politics is that you seem to ignore the fact that people have a certain amount of liberty. Liberty which is defined and moderated by law.

Still homophobic af, read the dictionairy

You see I have family very close to me that are homosexuals, some of them support the LGBTQ+ community and some of them find the politics behind the movement atrocious. Regardless though, I love my family members regarding of their sexual orientation. I realize that it is very hard for a lot of members of this community to come out and I find very brave the ones who are not afraid to accept or admit who they are.

You're the only one that's politicizing the existence of LGBTQ+ people by allowing such bahavior as displayed in CoIS

But your liberty and rights end where someone else's rights begin. Again I am not supporting COIS and I was the first that made a motion to ban COIS out after I found out that their Founder defended that specific quote from the Quran. But people, generally speaking, in their respective democratic communities, have the right to dislike anything that doesn't seem right to them.

Also if you think that I am homophobic, you may ask 90% of EU's population that are actually gay and the people that call us Gaynadia, if they think that I am homophobic. I personally don't consider myself homophobic, for the obvious fact that, one day when I become a father and my kid happens to turn out homosexual. I wouldn't want to be an obstacle in his/her life. I would want to stand by him/her and push her to reach the stars.

yeah no way that's even remotely true

[Kuriko]

There is no regional ownership in Gameplay.

So instead of getting out of the recruitment through diplomatic means, you can now also get out of it through diplomatic means.

Why are you asking people to inform you that they don't want to be recruited from, anyway? Nobody wants to be recruited from, so just stop recruiting it your concerned about that.

Because we are spending money on the process. And we are utilizing our resources according to our budget.
Now I know that, that might not sound convincing, but to the people that provide money it is an issue.

Sometimes we recruit only new and refunded nations and we have to spend more money on the matter, sometimes 10-20 euros more than usual. And we end up getting puppets or inactive nations and sometimes in ridiculous numbers.
And sometimes we recruit WA nations and we end up, spending less for more. More active nations, more active recruits and more projects can run normally in the EU.

On the other matter, we dont do WA recruiting every month. And there have been months that we have done only new and refunded nations bc the WA recruiting of the previous months did not give the desired results. So its mostly relying to what NS has to offer in terms of numbers and nations.

Welcome to the life of every other UCR, we spend a shit load of money too to recruit new nations. But unlike you, 99% of the UCRs in this game actually adhere to regional sovereignty and don't recruit from other established UCRs.

[Latrovia]

I never said that. I said that people have the right to dislike and say no to homosexuality. Just in the same way that homosexuals have the right to dislike straight people. You see the problem with identity politics is that you seem to ignore the fact that people have a certain amount of liberty. Liberty which is defined and moderated by law.

Still homophobic af, read the dictionary

Yeah its not like I am Greek and Homophobia is not a Greek word.

[Blood Wine]

An English dictionary ofcourse :/

[Greater vakolicci haven]

There is no regional ownership in Gameplay.

So instead of getting out of the recruitment through diplomatic means, you can now also get out of it through diplomatic means.

Why are you asking people to inform you that they don't want to be recruited from, anyway? Nobody wants to be recruited from, so just stop recruiting it your concerned about that.

Because we are spending money on the process. And we are utilizing our resources according to our budget.
Now I know that, that might not sound convincing, but to the people that provide money it is an issue.

Sometimes we recruit only new and refunded nations and we have to spend more money on the matter, sometimes 10-20 euros more than usual. And we end up getting puppets or inactive nations and sometimes in ridiculous numbers.
And sometimes we recruit WA nations and we end up, spending less for more. More active nations, more active recruits and more projects can run normally in the EU.

On the other matter, we dont do WA recruiting every month. And there have been months that we have done only new and refunded nations bc the WA recruiting of the previous months did not give the desired results. So its mostly relying to what NS has to offer in terms of numbers and nations.

Please could you answer the following questions:
1. Who provided a lot of the recruitment money?
2. Who kept telling you to stop recruiting from UCRS?

[United Republic Empire]

Do you even know what your talking about Blood Wine

The American Heritage Dictionary (1992 edition) defines homophobia as "aversion to gay or homosexual people or their lifestyle or culture" and "behavior or an act based on this aversion." Other definitions identify homophobia as an irrational fear of homosexuality.

Aversion means -someone or something that arouses strong feelings of dislike. ( in case you were unaware )

I guess wanting to get someone's side of the story and innocent until proven guilty makes everyone in a court of law, a homophobic person. wow

I wonder if I could argue that case in court and win against the Judge - but he must be homophobic too for not immediately taking my side even tho
I yell and complain louder than the rest. hmm....

[Blood Wine]

Sorry, did you just quote a 1992 dictionary on something regarding LGBTQ+?

[Latrovia]

Because we are spending money on the process. And we are utilizing our resources according to our budget.
Now I know that, that might not sound convincing, but to the people that provide money it is an issue.

Sometimes we recruit only new and refunded nations and we have to spend more money on the matter, sometimes 10-20 euros more than usual. And we end up getting puppets or inactive nations and sometimes in ridiculous numbers.
And sometimes we recruit WA nations and we end up, spending less for more. More active nations, more active recruits and more projects can run normally in the EU.

