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Yokiria
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Postby Yokiria » Tue Aug 04, 2020 12:00 am

So, what the ever-loving fuck is this?
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Postby Kuriko » Tue Aug 04, 2020 3:52 am

Yokiria wrote:So, what the ever-loving fuck is this?
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That, to me, looks like offering RL money for military service in NS. Which I believe is against site rules.
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Postby Honeydewistania » Tue Aug 04, 2020 3:55 am

Kuriko wrote:
Yokiria wrote:So, what the ever-loving fuck is this?
(Image)

That, to me, looks like offering RL money for military service in NS. Which I believe is against site rules.

Not a mod, but since it’s offsite payments, it’s legal. If it was stamps, or communicated onsite, I believe it would be illegal
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Postby Boda » Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:01 am

Yokiria wrote:So, what the ever-loving fuck is this?
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LOL. Enadia has a military now? I’m really curious how their tag (or detag if they’re defender) game is gonna go.
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Postby LollerLand » Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:27 am

Honeydewistania wrote:
Kuriko wrote:That, to me, looks like offering RL money for military service in NS. Which I believe is against site rules.

Not a mod, but since it’s offsite payments, it’s legal. If it was stamps, or communicated onsite, I believe it would be illegal

Taken from the One Stop Rules Shop:
Monetization/Gambling: It is against site rules to use money, a substitute thereof, or any good/service with equitable use (NS Store purchases, game keys or vouchers, e-giftcards, etc.) to incentivize or monetize any activity on NationStates, to include but not be limited to: joining or participating in a region, joining or participating in a thread, joining an alliance (roleplay or gameplay), etc. Similarly, it is against site rules to use the same as a "reward" for participation in any of the aforementioned or any "game," "contest," etc.
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Postby Kuriko » Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:03 am

My real question is, is if they've monetized their military service on NS what else have they monetized in their region? Are they paying their Site "Technicians" (really site staff)? If they are, does that actually make them employees? And if it does make them employees, does that make Enadia a company and therefore subject to the commercialization rule?
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Wymondham
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Postby Wymondham » Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:22 am

I assume one or y'all has already GHRed that screenshot?
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Postby Spode Humbled Minions » Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:29 am

DMoD. Pleb
Role color: blue(?) | specifically #49769f
Discord link: TCspUbr (nonfunctioning)
$5 for joining the server
36 members on server
Enadian Armed Forces is server name
Time is registered at 8:30 PM

Discrepancies
“EU citizen” is a purple role, not yellow.
No “top role” is the correct shade of blue (#49769f)
Nobody has the nickname “DMoD. Pleb” on the Enadia server

So this creates a multitude of questions
  • Who took the original picture? (obviously they may wish to conceal there identity if they fear retaliation, so this one's probably not getting answered)
  • Did Enadia switch around its role colors following this being taken, or was the picture taken on a different Enadia-controlled server?

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Wasn't too hard to cook up with some time, ingestion of questionable jam from the back of the refrigerator, and a pirated copy of MSpaint. Is it perfect? No. Does it demonstrate why posting a screenshot with no other context isn't particularly helpful? Hopefully.
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Postby Kuriko » Tue Aug 04, 2020 6:18 am

Spode Humbled Minions wrote:
DMoD. Pleb
Role color: blue(?) | specifically #49769f
Discord link: TCspUbr (nonfunctioning)
$5 for joining the server
36 members on server
Enadian Armed Forces is server name
Time is registered at 8:30 PM

Discrepancies
“EU citizen” is a purple role, not yellow.
No “top role” is the correct shade of blue (#49769f)
Nobody has the nickname “DMoD. Pleb” on the Enadia server

So this creates a multitude of questions
  • Who took the original picture? (obviously they may wish to conceal there identity if they fear retaliation, so this one's probably not getting answered)
  • Did Enadia switch around its role colors following this being taken, or was the picture taken on a different Enadia-controlled server?

Edit-
(Image)
Wasn't too hard to cook up with some time, ingestion of questionable jam from the back of the refrigerator, and a pirated copy of MSpaint. Is it perfect? No. Does it demonstrate why posting a screenshot with no other context isn't particularly helpful? Hopefully.

As far as I'm aware, Enadia hasn't had a military since the days of SWORD. That was back in late 2017/early 2018 I believe so it's possible it was taken back then. Either way, it's monetizing a part of NS.
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Postby Honeydewistania » Tue Aug 04, 2020 6:22 am

LollerLand wrote:
Honeydewistania wrote:Not a mod, but since it’s offsite payments, it’s legal. If it was stamps, or communicated onsite, I believe it would be illegal

Taken from the One Stop Rules Shop:
Monetization/Gambling: It is against site rules to use money, a substitute thereof, or any good/service with equitable use (NS Store purchases, game keys or vouchers, e-giftcards, etc.) to incentivize or monetize any activity on NationStates, to include but not be limited to: joining or participating in a region, joining or participating in a thread, joining an alliance (roleplay or gameplay), etc. Similarly, it is against site rules to use the same as a "reward" for participation in any of the aforementioned or any "game," "contest," etc.

I see, my bad
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Postby Mofritoi » Tue Aug 04, 2020 6:41 am

Just saying I'm in Enadia, and one, there hasn't been any military announcements, two, that post doesn't exist and three, that isn't even the right color of the role that they tagged.

So I'm just assuming someone is deliberately trying to stir the pot and make Enadia look bad for something they didn't do.

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Spode Humbled Minions
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Postby Spode Humbled Minions » Tue Aug 04, 2020 6:59 am

Mofritoi wrote:Just saying I'm in Enadia, and one, there hasn't been any military announcements, two, that post doesn't exist and three, that isn't even the right color of the role that they tagged.

So I'm just assuming someone is deliberately trying to stir the pot and make Enadia look bad for something they didn't do.


I mean, if Kuriko remembers his dates right, this would've been from around 2 years ago, so unless you've been in Enadia for longer than your account suggests, you wouldn't have been around to see it.

Still, no-context screenshot remains no-context screenshot.
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Postby God-King Rorschach » Tue Aug 04, 2020 7:07 am

We dont offer to any of our users money to join our military or stay in the region. They stay (I hope) willingly because they like the region. Also we do not have at the moment an army.
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Kuriko
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Postby Kuriko » Tue Aug 04, 2020 9:03 am

Spode Humbled Minions wrote:
Mofritoi wrote:Just saying I'm in Enadia, and one, there hasn't been any military announcements, two, that post doesn't exist and three, that isn't even the right color of the role that they tagged.

So I'm just assuming someone is deliberately trying to stir the pot and make Enadia look bad for something they didn't do.


I mean, if Kuriko remembers his dates right, this would've been from around 2 years ago, so unless you've been in Enadia for longer than your account suggests, you wouldn't have been around to see it.

Still, no-context screenshot remains no-context screenshot.

*her dates, and I do. AIR/SWORD was around early 2018 looking through this thread, roughly March 2018. Also looking through this thread the military was named the Enadia United Forces or something like that, not the Armed Forces. So discrepancies, and no context. I'll need more before even I believe the screenshot.
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Postby Spode Humbled Minions » Tue Aug 04, 2020 9:08 am

Kuriko wrote:
Spode Humbled Minions wrote:
I mean, if Kuriko remembers his dates right, this would've been from around 2 years ago, so unless you've been in Enadia for longer than your account suggests, you wouldn't have been around to see it.

Still, no-context screenshot remains no-context screenshot.

*her dates, and I do. AIR/SWORD was around early 2018 looking through this thread, roughly March 2018. Also looking through this thread the military was named the Enadia United Forces or something like that, not the Armed Forces. So discrepancies, and no context. I'll need more before even I believe the screenshot.

Oh, sorry for misgendering you- I'll be sure to get that right in the future.

It looks like an edited image all things considered, but maybe more evidence will be provided by Yokiria. I dunno.
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Yokiria
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Postby Yokiria » Tue Aug 04, 2020 9:54 am

The source of that screenshot was simply sending me screenshots from Enadia that they found funny. For example, here's an entirely noncontroversial screenshot that was posted because the source thought the belt bits were funny:
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They also thought the idea of any region paying people to join an army was funny, and therefore posted the other screenshot. I did not find it so funny.

I'll work to get more exact details from the source when they're available today. As I commit to that...
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Postby CoraSpia » Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:55 am

Hi all,

So as I've said, I only defend Enadia when it's actually in the right these days, on a historical basis.
To the best of my knowledge, Enadia has never offered financial insentive to join the military, unless they have a new military since I left (if they do it was small.) We had a military sign-up section on the forum like any other region. I don't know what this screenshot is talking about; it's either someone trying to stir the pot who made the screenshot or they're quoting someone who was trying to stir the pot.
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Postby The Notorious Mad Jack » Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:11 am

Yokiria wrote:I'll work to get more exact details from the source when they're available today.