On the other matter, we dont do WA recruiting every month. And there have been months that we have done only new and refunded nations bc the WA recruiting of the previous months did not give the desired results. So its mostly relying to what NS has to offer in terms of numbers and nations.

Welcome to the life of every other UCR, we spend a shit load of money too to recruit new nations. But unlike you, 99% of the UCRs in this game actually adhere to regional sovereignty and don't recruit from other established UCRs.

When you claim that you are sovereign, that means that you've also established a state of law "Kratos" and when you channel that democracy through your people, that means that you have established an assembly of people called "Deimos. The EU never infringed upon anyone's sovereignty, because we never targeted your Sovereignty or State of Rule in the first place. We targeted the WA, which is an Interregional Body of Law. And the people that receive that recruitment for example, are not your property, you have no rule on them.

Now regarding the fact that you spend money. While that is highly respected and understood, it falls under you how you wish to manage your budget and the money you spend. If you spend them wrong, you're going to basically end up with nothing. If you spend them right, you're going to end up with something.

Additionally this is a game of politics right? And there is always a competition around here and cooperation. And you have already established a Kratos and a Deimos. And we are offering you the chance to actually utilize your bodies of law and follow protocols, which if you defy, you also defy and infringe upon EU's liberty and sovereignty. So to me this sounds as a conflict of interest here. It's a ridiculous demand by the people that wish to throw shade over the EU and affect our Foreign Affairs missions worldwide to also demand us to ignore our regional objectives and simply do them a favor and not recruit from the WA.

If you hate the method, don't hate the region. Hate the people that allowed it in the first place. NS needs to make money and we wish to spend our money for profit. If you don't like that, you are more than welcome to send your feedback to NS. We're just doing what we have to do to keep our region and objectives alive.

[Latrovia]

Because we are spending money on the process. And we are utilizing our resources according to our budget.
Now I know that, that might not sound convincing, but to the people that provide money it is an issue.

Sometimes we recruit only new and refunded nations and we have to spend more money on the matter, sometimes 10-20 euros more than usual. And we end up getting puppets or inactive nations and sometimes in ridiculous numbers.
And sometimes we recruit WA nations and we end up, spending less for more. More active nations, more active recruits and more projects can run normally in the EU.

On the other matter, we dont do WA recruiting every month. And there have been months that we have done only new and refunded nations bc the WA recruiting of the previous months did not give the desired results. So its mostly relying to what NS has to offer in terms of numbers and nations.

Please could you answer the following questions:
1. Who provided a lot of the recruitment money?
2. Who kept telling you to stop recruiting from UCRS?

1. URE
2. Definitely not you.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Please could you answer the following questions:
1. Who provided a lot of the recruitment money?
2. Who kept telling you to stop recruiting from UCRS?

1. URE
2. Definitely not you.

1.I have made more than 10 purchases to nationStates since joining Enadia, and I haven't recruited for anybody else in that time, in fact I've refused.
2. No. I'm not going back through years of old logs (even if I still had access to them) to find the numerous occasions I've told you that we shouldn't be doing this. Not only is it a move which hurts other regions we have no grievence with, it actively harms our foreign affairs.

[Latrovia]

1. URE
2. Definitely not you.

1.I have made more than 10 purchases to nationStates since joining Enadia, and I haven't recruited for anybody else in that time, in fact I've refused.
2. No. I'm not going back through years of old logs (even if I still had access to them) to find the numerous occasions I've told you that we shouldn't be doing this. Not only is it a move which hurts other regions we have no grievence with, it actively harms our foreign affairs.

Again. This is a decision not made by simply me. Its a decision we do based on the results we get a month before. We analyze the data and select the way we recruit for the next month. OK?
Having that made clear. We do politics here. If we were recruiting actively every month from the WA and also refuse to exclude regions from our recruitment process, then yes, I would agree that we actually harm them on purpose.
But since we are offering people a chance out of this, this is a clear example that we care about it.

When Thaecia and then Sonindia as the most recent examples recruited from the WA, just a month ago, nobody said anything about it. And they sure as heck did not offer a way out. Enadia is not Sonindia or Thaecia, we offered a way out before and now we added more ways out. Obviously we are and we want to work things out. In a proper way. Not by accepting threats or death notes!

[United Republic Empire]

Sorry, did you just quote a 1992 dictionary on something regarding LGBTQ+?

I'm sorry does this nationally recognized dictionary not fit your agenda and propaganda

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/homophobia

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/homophobia

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/homophobia

Let me know if any of these work out for you then.

Edit : fixed broken url link

[Latrovia]

Sorry, did you just quote a 1992 dictionary on something regarding LGBTQ+?

I'm sorry does this nationally recognized dictionary not fit your agenda and propaganda

[url]https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/homophobia
[/url]

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/homophobia

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/homophobia

Let me know if any of these work out for you then.

Y'know I am still Greek. I kinda happen to know what Phobia stands for regardless of what dictionary Bloodwine will request me to read.