Any further details?
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Yokiria
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Postby Yokiria » Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:09 pm

The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:
Yokiria wrote:I'll work to get more exact details from the source when they're available today.

Any further details?

Took me another day, but here's further details:

The source of the screenshot is The United Vex Imperium, a deputy in Hartfelden, updater in LILY, and former member of the North Pacific Army.

UVI has told me, regarding the authenticity of the screenshot, that they "can assure it was not fake, perhaps it was made in jest but I distinctly remember being disappointed that I was apart of the NPA and thus could not join another org, and that even if I wanted to I lacked a paypal account to receive such money", and that the screenshot was taken on June 30th, 2018 on mobile. He doesn't know when the post in the screenshot was made, however.

Also, UVI strikes me personally as someone who would not fake a screenshot due to the effort involved, nor care about Enadia enough to try to harm them.
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Postby The Notorious Mad Jack » Wed Aug 05, 2020 1:32 pm

Yokiria wrote:
The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:Any further details?

Took me another day, but here's further details:

The source of the screenshot is The United Vex Imperium, a deputy in Hartfelden, updater in LILY, and former member of the North Pacific Army.

UVI has told me, regarding the authenticity of the screenshot, that they "can assure it was not fake, perhaps it was made in jest but I distinctly remember being disappointed that I was apart of the NPA and thus could not join another org, and that even if I wanted to I lacked a paypal account to receive such money", and that the screenshot was taken on June 30th, 2018 on mobile. He doesn't know when the post in the screenshot was made, however.

Also, UVI strikes me personally as someone who would not fake a screenshot due to the effort involved, nor care about Enadia enough to try to harm them.

So basically, we still don't know if it's real, we have several past and present Enadians saying it isn't real, there is no evidence on the Enadian server that it is real and even if it was real, it happened, at a minimum, over two years ago?
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Postby CoraSpia » Wed Aug 05, 2020 1:42 pm

The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:
Yokiria wrote:Took me another day, but here's further details:

The source of the screenshot is The United Vex Imperium, a deputy in Hartfelden, updater in LILY, and former member of the North Pacific Army.

UVI has told me, regarding the authenticity of the screenshot, that they "can assure it was not fake, perhaps it was made in jest but I distinctly remember being disappointed that I was apart of the NPA and thus could not join another org, and that even if I wanted to I lacked a paypal account to receive such money", and that the screenshot was taken on June 30th, 2018 on mobile. He doesn't know when the post in the screenshot was made, however.

Also, UVI strikes me personally as someone who would not fake a screenshot due to the effort involved, nor care about Enadia enough to try to harm them.

So basically, we still don't know if it's real, we have several past and present Enadians saying it isn't real, there is no evidence on the Enadian server that it is real and even if it was real, it happened, at a minimum, over two years ago?

So it's either fake news, old news or not news
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Postby Yokiria » Wed Aug 05, 2020 1:51 pm

I'm not going to engage with anyone that argues that it happening 2+ years ago is an invalidating factor, because IMO anyone that argues that is not engaging in good faith.
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Postby The Notorious Mad Jack » Wed Aug 05, 2020 2:22 pm

Yes yes anything to not engage with the overwhelming lack of evidence. Good faith indeed. :lol:
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Postby Yokiria » Wed Aug 05, 2020 3:12 pm

The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:Yes yes anything to not engage with the overwhelming lack of evidence. Good faith indeed. :lol:

Based on our past interactions, I'm fairly certain you're only disagreeing so starkly because you're seeking to feed on the conflict you'll create by doing so, but I will pretend you're engaging in good faith and ask you... what evidence are you looking for?
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Postby CoraSpia » Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:55 am

Yokiria wrote:
The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:Yes yes anything to not engage with the overwhelming lack of evidence. Good faith indeed. :lol:

Based on our past interactions, I'm fairly certain you're only disagreeing so starkly because you're seeking to feed on the conflict you'll create by doing so, but I will pretend you're engaging in good faith and ask you... what evidence are you looking for?

Possibly...any?
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